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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/306195-dnc-charter-requires-chairman-be-full-time

Suddenly, people getting very serious about the rule that DNC Chair has to be full time.

I like that Shills for hill. Still got too many in uspol.

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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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So all they can do is pretend to do a striptease at a rally. That's pretty much makes them about as dumb as Chris Pontus.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Bass Bottles posted:

There's edgy humor (good in the right context) and the stuff his actually racist friend is doing, which is not cool or good.

His humor seems about as funny as Crowder.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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loquacius posted:

The idea that we should pay illegal immigrants the same as anyone else is such a basic one that I distinctly remember Maddox, the "Alphabet of Manliness" MRA guy, arguing for it like 15 years ago when I was enough of a dumb teen to read his website

There isn't an argument against it other than "I don't like the idea of immigrants being given money". It removes the incentive to hire them over citizens and it means that the ones who do get hired get a better standard of living. I absolutely agree we should crack down on businesses rather than immigrants, and be extra harsh on the ones paying less than minimum wage.

We could also make hiring illegals alot more costly for businesses.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

iospace posted:

Republicans won't. It'll impact business too much and get their big money backers all riled up because they rely on illegals for cheap as gently caress labor.

Than make it a wedge issue.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Guy Goodbody posted:

There is a pervasive and subtle liberal racism. But it mainly takes the form of downplaying conservative minorities, calling Ben Carson a token or saying somebody would only be a Republican because of internalized racism/misogyny/homophobia/etc.

Not that thing Radbot said

There is also a bigotry against poor whites. The third way liberals very much believe that to fight for both social issues and economic issues is impossible. Because poor whites are racist troglydites who want to lynch blacks and burn gays.It is this thought process that leads to workers issues being ignored.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Pollyanna posted:

the dems don't actually wanna do any grassroots outreach, do they? they don't give any sort of poo poo about their constituency, do they? they put sanders in a "sit-here-so-they'll-shut-up" position so they could look good while continuing to push their neoliberal bullshit and hope that the people are hoodwinked into thinking change is coming.

we are so hosed.
Well then show up to meetings and take over.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Pollyanna posted:

i'm...i'm bad at leading. and speaking. i doubt i would accomplish anything rather than either be cowed into silence, or speak up in anger and get kicked out. i feel powerless on my own.

I bet you just need to try. Also try watching Huey long videos.



Serf posted:

I think the answer is to get out, volunteer, and maybe run for a local position. If your state is mostly red, then you can run as the opposition and say whatever you want basically. I mean we just elected Trump, so its not like people care about facts or manners. If nothing else, show that we're not going down without a fight.

We are taking over and moving the country forward. I say we should build our foundation on the bones of the neolibs who try to keep control of the Dems.


Gay Uncle Tom is a uncle Rohm

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:

I suggest you look into being a millionaire, I think that worked for some other people.

Just storm in.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

guillotine party

I think that is too extreme we can let them prove themselves.

Gulag party.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Iron Twinkie posted:

Pretty much.

I have to admit, part of me takes satisfaction in the idea that if socialists manage to take over the Democratic party from the inside these self-indulgent types will flee to the Republicans so fast it will break the sound barrier when some technological nick knack costs $15 more because the people making it are paid a living wage and their local high school has a black prom king because every school in the country has been desegregated.

They don't care that he's black so much, its the fact he's poor that scares them. How dare their children be exposed to the fact this nation is unequal.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Venom Snake posted:

The coasts aren't going back to the GOP anytime soon trust me. Bernie's message is popular with educated people to. This fatalism that you can't have a big tent party is insane.

I would agree with this for the most part. But I could definitely see some of the more "liberal as a lifestyle" types go GOP. As their support for the left only comes down to wanting to appear trendy.

Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 18:05 on Nov 18, 2016

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Clipperton posted:

"Climate change means refugees"

This works.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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MrCussMustard posted:

I understand that this is a joke, but the fact is that the republicans lost even harder than the democrats did, even if the "republican" won. We need to take this election as a repudiation of the status quo on the left, not an overall endorsement of the bile that Trump spewed. How many on our side had to eat poo poo with a knife and fork to avoid irrelevance?



Hillary.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Darkman Fanpage posted:

lmao if you think the flag of the traitorous secessionists shouldn't be torn down

My Ancestor took part in burning Georgia to go against that flag.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

(there are a disproportionate number of minorities in the working class, y'all.

Hell, I'm a shitkicking hillbilly from a part of Appalachia that uses placenames like "lonesome valley," "widder's holler," "haint's coffin," and "gently caress your warrant" and even I coulda told you that)

But I as a liberal know that you are a racist troglodyte who wants to lynch blacks and burn gays. ( I don't actually believe that just making fun of the thought of regulars in uspol.)

Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 16:55 on Nov 19, 2016

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Neoliberals are the enemies.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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comingafteryouall posted:

Sure, but I'd rather not continue to give government money to private companies and letting them install more toll roads to "balance our budget", which really just means squeezing more money from the poor.




Nationalize all toll roads.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Powercrazy posted:

Make privatized infrastructure illegal on the federal level. Destroy Public/private partnerships and prosecute the sitting boards for corruption.

Send them to reeducation centers in the aleutians.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Privatised reeducation centers to keep costs down.

Well I'm fine running them like a corporation. So if they don't turn a profit they don't get fed.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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euphronius posted:

Trucks should be paying all the tolls anyway as they cause 100% of road damage.

Mobil homes as well.

Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 19:56 on Nov 19, 2016

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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My Linux Rig posted:

I used to think it was the opposite: liberals were concerned about economic policies and progressive were like vegans and poo poo

Couldn't have been more wrong on that

Liberals are concerned about economics, by privatizing everything.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Phobophilia posted:

its okay to blame the general billionaire class even if there is the occasional Good One who pays their loving taxes and doesnt use their money to erode worker's rights

Its like this. I am sure there were perfectly fine nobles when feudalism existed in France pre 1789 It doesn't mean I don't think France needed to get rid of that vile institution.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Fulchrum posted:

Maybe you should have searched for a better example than the rein of terror.

The great leveling was a wonderful event for France.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:

The reign of terror was a good thing.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

I would have settled for imprisonment
In a labor camp.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Tatum Girlparts posted:

it's powercrazy, so, yes?

Also as important as Bernie's ideas are if 'the future of the democratic party' is an elderly white man we're just as hosed as when it was an elderly white woman

He is the future in the same sense that Goldwater was the future in 68. His ideas not himself are the future.

@TyrantWD

:getout: You lost, you wrecked the party.


Also voter suppression actually can be a great way to turn out the targeted. If they then engage in outright supression tactics, ALA jim crow then that will trigger unrest.

Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 21:12 on Nov 21, 2016

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

anime was right posted:

"It is not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me.' That is not good enough," the Vermont senator said over the weekend according to Boston’s WBUR. "What we need is a woman who has the guts to stand up to Wall Street, to the insurance companies, to the drug companies, to the fossil fuel industries."

So good to see Bernie offering a real future.


Tatum Girlparts posted:

this is a hell of a gamble to play with people's basic human dignity.

Well if they are really as evil as you say then they'll pass it. Its why I support the second.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Serf posted:

I feel like a lot of this narrative of "economic justice at the expense of social justice" is mostly fake bullshit meant to keep us at each other's throats. There' no reason why you can't push for economic change that will appeal to white voters while at the same time advocating for robust social reforms to benefit the marginalized. In fact, I'd say that social justice is predicated upon economic justice. What's the point of having rights if you have no support structures or money to exercise those rights?

That is exactly what it is. Its the neoliberal smokescreen.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Phobophilia posted:

peter thiel is going to die of a previously undiscovered blood-borne infection lmao

No he'll die when someone cuts off his ring on his finger and throws it into mount doom.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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MysteriousStranger posted:

Economic justice and social justice aren't compatible. You advance social justice by selling off the working class and middle class as fast as possible to corporations and then throwing in with upper class social liberals. And any attempts at economic justice will drive off those upper class social liberals and corporate partners and dilute the minority vote.

So choose, either gently caress the middle class and working class, or be a racist/sexist/homophobe.

Yeah, we are done with this neoliberal lie. It has existed to only divide the people.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Lemming posted:

Bullshit. If you improve peoples' lives and give them a reason to show up and vote, they will. You can do these things without hurting the middle class. This cowardly idea is just a smokescreen that lets people justify not making any effort whatsoever to do anything good for anybody.

You should see who is basically pushing this in USPOL. Except now its just that America is too racist.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Oxxidation posted:

You got run out of USPOL because you're a cognitively handicapped shithead who can't string together twenty words without loving up three of them. Trying to hopscotch around forums in hopes of finding an audience for your bullshit isn't working, pal.

Actually I still post there. Sorry you can't deal with that. I just love the idiots who only post. :qq: WE LOST BECAUSE AMERICA IS ALL RACIST:qq:. As well as suggest we cannot have racial, social and ecconomic justice. Its like maybe don't have the party run neolibs who gently caress over the working class and then expect them to vote for you. Of course it would not surprise me if some of them would be happy with people starving in the streets as long as the rainbow flag flew from goldman. But no it must be the working class that voted for Obama is really racist. Oh and how the hell is NC so gerrymandered even at the state level?

Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 00:01 on Nov 23, 2016

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Baloogan posted:

he was conscripted into a militia at age 15

hes a shithead but like, hes a shithead without needing to call him a war criminal for being forced to be a child soldier

:stare: offtopic but reading about that conflict I'm surprised that Lebanon isn't still a utter warzone.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Suckthemonkey posted:

This story makes me all the more excited about Ellison.

If Perez had half Obama's charisma I would want him for 2020.

punk rebel ecks posted:

I feel like he's going to be viewed in the future much like Bill Clinton is today. Hated by the right due to being a powerful Democrat. Hated by the left due centrism as well as arguably trying to choke Left leaning politics due to a stance of moderatism, and adored by center-left leaners as they "fought the good fight".

I suspect he will have a slightly better outlet for bailing out the Auto industry, as well as, with some prodding being pro gay.

Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 06:19 on Nov 23, 2016

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Good news, Peter "I wannabe a ring wraith" Thiel, will die just like the rest of us.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/22/13699108/blood-transfer-parabiosis-aging-youth-study-peter-thiel

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Serf posted:

Speaking as someone from a southern state, the sooner Democrats drop the gun control issue the better. I know way too many people who refused to vote for Clinton on the basis that "she wants to take our guns". Absolutely hated Trump and didn't vote for him, but also refused to vote for Democrats as well. Gun control is a losing issue for losers. There's a reason why the Blue Dog Democrats were able to hold on for as long as they did.

Also the fact that when we had gun laws that were stronger they seemed to be mostly used at those fighting for either social justice or economic justice.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Ace of Baes posted:

I'm probably risking sounding tinfoil hatish, but I would definitely not be surprised if there was/will be an active astroturfing campaign to try and discredit Sanders and economic populism using a false dichotomy of class vs _____ (race, gender, etc.). There's a lot of people invested in the DNC who don't want to see fair wages, real corporate tax reform etc.

I also noticed people who pit Sanders class-view as somehow unable to coexist with racial justice or de-prioritizing it never really offer their alternate solutions to addressing social issues.

Thas not tinfoilery its literally what neoliberals do. Just look at how they try to suggest Jeremy Corbyn is a nazi.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Atrocious Joe posted:

Promise Medicare for all and to bring a guillotine to Wall Street

It probably would work. Of course then promise to use the guillotine.

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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Al! posted:

imo the left has the dangerous tendency to paint their opponents as dangerously naive unsalvageables or puts them on a pedestal. on a basic level americans relate to each-other through work and family, the professional class needs to involve themselves more in that way, perhaps volunteering at a church, even attending services on occasion, but being clear about your political beliefs and what you want out of life. people appreciate service.

Do this, get involved in a service organization. Or a church and help people.

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