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Venom Snake posted:
Do you think Democrats want Bernie to have the reigns and would actually allow him to take them if he himself actually wanted to?
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Condiv posted:they better if they want to continue to exist Raskolnikov38 posted:who loving else is there? the clintons spent 30 years making the democrats their personal machine and it got trump elected My general perception is that the party politicians don't care for Bernie because they's affluent and comfortable capitalists and Bernie is A Threat to that lifestyle.
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Nov 10, 2016 01:44
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Also lets accept the fact that PPACA failed. Yeah PPACA does a bunch of awesome poo poo that needed to happen and it'll suck real bad when those things are gone, but it's core goal - to make healthcare more affordable - failed. High deductible plans with double digit premium increases are a failure for everyone except insurance companies. Actually the goal, as presented by a lot of folks here, was simply to up the number of people with insurance. That it remained unaffordable was irrelevant to them, because that number went up, and any negative experiences with it were to be not only ignored, but snidely derided and even questioned.
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Nov 10, 2016 03:08
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Venom Snake posted:Dude when Obamacare is gone a lot of people are going to die straight up. One of my closest friends is only alive today because of it. Do not poo poo talk it. That post is entirely within the context of what Not a Step essentially mentioned: the fight between Shills and Bernie folks in here over it, in which Bernie and his supporters were painted as heartless fucks who just wanted it gone, period. One of the exchanges that has always stuck with me was fishmech telling a dude whose wife actually ended up losing her insurance due to the ACA that not only did he not "give a poo poo" about the wife's "weird edge case" which had left her in constant pain (because more people have insurance, and that's all that matters), but that the poster was probably lying to begin with. That's loving horrible. How the gently caress does anyone who tries to identify as a progressive say something like that (besides "fishmech")? And yet it was said, and it was an attitude that was not limited just to him. All because Bernie ran with the ACA's issues as something in desperate need of fixing to make it a system that was good instead of simply having a few good things attached.
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Nov 10, 2016 03:35
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Yinlock posted:a lot of the bernie supporters were openly being accelerationist assholes after he lost, hence why they were known for wanting to tear everything down because they didn't get 100% of what they wanted immediately oh loving please. this was well before he lost
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Nov 10, 2016 03:40
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:This deserves to be quoted. I can think of very few left-wing icons that are less likable than Lena Dunham the fat exhibitionist pedophile, or Lady Gaga the... seriously jesus christ what the gently caress were they thinking. Lena Dunham's mental picture of New York City is one without black people lol
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Nov 10, 2016 04:26
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LmaoTheKid posted:It's about trustafarians in Williamsburg. It's kinda accurate. Oh I know, it's just completely representative of what a loving bubble she's lived her life in.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:35
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maybe hillary shouldnt have hired a guy named Mook
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Nov 10, 2016 05:03
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Oh Snapple! posted:maybe hillary shouldnt have hired a guy named Mook Blistering Takes on my part tonight, all night
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Nov 10, 2016 05:04
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Fiction posted:Bill was wrong about whether third wayism would work in the long run. This is basically all his fault if you really drill down on it. Oh Snapple! posted:In realtalk, just lol if you can't find some karmic justice in every single awful, poor-and-minority-loving thing that Bill and Hillary championed in the 90s coming back around to utterly annihilate their legacy. The American people don't deserve the further, seemingly unending consequences of their bullshit, but the Clintons absolutely do.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:30
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anime was right posted:why so many aides it takes a lot to make a stew
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Nov 10, 2016 05:33
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Venom Snake posted:No. I dealt with surrogates and talking points. Not super high level poo poo like "what do we make the campaign about". What I do 100% know is I got told at times that I shouldn't be worried about keeping the dem base excited VS I can't remember if we've interacted poorly in the past but you seem like you worked hard and I'm sorry that work was directed so incompetently.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:38
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:If you want a legit autopsy it's this: people wanted to break the system because they were frustrated that cost of living kept rising (including but not limited to healthcare costs) and wages were somewhere between stagnant and declining. No matter what happens that poo poo is not going to change in the next two years because the gop is fundamentally unable to enact the structural change required to stop it. Highlight this poo poo, run on it, and embrace it. Clinton is dead and gone, so take advantage of that poo poo instead of mourning it. I want to bold this because it is 100% right and the point of what many of us are saying when we talk about grabbing rural whites. People keep acting like we're talking about grabbing literally the entire demographic. We're not. We're talking about selling our policies effectively to grab enough share to make an actual difference in voting.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:44
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What if Bernie Sanders...was made of spare ribs??
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Nov 10, 2016 06:56
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Is my mental image of these aides who thought they knew more about campaigning than Bill Clinton as douchey, Silicon Valley dweebs who chug Soylent accurate?
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Nov 10, 2016 07:01
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anime was right posted:she literally couldn't wait until the election ended to give dws a cushy position somewhere. lol. my running assumption was that it was either take her in right there or get taken with her as she goes out in a blaze of vengeful, blackmail-fueled glory of course, their fate remained the same: they exploded.
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Nov 10, 2016 07:28
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Right on, but where is this condescention coming from? The media? MSNBC was big on it today
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Nov 10, 2016 07:32
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anime was right posted:is there an elitist libs look stupid thread because i could use some of that right now. i want to see the previously complacent suffer just a little. not a lot. i dont want to see anyone suffer, but... i dunno. they brought this. that bubble did it to themselves and to us. it's cool to watch elitist libs suffer because at the end of they day they're suffering with an expensive glass of wine in an apartment that costs more than most houses
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Nov 10, 2016 07:34
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Not a Step posted:Its partly the media, but mainly its the way city dwellers have always viewed the rural populations, with a seasoning of identity politics to make it extra spicy. this reminded me that last night we had a dude claiming to have escaped rural poverty and was outright blaming those who remain there for not bootstrapping their way out like he did lol
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Nov 10, 2016 07:36
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I'll posit that there is nothing more pathetic than a progressive saying that people stuck in poverty choose to be there
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Nov 10, 2016 07:38
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Kithkar posted:The fact is you are both right, and everyone is at fault. Those poor whites really did vote against their own self interest while the democrats really do need to listen to them. But listening to them doesn't mean we can do what they want. There is no reviving their industries as they had them, we have to help them in other ways. A sticking point, I think, is that you absolutely loving cannot have the wife of the man perceived as having sent these jobs away in the first loving place stand in front of this demo, shrug, and say the jobs just aren't coming back - oh, and she's coming for coal miners, next. Like holy loving poo poo.
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Nov 10, 2016 07:53
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anime was right posted:trumped up trickle down economics i wince every time
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Nov 10, 2016 08:11
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DEAL. ME. IN!!!!
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Nov 10, 2016 08:12
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Cheeto Benito makes me smile when I read it so, yes, it turns out this would have been a good direction to go in
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Nov 10, 2016 08:15
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Fulchrum posted:And by nothing, you mean a complete and total concession on virtually everything in her platform, essentially just changing the name at the top of the ticket while keeping everything Bernie supporters said they liked. THe result - they actually felt cheated on it. literally no one bought that they were gonna fight for a single loving thing on that platform
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Nov 10, 2016 08:30
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check it and see
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Nov 10, 2016 08:52
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Cyron posted:also may i ask what was the idea with having lady gaga talk dressed like a nazi? CELEBRITIES
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Nov 10, 2016 08:53
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Zythrst posted:Somebody did know and for the life of me i cant tell if it's the worst part or the best part of this
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Nov 10, 2016 08:55
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Fidel Castronaut posted:I don't know if more youth employment in dem campaigns would mean more or less "YAASSSS QUEEEN" crap. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad slogan if we were applying it to people who are not 70 and super super white. this is why you employ non-affluent youth
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Nov 10, 2016 09:08
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Terror Sweat posted:lmao wapo is now shilling for bernie. gently caress everyone at that paper eagerly looking forward to capeheart's article shilling for bruce rappaport
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Nov 10, 2016 17:26
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Raskolnikov38 posted:
hint this is why you lost
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Nov 10, 2016 18:12
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how many affluent white libs do yall think cried away their sorrows in a hamilton showing this week
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Nov 10, 2016 18:15
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Pomp posted:i genuinely don't care if we lost because the human race can't handle calling bad people what they are to spell it out further, you lost because telling poor and disadvantaged people that they're not poor and disadvantaged enough is a loving stupid line to take
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Nov 10, 2016 18:19
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:So, now that gun control as a national issue is completely dead, can liberals/Democratic pols finally, mercifully, give it the gently caress up? 50% of my extended family is rural and liberal, and nearly all of them voted Trump based on gun control. they'll never give it up because city elites love gun control and they have the money
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Nov 10, 2016 19:44
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:He didn't campaign in a lot of those states because the Clinton machine had a stranglehold on their electoral politics, which is what the polling made clear. people also forget that bernie put a shitload of work into SC and got largely rebuked - there was no reason whatsoever to spend those resources again all throughout the south when it was clear it was just going to be a repeat.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:53
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Mirthless posted:honestly i still don't know what the gently caress warren was even doing this year probably didnt help that fellow democrats (~DWS~) were going after her poo poo like payday loan protections.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:56
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resar posted:really hard to do that when your party leadership is Wall Street It's this. I wonder if Clinton was ever terrified of particular speeches getting out.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:59
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HannibalBarca posted:Speaking of the Democratic party being in shambles right now, let's count the ways: lol they're literally not prepared because Clinton culled the field so thoroughly they probably didn't have any plans for the next 8 years
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Nov 10, 2016 21:00
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Say one thing about Hillary Clinton, say she connects with affluent white women in the twilight of their careers who need one last moment of validation.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:03
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Zikan posted:i wouldn't be surprised if Cory Booker is looking into a run remember when hill shills got mad as gently caress about the bernie folks booing him and cuomo during the DNC lol
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Nov 10, 2016 21:05
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