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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

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Sweeper posted:

when a dude said, with all seriousness, a computer can only perform one I/O action at a time i knew it was time

...how does a person become a computer toucher and just not know what threads are?

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hobbesmaster posted:

there's good Asian food in the Midwest like that

what there isn't in the Midwest is tacos worth a drat

depends on where you are, southeast Wisconsin and Chicago have a decently large hispanic minority population

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Dec 18, 2012

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Does anyone here work at Northwestern Mutual or know people second hand that do? I'm a Milwaukee goon and the people I know who work there were hired on after interning there during college. I'm looking at moving over to them, the work seems pretty interesting. There's not a lot of upward mobility where I'm at now and while this is an engineering firm they're not really in the business of software and are pretty behind the times.

Mostly just wondering if they hire recent grads that didn't intern with them, because most of their job postings have requirements for a little more experience.

Also figgies, most importantly figgies.

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cis autodrag posted:

he called. figgies are in my future. he did wrestle base pay out of me during the talk though.

goongrats :toot:

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ShadowHawk posted:

Relax. Even if you get completely ripped off (relatively speaking) for the first year you will be immensely more employable with one of the big 5 companies on your resume. You'll start treating recruiter spam like (I presume) attractive people treat online dating.

...wallowing in a sea of depression as you realize that not even the constant praise of strangers nor the physical pleasure of sex can fill the emotional void inside of you?

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ThePeavstenator posted:

...wallowing in a sea of depression as you realize that not even the constant praise of strangers nor the physical pleasure of sex can fill the emotional void inside of you?

haha oh wait this is YOSPOS not E/N that post was supposed to be just a bunch of :chome: in a row

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Dec 18, 2012

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my favorite kind of hash tables are the ones with an O(1) lookup time where the O(1) stands for "oh, there's only 1 bucket"

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cis autodrag posted:

hm, anywhere i can do some reading on when you'd want a lower maximum load factor? i hadn't really thought about it before. is it in applications where you'd genuinely want to as close-to-guarantee as possible o(1) on ever single op?

There's not really any advantage to trying to do that. You don't really reduce the lookup time once your load factor gets low enough and you just start eating up tons of memory.

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Dec 18, 2012

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School of How posted:

because in this industry theres always a million new things coming out that you have to learn, and learning is hard work. i'd rather spend my learning time learning something that is actually useful. also, it *is* possible to get a job without spewing out cs trivia. pretty much every single job i've ever gotten has been without any kind of technical interview.

I mean CS trivia makes learning those million new things a lot easier because they're mostly just new ways of abstracting the principles of computer science.

I don't think anyone is saying that you need to have encyclopedic knowledge of data structures or algorithms, if you stopped me on the street and asked me what the big O of radix sort was I wouldn't be able to tell you off the top of my head. But i definitely could look at pseudocode and tell you what it is.

I mean a :caranalogy: would be that a mechanic could build themselves a tricked out car on a Honda Civic chassis but not have the knowledge to build a good engine from scratch. A mechanical engineer can, and they're not going to know the thermal properties of every metal alloy they come across off the top of their head.

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School of How posted:

tell that to the people who conduct interviews

fair enough I guess but I've only ever dealt with big O in interviews on technical tests where they laid out an example algorithm and asked what the complexity was

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Dec 18, 2012

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cis autodrag posted:

it's not about discrimination. it's about my right to control my disclosure. it is extremely hosed up for someone else to out you without your permission, or to require outing yourself as a condition of employment. i don't really expect that to make sense to anyone here, but half the reason i need a new job is people at work were not being respectful and i had no control over my environment anymore.

Yeah having to do that as a condition of employment sound like a big pile of BS to deal with.

Genuinely just curious, I'm wondering how a background check outs you? All I remember having to do for my background check for my current job is to consent to it and show up to the drug test. Is it that your old name shows up when they do it so you have to tell them beforehand?

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Dec 18, 2012

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cis autodrag posted:

it's this. to verify that i attended schools or had old jobs they need the name i had at that time because most of those places won't update your info in their records if you don't currently attend/work there. this means the background check form is fuckin' plastered with my deadname since i transitioned while in my current job. i contacted the company that does the checks to ask if the report they gave apple would just be the institutions + a note that they verified i went there and they told me that apple would get everything that was entered onto the form and that if i didn't disclose my deadname they'd just call me to get it when they contacted those institutions and add it to the form anyway.

so ya basically i am not allowed to just live my life as me and have a job. my trans status will define my relationship with my employer from day 1.

That blows maximum rear end and I hope that in some future socialist revolution we create laws that require employers and educational institutions to retroactively change names in records when requested for this very reason.

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cis autodrag posted:

it would be easier to just regulate background checks at all so that they would just send verification and not whatever random details they used to do the verification. after all, it shouldn't be my responsibility to have to call every single place in the world that may have written my name down at any point just because i transitioned. it took over a year just to get the essential stuff like degrees, local utilities, mortgage, etc updated. my water bill still shows up with a typoed version of my deadname because the water utility is incompetent.

Yeah that would probably be a better way to do it.

Iverron posted:

That really sucks.

I guess I shouldn't be so irritated by having to piss in a cup / having my credit checked for figgies.

I'd still say having to piss in a cup is BS.

My current job does loving hair tests for new hires (or did, apparently they switched to pee recently because too many white good candidates were failing lol) and I take Ritalin for ADHD. I don't care if people know, but it rubs me the wrong way that I have to tell HR "Actually I can do drugs in the privacy of my own home, a doctor said so!" like somehow that's a potential problem but interns getting smashed at the yearly Brewer game that HR organizes isn't.

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Dec 18, 2012

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cis autodrag posted:

fun story, here in wisconsin when you legally change your name you have to run an ad in your local paper for three weeks stating your old and new names and that you are changing it. i assume this has something to do with people in 1894 changing names to avoid debts but it's fuckin' onerous nowadays.

wow that sounds like it could create some problems I'm sure our state legislature could take this outdated law off the AHAHAHA

This state used to be good when it wasn't ran by people actively trying to make it lovely and I'm glad for you that you're getting out of here.

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cis autodrag posted:

my ID number is 42069666

nice try but that's too short and it's missing the 80085 prefix

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jony neuemonic posted:

re: background check chat. i had a few short jobs go down in flames before things settled down and don't list them on my resume because i like being employable. i've never been background checked, just criminal record. how screwed am i if one happens?

Your resume is supposed to put you in the most glowing light possible. You don't have to put bad jobs you don't want to sell yourself with on it. Just don't lie if asked about the gaps or imply that you've listed all of your jobs on your resume. You might lose out because of short/bad jobs but you definitely will lose out if you lie.

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FMguru posted:

theres a difference between a resume and an employment application

resumes can have gaps and skip over things and show you in the best light

once you get an offer you fill out the official employment application form and its there that you have to be thorough and complete. every poo poo job you had (with contacts), every place youve ever lived, the precise month and year you graduated from college/high school/reform school, whether youve been convicted of a crime - all of it. thats what they use for the background check (and it goes in your file so they can have cause to fire you if theres even a tiny discrepancy)

Yeah I know but the question was about resumes. Leaving stuff off of an employment application or background check is lying by omission, leaving things off of your resume that might not reflect positively on you is not.

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The_Franz posted:

idk, i've never had to fill out every place i've ever lived or list high school jobs with contacts on an application, even when applying for a federal job where part of the application process included being fingerprinted for an fbi background check.

i've never applied for something that needed real clearance though and i probably never will since i'm a dual citizen and that's basically an automatic disqualifier.

A long-time buddy of mine does intelligence work involving computers in the Air Force and has a top secret clearance and AFAIK is still a dual Japanese and American citizen.

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The_Franz posted:

i thought japan didn't allow dual citizenship? an acquaintance in college who was born in the us to japanese nationals had to pick one or the other by the age of 22

I have no idea which is why I said AFAIK, if that's the case then he probably dropped his Japanese citizenship.

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idk I'd differentiate the great lakes states from the rest of the midwest because we've got a lot more mid-sized and larger cities that are p dece and even the rural parts at least have woods and lakes you can do fun poo poo in

when I think of the midwest I think of driving through Iowa or some poo poo and wishing for a swarm of locusts to consume all the corn and then my flesh quickly afterward

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cis autodrag posted:

i used to do this whole "great lakes are different" thing and then i transitioned and found out madison has plenty of hillbillies in head to toe camo who are willing to yell "tranny" at you out of their truck or follow you to the bathroom.

Agreed, they're still downgrades from the coasts because the rednecks aren't literally 1000 miles away. I don't want to minimize what you've experienced, I'm just saying that it's better compared to flatland USA.

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JawnV6 posted:

idk don't downplay cali either, plenty of awful folks and the central valley isn't 1000 mi away

The west coast is the only place in the US I haven't been to so I can't really comment too heavily on it. I'm just trying to avoid "yeah well there's bigots everywhere, it could be worse" because I'm a hetero white guy and it's easy for me to ignore that poo poo.

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Question for the elderly: how far can you stretch "experience" for job requirements? I still work at the same company I interned at for 2 years and there's not really any room for growth as a computer toucher here. A lot of job postings ask for 3+ years of "professional experience" which I'm guessing is their way of saying "internships don't count".

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Amazed companies still put this crap on prospective job titles. Massive turn off, even to new grads.

Even better is when they list experience requirements beyond 2 years and have a giant laundry list of technologies you need to know, 2 of which the position actually touches. Probably the only thing "Jr" about those dev positions is the pay.

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My resume right now is my work experience which is a little over 2 years, my known technologies which is basically everything I learned in school plus a few things I taught myself, and my education which is a BS in Software Engineering w/ a minor in Mathematics. Is it worth putting my GPA on there or is the combination of work experience/skills/education, however small, enough?

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I guess that's kind of a vague question without actually seeing my resume so I guess what I really mean is: If you've got even the slightest hint of job experience will that eclipse any information about how you did in school?

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cis autodrag posted:

i mean, this is basically me except my degree is in poetry composition and look where i'm at. you just need to phrase your resume to emphasize projects and the skills you developed on them instead of your years in the industry. a good cover letter helps too.

don't put your gpa on there unless you got a 4.0. if you have education relevant to the position, put it in a bullet list at the bottom of the resume with a little explanation of how it's relevant. but do not make your resume longer than a page.

The GPA thing is kind of weird because I was diagnosed with ADHD halfway through college when I almost got kicked out for doing so shittily. As soon as I got medicated my GPA was basically up there but I don't want to explain that my 3.0 is actually a 4.0 if you ignore half of my grades and also my brain doesn't do work too well without taking speed first.

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qhat posted:

IMO don't bother with bullshit GPA unless they specifically ask for in in the job description, noone cares at all. if you've properly described (concisely) what you did in your current job then that's enough. as for resume ony being a page long, absolutely in your case, but in general i don't think there's anything wrong with a 2 page resume if you've got tons of experience (like 8-10 years in multiple companies).

yeah that's kind of what I was thinking

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My university career services is still accessible by alumni and the advice they give you sounds like terrible boiler-plate poo poo from the mid-90s but I try to avoid pulling a Dunning-Kruger move thinking I know more than them about the job market. They told me to put an Objective on my resume which has made me doubt 99% of the other advice they've given me including putting my GPA on there.

I think the only reason job placement from my school is so high is because they accept basically everyone and whoever survives the 4 years ends up with good technical skills and gets hired by one of the companies that basically uses it as a free recruitment system.

So basically thanks for the actually useful advice YOSPOS.

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I usually am able to handle the standard boilerplate bobblehead interview questions but sometimes my ritalin will kick in while answering them and I'll go completely manic, rip off the suit I borrowed from my dad that's 3 sizes too big, revealing my arm tattoos of Nirvana lyrics along with my Che Guevara t-shirt on underneath, jump up on the interviewer's desk, and start screaming "THERE'S NO ETHICAL CONSUMPTION UNDER A CAPITALIST SYSTEM, FULL COMMUNISM NOW!" until I'm dragged out by security.

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RISCy Business posted:

epic seems like one of those companies that looks cool as hell to work for but then you either work there and realize it's not, or hear the horror stories from people who have

LMOs posting here has been hilarious and fascinating because Epic recruits really hard at area universities. Some of my classmates went to work for them with the knowledge that they have a reputation for working young devs to death and then spitting them out after 1-2 years but the justification was always "yeah but you get so much money!!!"

Every time I saw them at job fairs I just recalled LMO posts while they gave their "Hey kids! Wanna do something EPIC on our awesome, quirky campus!?" pitch and tried not to laugh.

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qhat posted:

I've never found any recruiter to be at all useful.

Is this hyperbole? I've been contacted by quite a few recruiters and haven't responded to any, but I've read some of their pitches that outline them getting people 6 month contracts and then getting hired. Doesn't sound like the worst to me but I don't really know too much about the recruiting business and I haven't really seriously started looking for a new job until now.

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Captain Foo posted:

congrats cislmo

more like cislmao, at epic, on the way out the door

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qhat posted:

Here's a list of all the hot new techs coming out of Canada this decade:


One time I saw a Blackberry in real life. It was my dad's. I was 10.

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cis autodrag posted:

like i said he just has some kind of weird crush on me. like he complements what i'm wearing or my hair and stuff at inappropriate times and he is way too enthusiastic about even the lamest jokes. it started after someone told him i was trans (without my permission btw) so i think he might be a chaser. gross.

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I did a year-long project developing a new product with some classmates and we actually got a decent prototype as our provisional patent for it was about to expire. The week we were about to file for a full patent a much larger company started marketing a product that did exactly what ours did but also they were partnered with Motorola among other industry leaders so we dropped the project.

I have no problem telling this story in an interview as "We independently invented a working prototype and obviously it was a good idea!" but should I explicitly list that I had a provisional patent on my resume or should I just leave it as a thing I bring up in interviews?

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leper khan posted:

you should have filed for the full patent

We were seniors in college. We had no money, had no idea how to sell it, and we had jobs lined up after graduation. Filing was going to be expensive enough and we weren't interested in the possibility of going into litigation.

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I know the rule for figgie negotiation is to never be the first to name a number, but how hard should I push negotiation when I don't really have a ton of experience? From what I understand there aren't a lot of unemployed engineers in my area but I don't know if that's enough of a bargaining chip.

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cis autodrag posted:

stay classy epic. they're withholding the tuition from the last class i took from my next paycheck because it ended sooner than 2 years ago (it started >2 years ago though). i am so hosed, theres no way im gonna be able to pay my bills next month. amazing.

wtf and I'm guessing the contract for that is worded so that they can gently caress you over to maximum effect?

gently caress epic to the max

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quote:

PoopFactory could very well be the last company you ever work for

no one is reading this the way the person who wrote it intended them to

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It's actually very easy to only hire white people without having a coding test durimg the hiring process. You just say literally anything other than "they weren't white" when asked why a non-white person wasn't hired.

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*Nodding Sagely*
Yes if it weren't for the technical tests, all these non-white candidates wouldn't have expereinced any racial discrimination at all during the hiring process!

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Black man, aces technical test: "sorry but you're not the right culture fit"

White man, lies about experience, flubs technical test: "well there's a few issues with your answers but I'm sure we'll be able to fill in the gaps, welcome aboard!"

*Really smart guy, thinking hard*
After carefully analyzing these two scenarios I've come to the conclusion that the racism was introduced in to the hiring process at the time the technical test was administered.

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