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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Epic High Five posted:

also iirc, Zionism and apartheid aren't as popular with Israelis as they are with Republicans so it's a less rewarding place to be an enormous dipshit genocidal chud

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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wait are we having someone unironically using the argument that guns protect people.

am I in gun forum.

Jesus Christ.

they um don’t.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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chitoryu12 posted:

I have literally used a gun to protect someone.

sure ya did.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

shut up gun chat

it’s kind of fun seeing right wing gun nuts arguments through a woke lens.

while still demonizing the poor.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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you guys better watch out soon Rudatron will post about how much he owns you.

he won’t like do it but he will post about how he did it somewhere.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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copying white supremists arguments to own the idpols

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Karl Barks posted:

i like to make white genocide jokes constantly around PoC to prove i'm an ally. what's wrong with that

white people have to Nazi if you even joke about being mean to them.

it’s in their blood.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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rudatron posted:

It's not a future oppression that's concerning me, it's a future 'split' that undermines the possibility of solidarity. If the response to tribalism is more tribalism, 'ironic' or not (and the extent to which it is 'ironic' is not clear cut), the 'tribe' as a legitimate political unit is reinforced.

Let me give you an example: the justification for black nationalism is "due to our oppression by white people, black people need their own state to be free". And morally, it's hard to say no. You can look at police shootings, slavery, modern day slavery in the prison system, etc. That's all costed money, lives, and welfare. So there's definitely 'standing' for secession. But suppose it were to happen: wouldn't that just validate every single piece of rhetoric, that dipshit nazis put out, about how multiculturalism is bad, and you need ethno-nationalism or whatever?

In a world where idpol is the only legitimate response to idpol, there is no room for subversion of the assumptions underlying the whole system. It's just a chain of poo poo, that perpetuates itself, forever and ever, until the heat death.

I am not and have never been opposed to social leftism, you gigantic moron. But I base my beliefs on my conviction in human beings as human beings. This woke poo poo is toxic and ultimately self-defeating, which is why I reject it. And for that stance, I have received a never ending parade of poo poo, from narrow minded people, as demonstrated here. Observe the number of meltdowns a simple stance of 'racism is bad' has produced.

I say, as I meltdown hard.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Karl Barks posted:

that's actually just a normal rudatron post

love u ruda <3

I know Rudatron can’t help but meltdown whenever this gets brought up.

it’s hilariously sad.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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business hammocks posted:

No silly, it's not essentializing anything if the concept of race is already essentialized as part of a system of domination. It's just naming what's happening. The United States is a country founded on white supremacy and its few dalliances with a social safety net have been crippled by building racism right into the structure of them. Why did all the white racists become republicans between 1960 and 1980? They used to be pretty evenly distributed between the two major parties, but between Nixon and Reagan one of them became the open party of white supremacy. Why did that happen?

in all seriousness that is why it’s been rather hard to appeal leftism to more minorities as a lot of hardcore leftists get really invested in the capital question and kind of forget that the idea of making everything better for everyone kind of ignores minorities issues and just compacts them into everyone else. Bernie Sanders ran into this problem and even though he eventually did learn it was kind of to late.

I know he isn’t hardcore left but he does represent the issue they have to deal with very well.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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swimsuit posted:

everyone clowning on rudatron thinks of themselves as “one of the good ones” lol

lol you think their are good white people.

just lol

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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coathat posted:

Imagine posting that he was wrong

it’s shockingly easy as Rudatron is a parody of 1950s trots that give you newsletters at your campus

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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coathat posted:

drat you’re old as hell

trots have never changed.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Epic High Five posted:

he has yeah

it's not a trans is bad thing, it's a he's a fraud thing

which isn't even really a thing because he said under oath that everything he does is an act

well I mean the tweet that was posted called it tranny porn so it’s probably both.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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420 Gank Mid posted:

Yeah but its not BlackFace brand black face paint so its not racist

can’t even get name brand racism, SMH.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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? what does he think a meme is

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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she also seems to think the Muslims set up the Spanish kicking them out.....for some reason?

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Bedlamdan posted:

Or they just didn't want the bad press that came with people's complaints. People have been scrutinizing the Cost Guard for more blatant and obviously racist stuff recently.

woke Twitter must be extremely powerful

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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we finally got the puppet master defense.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Bedlamdan posted:

You do, apparently.

As this goes on I can only give less and less of a poo poo about it, because it literally isn't going to lead anywhere anyways. We're never going to find out anything else about random Coastie one way or another. Just put my ban reason as "supported universally accepted symbol of white supremacy, 'the okay sign' " and be done with this, thank you.

:discourse:


God, I wish I could say that, but no man. This is all you. :unsmith:

I’m.......the puppet Master?

this is my first post in this discussion so that’s impressive

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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I don’t know why y’all are shocked that a middle class leftist wilts away from even the prospect of actually doing something. it’s kind of what they do.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Business Gorillas posted:

Those aren't the people im talking about. The whole "gently caress white people" thing that the terminally woke do is dumb as hell on its face. It takes like four brain cells to ask someone how something like this:


Is tolerable, but saying the same thing about any other racial group is not.

The answer to that question is, of course, a 5 minute explanation lawyering the definition of racism that nobody who has actual problems in their life will listen to.

The whole "gently caress white people" thing is annoying performative wokeness at its best and giving truth to the right's attacks on the left at worst.*


* - this is, of course, not assuming you're serious. If you are, good fuckin luck building a mass movement on the left by telling half of the population to immediately go to hell

no one wants your help you sensitive rear end in a top hat

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Business Gorillas posted:

if you have a solution to building a mass movement to make the world better that excludes white people, i'm all for hearing it and you can shout how much you hate white people all day

if you don't, i'm tired of dealing with self-righteous liberals more worried about purity politics than actually changing anything

I love the term purity politics as any time someone uses it you know their opinions are worthless

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

White people going on about how terrible white people are strikes me as the equivalent of self-proclaimed male feminists going on about how terrible men are before they get exposed as sex creeps. I'll gladly take it from non-white people who actually have a perspective on the absurd monstrous edifice that is white supremacy, call it inverse n-word privileges, but otherwise it just sounds like masturbatory insincere self-depreciation.

Besides, I think the hotter take is 'there's no such thing as white people'.

imagine being this tedious of a person that you have to form a rather elaborate theory for why people say an objective statement.

alternatively the most hosed up version of identity politics I’ve ever seen.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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LordSaturn posted:

I mostly remember this being an "ugh men"/"bernie bros" thing, but yeah, I believe that

plus a lot of berniebros were pretty lovely

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

that's interesting, because 100% of all Hillarymen I've talked to have been huge pieces of poo poo

I don’t think anyone thought different

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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people who say idpol is a distraction from class politics are basically the lefts version of all lives matter.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

The thing is that any separation between the two is artificial, and as the above post suggests, more often goes the other way; class identity has been surgically removed from identity politics, leaving it broken and frequently self-contradictory. This being entirely on purpose so exploitation can be dressed up in progressive rhetoric.

yeah but a lot of leftist don’t see it that way and basically demand minorities abandon Idpol and then are shocked when minorities aren’t flocking to them.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Martin Random posted:

Can you cite any personal organizing experience in which this happened offline?

I’m not talking about that I’m talking about online leftists, especially here.

it happened a lot while Trump is being elected.

honestly the whole idea of idpol being some distraction is basically something only online leftist really do.

the ideas guys that know exactly how to fix the left if only someone listened to them.

CharlestheHammer has issued a correction as of 16:43 on Oct 7, 2018

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Crowsbeak posted:

LOL! Mao noted reactionary. Chiang Kai Shek meanwhile great progressive.

I’m not sure that’s how it works. as I don’t think the world works on some weird equilibrium

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Crane Fist posted:

So like 3 people switched allegiance in that direction and you went "drat THOSE RACIST LEFTIES"?

lol it was way more than three, quit being defensive.

it’s not like their existence invalidates leftists or something.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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lol still mad I see

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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if there is one group that loves Bureaucrats it’s feudalism

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Crane Fist posted:

What are you basing this on

Like who are these people, show me some fuckin examples, this is insanely frustrating

having eyes probably they were fairly easily to see during the run up but since that was over 2 years ago I’m not sure what you expect to get.

I don’t get why you have a hard time a accepting two people who got support through populism would have overlap, it’s fairly self evident.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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why do they like her? is it because she’s so pale

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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I did not think this thread of all places would white knight Mao but here we are.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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snoremac posted:

Does Charlie Kirk think Taylor Swift’s career ended because Kanye interrupted her award speech?

he does now that she made him mad

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Epic High Five posted:

she was politically aloof which they correctly identified as likely pro-fash

also blonde and blue eyes country singing woman

there are tons of those tho.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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though why Australia would care about a foreign racist when they have plenty of home grown ones is a mystery

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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

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Grape posted:

Hungary was never part of Ost in any regard.
Also lol at wishing genocide on Poland for the audacity of not having monuments to one of the two armies that raped and ravaged them in WW2.

lol if you think that’s the reason and not anti communist fascist being well that.

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