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Hodgepodge
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Grand Prize Winner posted:

I wonder if anyone's gone after Bethesda for that. They literally give different stats based on whether you're Italian, British, Scandinavian, or a Black Dude.

it's not as pronounced since they only have skill stats now, rather than qualities like intelligence

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Hodgepodge
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also replaying skyrim now, it reads as a hilarious parody of trump and the alt-right; it's kind of amazing

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Jeb! Repetition posted:

Well yeah, I'm always the first to say fantasy is fascist, I was just pointing out that in modern editions of D&D the genders are mechanically equal.

The counterpoint there would be self-consciously progressive fantasy like The Wizard of Oz.

A lot of the race stuff comes from Wagner, who was also the inspiration for a lot of the development of racism itself. The races in the Ring Cycle include men, elves, gods, valkyries, and heroes. A lot of the Aryan poo poo makes more sense when you realize it's Wagner fanfic about how the writer is secretly from the race of heroes.

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

How? The rebels are literally Nord supremacists who want to kick out all the other races from Skyrim, and they're treated like a legitimate choice.

Fallout: New Vegas is way more relevant.

The rebels are presented as playing into the Thalmor's hands, and their leader is an impulsive hypocrite who murdered his king by abusing the Voice. They're only legitimate if you hang out with them and never think about anything for a few seconds.

Also the ultimate power in the game is shouting really loud.

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

They're legitimate because siding with the rebels and overthrowing the Empire has no appreciable consequence on the world, and the Thalmor are ultimately irrelevant to the course of the game's events. By the time the next Elder Scrolls comes out, the Thalmor probably won't exist.

Even taking the two geopolitical sides at face value, the Aldmeri Dominion and Empire merely represent two aristocracies rooted in different forms of supremacism. The former being an empire ruled by elves, and the latter being an empire ruled by men. Whoever wins the geopolitical struggle for Tamriel ultimately doesn't matter, unless you really care about the race of the ruling class.

Except the Thalmor want to kill all non-Elves and ultimately destroy the world and cackle about how cartoonishly evil they are while they persecute anyone who worships a god they dislike for being a human, while the Empire is a cosmopolitan empire which used to have literal divine approval.

Which side you pick has no tangible effect on the world of the game because it's an Elder Scrolls game.

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Jeb! Repetition posted:

Killing the emperor doesn't have any tangible effect either

He seems really resigned about being assassinated, iirc.

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

But they don't? All I remember from the main quest of the game was that the Thalmor were trying to weaken the Empire by surreptitiously supporting the stormcloaks. The main quest even confirms the fact that the Thalmor have nothing to do with Alduin coming back to devour the world. I skimmed the Elder Scrolls wiki entry on the Thalmor, and there's no hint of any kind of genocidal agenda.

Their plan isn't related to Alduin, but an esoteric thing where erasing the effect of men existing lets them go back to the age of legends, which is why they're so intent on a man not being able to be a god.

There's a lot of stuff in books and so forth about the non-crazy Aldmer being freaked about about what they're doing back on the Summerset Isles and their ultimate agenda.

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Their main genocidal agenda in the game is enforcing the treaty they forced the Empire into which allows them to go into other people's territory to murder anyone who worships Talos.

Which is also the main point of contention in the civil war.

Hodgepodge
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"Do you expect me to stop investigating the administration's connections to Russia?"

"No Mr. Bond, I expect you... to piss."

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Identity politics reached its apotheosis within the last year through the Clinton campaign, and now the premature push to make Kamala Harris the 2020 nominee. It's a fundamentally liberal political formulation that is ironically shaped as a reaction to white supremacy and heteronormativity, that subsumes the individual within a group identity that confers a social privilege within its own in-group politics. It claims to value diversity, but flattens it within the narrow confines of pre-defined stereotypes. Which in the end, causes the symbolic to overtake the real.

The most important thing about Hillary Clinton was that she was a woman, and all of the symbolic values that carried. All misgivings about her past record of stated policies and ideology were dismissed as mere misogynies.

And Kamala Harris is all of those contradictory and self-defeating tendencies carried out to its logical conclusion. Supposedly Harris carries "progressive" bonafides just in the fact that she's a female poc, even though in reality she's a member of the professional bourgeois that directly profited from the carceral state which disproportionately persecutes minorities. As California AG she did more to persecute black and Hispanic people than any individual Republican voter could ever hope to do in an entire lifetime, and this is apparently supposed to be the progressive champion of Democratic politics. It's a transparent sham that absolves white liberals of the guilt of their privilege by performing the proper sacraments, and rewards middle class & bourgeois minorities for perpetuating the exploitative system.

Yet white, male, or hetero privilege is never even meaningfully challenged, because there is still a massive reactionary political formulation outside of the confines of identity politics which conveniently makes it impossible to challenge any of those oppressive cycles. Idpol folks are so obsessed with policing language and performing the correct deference, because their own internal politics are more important than reality. Democrats don't really care if they actually win, or are a party of power, because it's more important that they perform the role of a principled opposition. In reality, being able to overcome the opposition means having a willingness to engage in a discoursive dialectical process, that can realize an ideological synthesis which creates a greater liberationist politics. Otherwise you have to overthrow the system by force and make the opposition bend to the will of your agenda. Yet liberals reject the use of force out of hand, and they don't want to be discoursive because they know their ideology doesn't hold up under scrutiny. In any real sense they're politically impotent, but the result of that impotence is that white liberals get to have their cake and eat it too. They can keep benefiting from all of their race, sex, and class privileges while having the added benefit of being praised for claiming to oppose them.

Normal people can spot these contradictions, even if they lack the ability to articulate them. They can feel it. It's a political dead end.

the funny thing is that all throughout university and grad school, every important contemporary thinker i encountered got stuck on the fact that poststructuralism and postmodernism were not in any way opposed to capitalism; the former being easily co-opted and the latter being a fundamentally descriptive theory of the "cultural logic of late capitalism"

now we're seeing that play out, and surprise, the problem was the impossibility of class solidarity in the cultural context of the dominance of neoliberalism/neoconservatism

that said, intersectionality, the substance behind idpol, remains vitally important

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Hodgepodge
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Qu Appelle posted:

Are you a budding Neo-Nazi, just itching to go to your first rally? You have a fresh Kek flag, and a proudly handpainted Pepe sign, with only the dankest meme on it?

Better follow the dress code!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/599zmx/neo-nazi-to-troll-army-we-have-to-be-sexy-at-the-big-alt-right-rally


Here's the actual article on TDS: https://www.dailystormer.com/psa-when-the-internet-becomes-real-life-and-the-alt-right-hits-the-street-you-wanna-be-ready/

oh nice, they think being college republicans is the pathway to being cool

you don't have to post on /b to hear the discordian laughter of kek at this poo poo

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smug n stuff posted:

Hi alt-right thread, I have a question: starting in the past 6 months or so, I keep seeing alt-right nazi idiots using the word "postmodernist" as some kind of insult, like, as a substitute word for "SJW" to make them look smarter. Does anyone know where this trend came from? Do these people have any idea what "postmodernism" means?

it refers to a wide ranging movement away from the idea that there is a single universal truth with an objective character which cultures, fields of study (ranging from linguistics to law to art to physics) to various degrees may be judged to either succeed or fail at accurately perceiving and articulating

instead, postmodernism (and poststructualism which is closely related and often technically what is actually meant) argues that object/subject dualism is itself, like all other standards of truth, historically and culturally specific; not only is truth socially constructed in both the sense of how we define "truth" and what we decide us true according to those definitions, but truth itself is not the only standard of value. for example, meaning is distinct from truth; science has an objective, empirical standard of truth from which meaning is explicitly excluded, whereas in literature truth might be defined as accurately representing the text, and meaning as the explication of subtext.

Hodgepodge
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oh dear

i made the mistake of trying to define postmodernism and now azathoth is eating my ka

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Darkman Fanpage posted:

its where all the sjws are made

mostly out of intestines, as it happens

Hodgepodge
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Montasque posted:

Youtube has been taken over by reactionaries.

The Kids are Alt-Right.

unfortunately, lack of shame is an adaptive advantage for white internet nerds using the video format

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pillsburysoldier posted:

Why do alt right people think jewish people control black people?

the anti-semitic explanation for socialism is that it is a jewish plot to use black people against white people

Hodgepodge
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Al! posted:

the thing is, the aclu already had plenty of non-white supremacist test cases lined up for this particular battle, they didn't have to elevate and empower milo.

but you see, this time they will prove to conservatives that they are cool and good for sure

Hodgepodge
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babypolis posted:

yeah its become harder and harder to swallow the neoliberal tenet that taking principled actions is more important than getting actually positive results

but i though neoliberalism was about pragmatism in order to get positive results?

it's actually about convenient excuses from an elite which fears change

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

in which "neoliberal" becomes a meaningless snarl word of the sort beloved by alt-right types, only for the left

that's actually been the primary criticism of the term since it was coined so you're 30 years or so late on calling that one

Hodgepodge
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nopantsjack posted:

Actually last time the Nazis were defeated by communist bullets and bombs not love :eng101:

Look up on the wall, baby. Hand me down my shootin iron
Look up on the wall, baby. Hand me down my shootin iron
Call your mother long distance. Tell her to expect your body home
If the city don't bury you baby, lord knows the county will
If the city don't bury you baby, lord knows the county will
You made your last mistake. You're goin way out on that boot hill

Now I don't want to wax you darlin cause you gave me my first thrill
Now I don't want to wax you baby cause you gave me my first thrill
You did me so wrong. You goin way out on that boot hill

Hodgepodge
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4chan messes up and smears someone innocent with responsibility for a terrorist attack?

wow if only there were some precedent which could have warned us about jumping the gun on this

Hodgepodge
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Peel posted:

I agree, nazi street movements are a jewish plot and good nazis should not go outside.

i think we might have some luck convincing this crop of nazis to stay inside

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cargo cult posted:

the thing i dont get i guess is if the economy goes off a cliff are these nazi assholes gonna be empowered by that? like if the economy tanked soon after this but with hilldawg in charge i think we'd go 0 to full fascism like instantly, but with trump at 35% i really dont get it but w/e

that is when a robust socialism is necessary in order to offer people an alternative that isn't more insincere bullshit

Hodgepodge
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Montasque posted:

When the Nazi's mom finds out her son is a murder Nazi...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP8t_MoiDRc

Well this is awkward...

i feel really bad for her

imagine finding this poo poo out about your kid

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Hodgepodge
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Yeah, only the front page being down is a bit of a giveaway

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Gravy Jones posted:

To be fair the media has never paid any attention to the fact that I'm not a nazi either. What's up with that?

why does the media refuse to report that i am not a serial killer?

Hodgepodge
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kek: looks at worshipers, realizes they are loving nazis, revokes all memetic spell levels

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people out there just figuring out trump is a white nationalist now :psyduck:

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The Alt-Right: kek has blessed his people. the god emperor protects

clearly as the chosen of the chaos god kek, trump would not be the god emperor :colbert:

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The Imperial cultists don't know that.

it is ever the way of chaos cults to deceive the foolhardy with heretical lies covered in false piety #inquisition #exterminatus

Hodgepodge
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Meanwhile it's hard to pick just one radical faction of the inquisition...

e: i mean recongregators are obvious but clearly brotherhood with the xeno and mutants is also necessary

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sneakyfrog posted:

goddamn this is a bit of an awkward thread to have a 40k derail in.

i won't let those chuds have my dumb nerd poo poo

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sneakyfrog posted:

its ok brah they cant have my frog either. I had it first.


yeah but then i have a feeling we would like be the tau or something and gently caress that anime poo poo.

frogs are awesome and in some cases naturally produce mind-expanding hallucinogens

the thing about the imperium is that it's a horrifying shithole at the moment when it is forced to admit that it doesn't work and all its problems will destroy it if nothing changes

a pretty good metaphor

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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

Don't Give GW Money

oh, there are tons of reasons not to give those fuckers money

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Relevant Tangent posted:

For a lot of these dudes this is the first time they have done anything of consequence. The consequence being an immediate cobbing. I think that there needs to be a way out offered to them at some point, but I freely admit I don't know what that looks like.

it would, i think, involve demonstrating an understanding of why their actions were wrong and a genuine change of heart as a result of that understanding

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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:



Slambo is cool, but I'm more into Mighty Zog.

i'm haxrot greenpiece

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Calibanibal posted:

if a confederate gravesite was built on indian burial grounds, and you bulldoze the gravesite and build a starbucks on top, what kind of ghosts do you get

very energetic ones

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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Despite all the oorah about how great they are, the Nazis know they need a rebranding and one idea being floated is a more "American" look. Red white and blue, etc. Kinda hard to do when your leaders have been permanently branded and good luck convincing Heimbach and et. al.

They've got image problems.

literal nazi is a bad look

like half the whining about "sjws" is people not wanting to have to think of themselves as racist so putting up a big "i'm really loving racist" sign might not draw those people in

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Race Realists posted:

they dont like being thought of as nazis :v:

yeah which makes "come sig heil with us" kinda awkward for them

as usual internet nerds fail to grasp social nuance

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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

wasnt mt rushmore literally chiseled into a sacred mountain to dunk it in the face of some native americans

Looking it up, it seems it was actually relocated due to opposition by native americans to the first choice for the site.

e: the designer also originally wanted Red Cloud as one of the faces, along with Lewis and Clark and Buffalo Bill.

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