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chicago, il despite joining up at a really exciting time and living minutes away from the conference I haven't been able to get out to anything yet thanks to family stuff :\
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HiHo ChiRho posted:this sounds like something a cop would say nonsense. check out my extremely socialist resume: code:
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Can anyone point me to resources about what post-police law enforcement would look like? I've read/heard a lot about police abolition but not about what comes after aside from like empowered neighborhood watch groups.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:56
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get you a button https://twitter.com/ChicagoCityDSA/status/897470397406380032
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Today I went to my first working group and got very pumped about solidarity economy it was pretty cool
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Phi230 posted:Abolish leadership I say as wait why is nobody doing anything you're all supposed organize please don't leave
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LA smells to me like young leadership who is trying hard but don't have the maturity or are unwilling to actually address lovely elements in the org because they go to house parties together. Like, they know this poo poo is bad and will rot the foundations of the organization and that's why they wrote 30,000 words about it but they also go to great lengths to protect ~both sides~ because part of the steering committee is going "nah, not Jeff though! C'mon guys we all know Jeff, he'd never do anything like this, he's a real sweetheart!" Maybe that's a bad read on my part, but I saw this happen all the time when I was organizing in college
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:gently caress Robert's Rules. G.U.R.P.S. is the best rule set. DS(Pbt)A
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since joining the DSA I've made it a point to try and reach out sincerely to people in my life and it's not nearly as much of a brick wall as some of you make it out to be I mean, sure, some people (mostly boomers) have had their brains melted by a lifetime of capitalist propaganda but you're not going to reach them anyway. Are there a lot of young people living in white suburbs posting here? Or in like deeply conservative rural America? Or are you guys just arguing with other Extremely Online people? Halloween Jack posted:I think it's also worth pointing out that at one point, ideas like public utilities and, like, fire departments were radical socialist ideals. Nobody actually wants to live in an anarcho-libertarian state where it's your neighbour's right to live on a plot of land that's coated in poo poo. my go to "this is what American socialism looks like" tactic is to talk about the Milwaukee sewer socialists. Suddenly socialism isn't some bloody-handed commie coming for your riding mower, it's some union guys with good ideas.
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Nov 10, 2017 18:03
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There are hundreds of truly important, pressing reasons why capitalism needs to be dismantled but ultimately something like "you deserve healthcare" is what's going to get people in the door. I think if you're out there proselytizing socialism you need to show them the path and trust that they'll find the same way you did.
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Nov 10, 2017 19:02
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GunnerJ posted:Yo, where can I find out more about sewer socialism? It's difficult! There's supposed to be a pretty good book (The Sewer Socialists : a History of the Socialist Party of Wisconsin, 1897-1940), but I have had absolutely zero success in finding it. Nichols' The “S” Word: A Short History of an American Tradition talks about them, and Milwaukee at the time, but it's not the focus of the book. Otherwise, the biggest repository for info I've found has, unfortunately, been the external links section of the wiki article.
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Nov 10, 2017 19:56
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Ace of Baes posted:"We can't build socialism." this is such a good point that everyone in the left needs to get tattooed on the inside of their eyelids it's good when someone reflects on their beliefs and comes to the conclusion they once supported some pretty heinous poo poo, like I assume we all have demanding people repent and prostrate themselves before daddy marx is going to bring exactly zero people to your next DSA meeting
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Corporal Beefheart posted:I don't get how this is damning against RL. Like, I'm reading the same thread you guys are, right? Dude might be overreacting, but he's not wrong. He's not wrong, I agree, but having been elected to a position in the national (to the extent we've got it) leadership of the organization he should have immediately gone to the harassment committee or whatever, not be Extremely Online about it. What she said was harassment and he, as a leader, should show that it both a) won't be tolerated and b) will be dealt with by the organization. I like RL. I like his politics. I listen to/read a lot of what he produces and generally agree ~but~ I really don't think this sort of (bureaucratic, public, high-level) leadership suits him. (let's say) we're a 30,000 member org and people are going to say poo poo, and some people are going to say really awful poo poo, and that's not going to get better if/as that number gets bigger. How is airing everything out online is going to address anything? Is RL is bringing this stuff to the NPC or the harassment committee or whatever and he's getting shot down? If so that's a huge deal that we should all be mad and nude about, but AFAIK that's not the case Also what the gently caress fetonte was on the call? I thought he was basically run out
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Syndlig posted:it's literally this, this was nearly 3 months ago jesus christ. well, thanks for the clarification. apokaladle posted:Without assigning blame, I don't have any reason to believe that DSA has the capability to address this. Well said. I sincerely hope this sort of thing is at least blunted as the org matures.
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PostNouveau posted:Went to my first DSA meeting today. They've got a few projects that need doing that I think I can put some energy into. I think it went really well. hell yeah!
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I am extremely upset to hear that the m4a working group has been loading disabled comrades into a catapult and launching them into the sea
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Jan 7, 2018 21:10
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full of raw water please cook the rich completely to an internal temperature of at least 145F before eating
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Jan 24, 2018 20:44
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heck buddies, I'd go so far as to say that a firsthand seat to a labor action this large and important is a great object lesson and maybe we can pick the times tables back up in a few weeks or so.
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Am I reading correctly that the strike also belayed the really heinous changes to PEIA that were coming down the pipe? I haven't heard anything about health insurance (just the 5% raise), besides a "task force" convening on the 15th. I'm happy about the 5% but man if PEIA doesn't get fixed with the quickness they better burn the statehouse to the foundations
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it's been said before but the Extremely Online Caucus of the DSA is totally and utterly infested by ultrawoke liberals who joined the DSA to call themselves socialists because calling themselves "liberal" or "progressive" stopped shocking their families post-Trump.
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Mar 22, 2018 16:01
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buddhanc posted:Annd there was free beer too real rear end praxis detected
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Mar 23, 2018 05:17
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sorry i know this is from a few pages ago but i cannot stop laughing about the loving furry con guy
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Mar 26, 2018 20:33
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"hmm where should we build socialism, gang?" *sees black man being murdered by cops* *sees crushing poverty in immigrant communities* *sees folks ground into dust by the gig economy* "hey you know what i heard anthrocon is gonna be here like next week"
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Captain Queernabs posted:this seems like a no-brainer to me. anyone who has the time to do work but isn't doing work at a given point in time represents unused capacity. so long as the people working anthrocon wouldn't otherwise be working on something else, tabling anthrocon increases member-time utilization and is therefore fine. thank goodness we have an outlet like this, so that our comrades who are terrified of black people can further the great cause of socialism by bringing other internet subculture weirdos into the big tent
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Mar 27, 2018 00:13
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hot take incoming: going to the poorest church in the poorest neighborhood in your area and saying "hi. we're here to help in any way we can" is going to be vastly more effective than 99% of the projects any DSA chapter has developed in our laboratories of Extreme Wokeness and the first three chapters of Das Kapital.
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Mar 27, 2018 00:17
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socialism, but only for people with morgellons
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May 11, 2018 04:41
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the chapo boys REFUSE to accommodate my bubble boy syndrome by creating a giant hypoallergenic hamster ball for me drag em fam
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May 11, 2018 17:25
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joepinetree posted:On my chapter there was a person very upset about accessibility and child care. She didn't actually do any work to help with those, and instead just berated the organization for not doing it. Sticking points were sign language interpreter and child care at meetings. No one actually requested those, but the person made a huge stink about how those should be in place no matter what. So for the past 2 months we've had 2 people who are teachers and therefore have undergone all the background checks for their employment be volunteers for child care duties. Number of times anyone actually made use of the childcare service during our events? Zero. This started to happen in my local right before I moved last month and you could see like in real time the deleterious effects it had on the chapter. This poo poo is so insidious and we don't even have tools to fight it -- before someone replies about how you "need strong leadership that can shut them down" or whatever that requires insane amounts of dedication and raw leadership talent from one or a small handful of people and the wreckers that get shut down (in the correct way) go f u c k i n g i n s a n e because DSA is a bunch of fascists now etc etc liberals to the gulags, comrades
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May 11, 2018 17:34
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rudatron posted:Never compromise with wreckers, push them out. You can't let them distract from your work, and you're better off solving the problem sooner rather than later. I'm already gone (and might try to start a chapter around here) but one of the big problems is that there's not a lot of structure at any level above the local (for better or for worse, I guess) and national leadership is a bad joke. 99% of the drama we repost here is due to these wreckers clawing their way into leadership positions because -- surprise surprise! -- they're all rich white kids who have plenty of time to invest into their campaigns and weirdo online personality cults. People like Morency or Arpwel or whoever else are getting into leadership positions, and work stops because now the wreckers who should have been shut down now have a ringer in a leadership role who is able to spend all hours bitching about minor or perceived slights on twitter and ruin plans, chapter cohesion, effective organization etc etc because they've decided M4A actually means Medicare 4 Albino hemophiliacs with microcephaly. And to stop you (the general you, not rudatron) before you respond to this -- this is not minimizing or trivializing the need for grassroots orgs of any sort (especially one that is focused on M4A) to accommodate people with disabilities. Like every fuckin advocacy and access group that's not run by a gaggle of brokebrained rose emojis on twitter has actual, time-tested, effective ways to accommodate and/or expand access without bleeding the hosting org. Disability concerns are just the hot new attack surface for wreckers because any argument against what they're doing is extremely easy to paint as an argument to ignore and erase disabled comrades.
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GunnerJ posted:We reacted to problems and solved them as best we could I did a lot of work in and right out of college with volunteering groups and have experience with eg. campus disability advocate groups and what you describe is exactly how it's done everywhere I've ever heard of and also makes perfect sense: - Your group is alerted to a problem or oversight (there is a lack of handicap parking) - You react to address the issue (we moved meetings to places with handicap parking) The end! The problem is solved and everyone should be happy. The Extremely Online Caucus demands that every possible (or at lease their pet) issue be considered and addressed in the planning stages and remediated to their own standards of acceptability. It doesn't matter if they're just that dumb and pigheaded* or they're secret cops* trying to bleed the organization because the effect they're having is literally out of that CIA Simple Sabotage Field Manual. It's poison to this or any other grassroots organization. * I mean we both know what's actually happening is they're attention-obsessed liberals who have found an incredible target to be Extremely Woke upon. They're socialists! That's like, double liberal. Everyone will now see I Completely Get It and I'll be famous on twitter (and slide into some DMs to do some extremely suspicious sex stuff is always the end of this story).
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May 11, 2018 18:47
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i wish we were an org that got our poo poo shut down by cops and their terrified wealthy handlers than by our own cadre of internet dumbasses
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May 11, 2018 18:53
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GunnerJ posted:I know first hand that there are people who suck and take it way too far, but uh honestly I kinda think it does matter that we not refer to people as "wreckers" or whatever unless we're sure it's not just some people being extremely misguided and/or up their own rear end?? I don't know what's in it's heart or hearts but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, and has a dedicated twitter following of ducks, I'm going to call it a duck.
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May 11, 2018 19:03
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as phil greaves taught us (pbuh) joke’s are fascist sorry fam
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May 12, 2018 21:34
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this thread blows but its far and away the best online space to talk about dsa stuff
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May 12, 2018 22:14
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thats not in any way an endorsement of this thread i just am at a loss to express how much everything else loving sucks
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May 12, 2018 22:15
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yeah, socialism in america especially now is predominantly young white educated men because they’re usually not murdered by the government for talking about class struggle
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May 14, 2018 23:36
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singing songs with your comrades (before, after, and during drinking) is very fun
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these results are like a gulp of ice water in the greasy hell of online (and last week's primaries)
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