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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

So what's the deal with the breakaway faction of Dems, and why have they existed for so long. Do the rules of the Senate favor it or something?

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

The march on 2/17 (National Strike Day I think?) seems to be the next big protest (if anyone knows of any others, especially with a immigrant/refugee focus, please let me know).

Hope to see as many of you guys and gals out there as possible.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

So who's going to the Strike Day march today? Is DSA organizing something regarding it?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I think it's awfu, for a variety of reasons, namely that any increase of gun ownership leads to a greater likelihood of violence from those same guns (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/), and that I as NYC resident do not want to live in a city that accepts willy nilly the carrying of guns without the regulations and training that I think is necessary, and woefully missing in many localities issuing permits across the US.

I like living in a city that tries to dissuade people from packing handguns as much as possible, and I live in this city because of those and other progressive values, this bill is an affront and an attempt to take away the choice to live in and reside in a polity that reflects my (and most of this city's) values.

Also lol at the federal govt doing ANYTHING regarding guns than encourage their profligaration and greater loosening of regulations, training, and common sense.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

gobbagool posted:

Gee a guy with a Joe Biden avatar having a totally retarded opinion about guns? Knock me over with a loving feather!

You sure got me there.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

uh not good

quote:

Within the Justice Department, some are questioning whether a recent phone call from Trump to Bharara may have contributed to the decision to remove the Obama holdovers, according to a person familiar with the matter. On Thursday, a White House aide called and left a message for Bharara, saying the president wanted to speak with him, though the prospective topic of discussion was unclear. Bharara consulted his staff and determined that it would probably be a violation of Justice Department protocols for him to speak directly to the president, this person said. That protocol exists in order to prevent political interference—or the appearance of political interference — with Justice Department work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.e08e16917f20

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

MizPiz posted:

I'm currently working with Greenpeace on a campaign to get a plastic bag ban in New York City, and the wider state if possible. We're trying to figure out the best means to implement it (outright ban, a tax on it's use, etc.) and I'd love to get y'alls thoughts on what it should be and how it could be done. I know it's a bit more of a vanity initiative compared to other issues, but it's meant to get a local victory under our belt. Plus, the city alone uses 10 billion plastic bags anually, compared to 100 billion nationwide.

I'm personally torn between the tax and outright ban. The ban would be easier to sell and harder revoke, though the revenue from the tax could be directed towards a seperate initiative that directly benefits the population.

Just to put it out there: Paper bags will still be in use. This is really only directed towards the single use plastic bags you get at stores.

There's been near misses in the NY legislature: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/26/us/plastic-bags-come-under-siege-in-california.html.

Sen Alex Padilla has been pretty out there on the issue, you might want to read about his efforts. Some more background on the issue:http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/plastic-bag-bans.html

10 cent a bag seems the reasonable position, at least to me.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

So wait does single stream recycling occur for all NYC garbage?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Ol Standard Retard posted:

A friend's coworkers found a body in the Hudson today.

It was a State Court of Appeals judge.

So far no evidence of foul play but... yeah.

Early reports say it was suicide.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Illusive gently caress Man posted:

Is there a definitive list of "why Cuomo sucks"? My impression is that he's started talking a big game about being "progressive", but has a history of only supporting garbage half-measures at best. I don't actually remember anything specific to back this up.

same for schumer

the article posted in the last page about the IDC is a good start

quote:

Cuomo, however, has been both publicly cool and lukewarm over the years to the idea of an all-Democratic Senate. He has pointed out repeatedly the troubles that arose when Democrats took over the Senate for some part of two years in 2009 and how the current arrangement with the Senate GOP and IDC – upon which Cuomo has heaped much praise – has worked well in terms of getting his fiscal and policy agenda through over the years.

Last week, Cuomo said it would be “optimal” if the Senate Democrats unified, though he has not expended much political energy – at least publicly – to make it happen. Cuomo controls the state’s Democratic Party.

edit: also dissolving the ethics commission b/c it got too close to him

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Edit wrong thread

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

shame about jabari

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

EugeneJ posted:

DSA member Brian Nowak just got elected to Cheektowaga Town Council

well that's awesome

e^^^ That has more holes than swiss cheese, thanks to Cuomo

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

grah posted:

I always thought crossposting was frowned upon on these Something Awful dot com forums, but sure.


And on TWU support for Cuomo:

The coziness between union management, business, and governmental honchos is responsible for the decline in union rates since the mid-century. It's more organizer led unions, like Nevada's Culinary Union or Carpenters Union (which split from the AFL-CIO), that has been the only stymie for that trend.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

The guy LOOOOVES charter school so good riddance I say.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Real hurthling! posted:

my Italian mom is like a big mario cuomo groupie if that is possible and she cant talk about andrew without hissing

How could you not like Mario after listening to something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdIqKsv624

Man his son is a disappointment

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

This is after Cuomo used the IDC and Republican control of Senate to strip the budget out of anything coming close to progressive or even center left. He is a trash man.

e: update on the article posted earlier: https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/10-things-cut-from-the-enacted-budget-12800668.php

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Cuomo's too much of a pro for that to happen, he would've have them killed well before any allegations could come out

lol at Cuomo having any other sexual drive than loving the Metro

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

https://twitter.com/rafaelshimunov/status/994566626505842688

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


It's a very Putin-esque move where Cuomo doesn't have to come out and say it, but his underlings, Nassau Dem chairman for one, taking their own initiative to fulfill his assumed wishes. It's a terrible model for governance and is very Don-like in its attempt to escape culpability while exacting tribute and loyalty.

e: does anyone know a lot about letita james?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Look at this nonsense from guess who

quote:

On June 7, a new student-led coalition called CURB (Children United to Rein In Breakneck Driving) rallied outside Governor Cuomo’s office in Midtown to urge state lawmakers to approve legislation to double the number of speed cameras outside the city’s schools.

Right now, there are speed cameras outside 140 school zones across the city, and the Assembly-backed bill would double the eligible school zones to 290 to cover more than 10 percent of the city’s schools over all.

But the bill is being held up by Senate Republicans — and in particular, Brooklyn’s Simcha Felder, who has refused to let the bill out of committee unless his proposal of putting a police officer at every school is also passed.

If the bill does not get approved before the legislative session ends this week, not only would the city not get to add new cameras, but existing cameras would go dark.

http://thevillager.com/2018/06/18/kids-call-for-more-speed-cameras-near-schools/

Getting kids killed to own the libs I guess.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Speed Camera's are trash policy, whose primary purpose is to raise revenue for well-connected business owners.

quote:

We currently have speed safety cameras in just 140 school zones, or about 7% of the city's schools. By law they operate only during school hours (not early mornings, nights, or weekends when children of all ages often use school-adjacent facilities), and can only be placed along a narrow section of road touching the exit of a school. These restrictions have been imposed by our elected officials in Albany.

But still, this tiny number of cameras has led to a 63% drop in speeding violations in the locations where they've been positioned. This has resulted in a 23% drop in pedestrian crash injuries at those locations and, critically, 81% of vehicle owners ticketed do not receive a second violation at the same location. And importantly, neither race, age, gender of the driver, nor make of the car affects who is ticketed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/speed-cameras-save-lives-article-1.3892394

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

You know that means alot of those kids will never be reunited with their parents again right

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Mechafunkzilla posted:

The damage is being done at the point of separation. Since the record-keeping is so deficient, this is why it's actually preferable that the kids wind up somewhere with capable and available case workers who can advocate for them and help locate their families, even if they have to travel to get there.

Like, DHS is dumping thousands of unidentified, unaccompanied kids on HHS's doorstop. They're children and need to be cared for. You can't just put them up in the nearest hotel.

I do agree that there's variances in the quality of outfits and that's it's better to go a caring nonprofit than a for profit TX nightmare. It just makes intensely worry when kids are being shipped off to NYC and Michigan and their parents are left cooking their heels all the way in mexico.

This is all reminiscent of what we did with a generation of native Americans and Australians did with their indigenous people.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I've actually sat in on Kings Dem meeting where Nixon spoke and she didn't entirely convince me. Anyone here got any points other than beating my enemy Andrew Cuomo? Wanna volunteer for something since I was too lovely to go out for Ocasio.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Glambags posted:

Was Delgado the preferred candidate in 19? I didn't follow that race much. Looks like Max Della Pia won in 23. Mitrano was endorsed by wfp and Golden was endorsed by justice dems and nypan. MDP is former military and has high potential to be a baddem based on his stated positions but he probably has the best chance at beating Reed in November.

I preferred Beals, but there were like 3 other better candidates.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I would have loved to have this when I was canvassing for Medicare for All a couple of months ago

https://twitter.com/clewisreports/status/1024709049043091457

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007


just don't believe it then.

gonna canvass for Nixon in Astoria tmrw b/c why not? Anything's better than that guy.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

grah posted:

It's because Stand United currently has an iron grip on the union leadership, and they've decided that the best way to get good contracts is to kiss as much rear end as possible. It's infuriating and really dangerous for the union long term. But there isn't any credible opposition. Progressive Action exists but hasn't performed well outside of a few small divisions.

Lol, the head of the NY police union was against reinstituting speed cameras in school zones, b/c it would deprive potential jobs for police officers.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Gonna canvass for Salazar on the 28th if anyone wants to join...

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Not with Cuomo in power.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

The attorney general debate yday was interesting, mostly as a way to see how much the other candidates feared Teachout. She was pummeled most of the running time, and she seemed kinda overwhelmed at the eagerness of her opponnents to go after her.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

btw here is my thread for the debate tonight: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3867271&perpage=40&pagenumber=1#pti3

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

zakharov posted:

Cuomo's strongest demographic is black New Yorkers and I'd love to read more about that.

Go with what you know. Politicians always gently caress you over, at least go with the one that hasn't explicitly gone out of their way to do so.

At least my two cents for Cuomo and Hillary in 2016, from my exp and ppl I know.

e: it's an extreme sense of cynicism, coupled with a completely justified fear of what politics might usher in.

Ofc not all black ppl are the same.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

gently caress at the Hochul number, she's as worthless as a D candidate can get.

Not happy about teachout either at 18.

e: Maloney is a weaponized tool of the real estate lobby.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I'm going straight line Nixon, Teachout, Williams, but if that means one of these corporate motherfuckers get in instead, gently caress

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Lol all the antisalazar attacks backfired.

Are the Tablet's board okay?!

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Turns out the voters wanted a new grifter instead of the old one. Wonder how long it takes her to join IDC Part Deux.

Alhazard

That's absurd

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Nothus posted:

If she votes for progressive legislation, who gives a poo poo? Politics is about getting your policies enacted not choosing a new best friend.


I'm a new NY resident and this was my first election here. Does the state not release precinct voting data? My county only lists county-wide vote totals.

It takes a while to come out, for reasons, stupid reasons AFAIK

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

grah posted:

Julia Salazar is cool and good until her record in government proves she is not, and at that point she will be replaced. There are no heros, no one is special. Everyone is corruptible by power, just elect people that want to do good and when they fail kick their asses out. It's not individuals but strong mass movements that change the world.

e: important to this post is the fact that Salazar is like a thousand times better than the piece of poo poo she replaced. If she fails, well, okay, next up. If not, hell yeah, Julia Salazar is my cool socialist friend.

Exactly.

Politicians are levers. I don't give a poo poo about anything they've done (unless it's harmed another person) as long they enact the agenda I want. And when they don't, it's time to get a new one.

Anyvay, I'm really bummed about the gap btw grassroot candidates and corporatist Dems in state-wide races. I mean Cuomo had a 25X funding advantage over Nixon, and I'm pretty sure Maloney only stepped in (with instant bux to flood the airwaves with his commercials) to kneecap Teachout upstate.

1. Corporatist Dems (funded by Wall St, real estate concerns, etc) have exponentially more money than genuine home grown Dems

2. Money decides elections, especially state and nation-wide. This effect is much more ameliorated in local races.

How does a non-corporate genuine leftist agenda and polity survive the shoals of our lovely electoral system?

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