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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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Paxman posted:Everyone should read this because it shows why it's important to elect a Labour leader who has the confidence of their MPs. Maybe people would have done if any of the other options had either left wing credentials or actual talent
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Mar 1, 2017 12:10
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The dirty money in London housing isn't Russian Some of it's Chinese too
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Mar 1, 2017 16:55
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Purging the yanks means we technically get to boot out BOZZA LEGERND, so therefore I'm all for it
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Mar 1, 2017 17:20
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forkboy84 posted:As thrilling as the page after page about the Labour leadership is, I'm not sure it really matters all that much. Regardless of who leads the party, the problems of who the gently caress their base is remains. How to cope with losing 40 odd MPs in Scotland, while still appealing to English voters who feel Scotland gets an unfair share of the pie. How to appeal to potential voters "worried about immigration" while not losing the overwhelmingly pro-EU people who voted Labour in 2015. Not to mention any boundary changes to be proposed next year and likely enacted before a 2020 general election and a whole host of other issues large and small.. You to forgot to mention that English people seem to be really quite eager to vote for increasingly naked authoritarianism.
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Mar 1, 2017 18:10
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We need PR now so we can get more great parties like this Although it means that Ukip would get like 50 seats or something which isn't ideal
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Mar 2, 2017 11:42
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The Donut posted:Would anybody like me to post a rant I've written about the Prison Service? (I work in the Prison Service and it might go some way to explain why staff have been on strike in the past and why future strikes/voluntarily withdrawing labour are probably inevitable unless Liz Truss/Conservatives get their poo poo together). 
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Mar 3, 2017 17:32
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kustomkarkommando posted:The SDLP has made a rights balls up of this. Finishing fourth on first preferences in south down, getting in last in mid ulster and SF topping the vote in Foyle by a huge margin This is bad for Corbyn
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Mar 3, 2017 18:18
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Taear posted:I'm northern and I work in a call centre so I speak to people from all over. But as soon as I go down to London it feels like nobody can understand me - I had a seriously hard time ordering any fast food at all for example. In place after place they'd just look at me baffled. Make Ober God-King of the South I'm sure everyone will understand
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Mar 5, 2017 12:09
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Menshevik Internationalist here. Can't wait to be strung along by whoever here is closest to Lenin and then shot like a dog in the street. ***It's the Russian way***
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Mar 6, 2017 22:33
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:Corbyn should be replaced with someone who can win an election and actually do some good in power Agreed Too bad that person doesn't exist yet, in any party
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Mar 7, 2017 15:49
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Cerv posted:how are you defining richest? the last quarter's published declarations had Labour drop to 3rd behind the Lib Dems in total donations. Labour gets the majority of its money from the size of its membership and the fact that Labour party membership is more expensive than others, not from donations.
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Mar 8, 2017 12:03
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OwlFancier posted:You can pay as much as you want, they just make recommendations. Lowest is £1 a month afaik. Its £3 month minimum, only less if you are a student or trade union member.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:09
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Certainly in my constituency the membership boost has led to the CLP making a profit month to month before other forms of fundraising so...
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Mar 8, 2017 15:52
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crispix posted:That old man Jeremy Corbyn man too busy fiddling his taxes and spending all the money on tacky ornaments from Sinn Féin's online shop to be bothered to do his job, I oughtn't not to wonder, I shouldn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeremy Corbyn's gonna ring your da'
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Mar 9, 2017 00:56
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Am I the only one who is finding how much flak the government is taking weird, over what feels like a "business as usual" budget? Like of all the things to criticise in this or previous budgets the "white van man" tax seems pretty small fry. Not that I'm complaining mind.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:14
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forkboy84 posted:People also seem quite mad about the return of grammar schools. I always like to point out to people that Thatcher of all people said introducing grammar schools were the biggest mistake the Tories ever made, for the simple fact that by definition you are pleasing 10% of the population and pissing off the other 90%.
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Mar 9, 2017 10:55
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A lot of this feels like the "Overreach" comments Phil Sandifer made about the right in relation to Milo getting kicked out of the alt-right club. Like, everything is completely hunky-dory despite all the horrible things going on, until suddenly one mistake causes everyone to turn on you overnight. May and Hammond must be wondering what the gently caress just happened after the media have been queuing up to give them blowjobs for the past 6 months. Meanwhile Alistair Heath in the Telegraph is screeching at a level that only dogs can hear: Alistair Heath posted:There are two kinds of politicians, in every country and at every time in history. There are individualists in the mould of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, who believe that our salaries and wages are rightfully ours, and that the state should take as little of them as possible.
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Mar 9, 2017 14:28
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Pochoclo posted:You'd think that Tories, of all people, would know just how much their voting base hates taxes. I think the Tories are genuinely worried about driving the country completely into the ground at this point, judging by the tax hike to pay for extra social care and that article about "blood in the streets". Unfortunately (for them) I think they have been consumed by their own hubris and bought into the idea that they could just keep on doing austerity and making themselves richer forever. Hopefully this is the chink in the armour that the media are now going to exploit.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:23
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Pochoclo posted:Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I meant more in the sense that they're worried that if they don't share the wealth a bit better, people in masks are going to start sharing it for them. And yeah, I think they are really hitting the wall in terms of things to cut, particularly if the media actually starts calling them out on it for once.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:06
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baka kaba posted:I wasn't really thinking of TV, unless you mean Question Time It would be pretty funny if the jury's response to every case was "The two of 'em should knock their 'eads together and SORT IT AAAAAAAAAAHT"
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Mar 9, 2017 19:42
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Another interesting story from the Telegraph, but in the other direction to Alistair Heath shrieking about how taxation is theft: Juliet Samuel is pretty much calling the Tories intellectually bankrupt:Juliet Samuel posted:Philip Hammond is worried about the tax take. This, we are told, is why he made the strategic blunder of pushing up taxes on the self-employed this week. Very interesting in that she goes on to say that tax cuts aren't going to solve the problem, and neither is following typical centre-left policy, which is why protectionism is emerging as pretty much the only card left in a lot of right-wing politicians hands.
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Mar 10, 2017 12:23
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Entropy238 posted:Is there a UKMT thread consensus on George Galloway? Good man or bad man? Probably something along the lines of "amusing idiot" with that picture of him meeting Saddam Hussein attached
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Mar 10, 2017 12:42
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TomViolence posted:I mean I agree with most of that but the last part, does that make me a weirdo leftist? I think it's more things like how he loves Assad because America doesn't and turned on dime from hating Saddam to praising him after the Gulf War. Basically West is Bad, so anyone who opposes the West is Good. Like how the really pro-tier tankies talk about North Korea sticking it to the imperialists.
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Mar 10, 2017 18:10
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Anyone else remember that weirdly well written and affecting article by Katie Hopkins about Hillsborough, that was like a bizarre cry for help in print form? That was loving weird.
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Mar 10, 2017 19:36
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Lightning Lord posted:As an outsider I have a question - are there any "sane Tories", or like the sane Republicans in America, were they chased out of politics/into Labour? There are certainly Tories who are pro-EU/migrants/whatever but they have either been forced into hiding because May is by all accounts a complete dictator, plus the fact that the current path seems to be be, you know, winning.
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Mar 11, 2017 11:40
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Tigey posted:Don't worry about it. I mean, even if the UK does completely implode I am sure the EU will take a generous and compassionate stance toward refugees from a neighbouring failed state Can't wait for France to build a concentration camp in the Channel Tunnel
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Mar 11, 2017 19:44
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Tesseraction posted:either that or it's dimmu borgir who I still have a soft spot for This is worse than voting Leave
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Mar 13, 2017 16:02
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learnincurve posted:Why do people assume people voted to leave because of racism? I'm sick of the London based media portraying the majority of the country as being ignorant racists because they want to leave Europe. Your average racist is fully aware that Asia isn't in Europe and that won't make any difference to immigration from those countries. If you want a more accurate stereotype then try " being sick of the UK paying in to prop up Eastern European countries who don't contribute poo poo" Source your quotes
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Mar 14, 2017 12:59
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Ask Canada about the First Nations too!
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Mar 14, 2017 13:19
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learnincurve posted:The big problem you/remainers have is that in the average northern town, people's lives were completely unaffected by the drop in the value of the pound. Stuff like white goods and televisions are still the same price in Argos, wilcos haven't raised prices, market stalls haven't increased the prices on fruit and veg, milk is still being priced artificially low, rents haven't gone up, there hasn't been a mass exodus of employers from the UK. What is it, one bank pulled out and it turned out that 99% of their employees were European? The predicted economic cataclysm has in fact, not happened. Gentle reminder: Brexit hasn't happened yet Also inflation has increased thanks to the falling value of the pound, so your line about prices increasing isn't even true anyway.
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Mar 14, 2017 14:07
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learnincurve posted:It makes it harder to argue for Brexit if one of the main remain arguments was that if we voted yes then we would all wake up in the morning to economic collapse. Sugar tax will make more of a difference to the poor than the impact the yes vote had. Did you know that you can make loads of money by going down the casino and betting your life savings on Red? There's no downside with this plan I can see
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Mar 14, 2017 14:30
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Also how many of the thread actually live in London? Some of the staunchest Remainers here are from the north of England, not to mention scotland
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Mar 14, 2017 15:20
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JFairfax posted:I did not vote in the EU referendum does that mean you are like half racist or something
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Mar 14, 2017 15:34
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big scary monsters posted:he's racist by birth but doesn't live there any more I outwardly talk about how great multiculturalism and inclusivity are but inside i'm wondering just why all those women in headscarves can't just speak English and I avoid the bits of town that have too many black people in them livin' the liberal dream
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Mar 14, 2017 15:47
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kustomkarkommando posted:I am not from London and voted remain - though I must admit I do eat humus and occasionally read the guardian Four years from now a GCHQ officer in a peaked cap and trenchcoat is going to interrogate you into confessing that you made this post When you are finally taken out with the others and lined up against the wall all you will feel is an oddly relaxing feeling of relief
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Mar 14, 2017 16:00
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I eat a bunch of kale because I am on a low carb diet, it's...fine? I guess? Greens are better and cheaper but more of a hassle to deal with since kale usually comes pre chopped in bags.
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Mar 14, 2017 16:04
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Tesseraction posted:But enough about the political party. Apparently the Greens in my area are full of right-wing Jill Stein-esque weirdos since all the left-wing people joined the Labour party after Corbyn won
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Mar 14, 2017 16:09
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Guavanaut posted:Mainstream environmentalism has a very strong conservative trend when you go deep enough and I'm not sure why people are so frequently surprised given that 90% of the premise is "wasn't it better when this was all countryside?" I would not be surprised if there's a bunch of "Real Women" transphobia going on and talking about doing things "naturally". As for Labour certainly in my constituency we've been making efforts to get left wing people in branch and CLP positions. All efforts at the minute are on the upcoming county council elections but after May I want to try and get the influx from the second leadership election involved, since the whole farce of the election and CLPs being shut down totally hosed recruitment and campaigning for a while and we haven't really recovered.
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Mar 14, 2017 16:34
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Isn't saying you like Sabra the best like saying your favourite Italian food restaurant is Pizza Hut
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Mar 14, 2017 17:06
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TinTower posted:It's part of the reason why I prefer STV, as it's both preferential and proportional. Geekery about quotas and fractional transfers aside, it's pretty simple for someone to grasp: "I'd like these people elected and in this order". Watch us finally get PR at some point only it's party list with like a 10% threshold for seats, so literally nothing changes except UKIP and the Lib Dems get way more seats and MPs don't have to give a poo poo about their constituencies anymore
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