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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition?
This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn 95 18.63%
Dennis Skinner 53 10.39%
Angus Robertson 20 3.92%
Tim Farron 9 1.76%
Paul Ukips 7 1.37%
Robot Lenin 105 20.59%
Tony Blair 28 5.49%
Pissflaps 193 37.84%
Total: 510 votes
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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Coohoolin posted:

What about the Swiss and Norwegians though.

WHAT ABOUT US.

blame your government for never properly joining the EU

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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forkboy84 posted:

I know the turnout was very high for the Lords, but who the gently caress are the 200 Lords who couldn't be arsed turning up for this vote?

about a quarter of those are on long term leave of absence

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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jabby posted:

Of course not. I mean a successor as in one who originates from the same wing of the party and has similar views on the important issues.

Also, McDonnell has a good policy of forcing people earning over 1m to publish their tax returns. Let's see how much attention it gets!

guardian doesn't seem to say - why the arbitrary cut off at £1M?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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jabby posted:

It's an easy figure to understand, and McDonnell does an awesome Dr Evil impression he's been dying to bust out.
Zero is also an easy figure
That'd be a simpler policy to inplementt

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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OwlFancier posted:

If your work has a manned reception I would recommend getting stuff delivered there if you can, receptions are great.

But now that everyone is doing that it's contributi greatly to congestion on the city roads.
Better to use an amazon locker out where you live.

Unless you live as central as your office, in which case it'll make no difference

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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namesake posted:

If they were uncertain enough to need to commit electoral fraud to get a win and have to campaign as the people who cheated last time then I can see them taking a big hit.

at the general the Tories were scared of losing to UKIP. post referendum and May setting them on a path to hard Brexit, that threat is dying. the uncertainty that led to them going all out and breaching spending limits isn't there.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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i'm seeing both those stories on the front page on the indy

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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A series of a dozen tweets is quite possible the least readable way of publishing that

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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OwlFancier posted:

The worst crime, a slightly untidy tax return.

joking aside, there is a big issue here. communication. they're consistently terrible at it, so whatever point they're attempting to make is lost.
like how hard would it be to look at the document before chucking it on twitter and think "this needs a few lines of explanatory notes cos of all the jargon"

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Spangly A posted:

lets just adopt stormont-style community rules but you declare whether you're a landlord or not

hoxha was right

that would make for some very strange bedfellows
Corbyn's still renting his place out isn't he?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Seaside Loafer posted:

First one I ever saw was the most tentacle rapey one I think ive ever seen. It was lets see ... 22 years ago and they randomly started letting the hard 18 rated anime films in computer game shops for some reason, so it had the famous motorbike one with Kaneda and Tetsuo but it also had this. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108461/ . That's like 2 of hours demons raping young looking girls. That was a bit of an eye opener and no mistake.

I've considered anime as an art form objectively over the years and tbh it does seem to have a tiny bit of raping and young girls and stuff. Just saying.

for some reason the sci-fi channel quite often put that in their middle of night anime filler slot. which i would tape and watch on a sunday afternoon when i was like 12
never wiped a tape quicker in my life


anyway, since people were talking about Lib Dems again, it might come as no surprise that their newest MP is a bit poo poo
http://www.citymetric.com/fabric/we-re-not-building-skyscrapers-stratford-protect-views-richmond-park-2854

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pesmerga posted:

That's a bit of a poo poo reason not to support him. It's like saying we shouldn't support the disabled because they're portrayed as scroungers.

You've missed "allowed himself"

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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JFairfax posted:

I think women should not allow themselves to get raped

i find that quite a distasteful comparison, and denigrating to victims of rape

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pissflaps posted:

My point was that dismissing somebody's opinion because they're a 'science man', and using such a term to disparage them, is foolish.

it stinks of a kind of Trump-ian anti-intellectualism

combined with mocking disability it starts to look like a pattern

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Darth Walrus posted:

The surge in membership has made Labour the richest party in the U.K.. How's that a bad thing?

how are you defining richest? the last quarter's published declarations had Labour drop to 3rd behind the Lib Dems in total donations.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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namesake posted:

I know NICs all have this weird cap but it's so loving irritating and pointless; is there really any value to not have it operate closer to normal taxation?
inertia basically

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Don't need to ban anime. Just all you posting about it

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pissflaps posted:

I think labour could attack the fact that the Tories have broken a manifesto promise without necessarily attacking the concept of increased NICs for the self employed.

NIC increases for self employed should be conditional on closing all the loopholes abused to pretend employees are self-employed.
otherwise Hammond's offering a tax cut on Uber against a tax rise for Uber drivers. a preposterous proposal.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Igiari posted:

I got one of the Funny Old World stories in Private Eye this month.

You are the Revolutionary Alliance of Men That Women Find Unnatractive?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Is Galloway aware that he is white?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Galloway used to have a few fans in the thread. Have they all left?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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forkboy84 posted:

Plus, Britain is much less racist than Australia and I'd tend to value something like that quite highly.

it's about the same really. it just takes different forms so it stands about more to you than the background noise you're used to

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pissflaps posted:

He could hope Scots continue to not want another referendum?




This game of processing Corbyn's ramblings into something approaching an opinion is always fun.

He could even have mentioned that a clear majority don't want one

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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JFairfax posted:

why would he hope there isn't?

he believes that people have a right to referenda if they want them, if the scots want it, let them have it.

Do you understand that yes not asked these things in a personal capacity, but as the representative of the party?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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forkboy84 posted:

Staying in the EEA without any say in what it does is a very poo poo idea.

A thousand times better than being rapidly transitioned out of the EEA though

And also would be in keeping with the manifesto the government was elected on.

Cerv fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Mar 14, 2017

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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mfcrocker posted:

What does delaying this bill for a year achieve? The government is literally never accepting these amendments; if they were, they'd have done it in the face of a 100 peer defeat.

Events can still derail hard Brexit. A worsening economy could force Tories to come to their senses. And the longer it rumbles on, the clearer it will be that ministers have no plan. At every point progressives must fight, from securing pension rights for EU nationals who have paid taxes here for years to staying in Europol so we don’t see a recreation of the Costa del Crime.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pochoclo posted:

In the meantime, it's now legal to fire people for wearing islamic headscarves and stuff. Legalised religious discrimination, nothing can possibly go wrong.

Still illegal under UK law. (With exception if you can demonstrate a genuine health & safety reason)

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Jose posted:

lol May will happily destroy the UK economy before brexit if she thinks hard brexit is popular and things would get really bad/interesting once it happens

tories plural
one thing they're good at is removing leaders who've lost their backing

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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feedmegin posted:

In addition to everyone else pointing out you don't know how the gently caress our constitution works and/or have time travelled from 1910, you realise the government could do exactly what it threatened to do back then and get the Queen to appoint as many pro-Brexit Lords as are necessary to vote things through? You may want to read a GCSE History textbook, just saying.

if your history text book doesn't cover why no government has ever actually stuffed the Lords to that extent, you could have a look at the recent news reports from shortly after Cameron's lot won the last general election but were left with a minority in the upper house.

it's not actually that easy to appoint lots in a short period of time. and would cause a lot of problems down the line.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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MikeCrotch posted:

Apparently the Greens in my area are full of right-wing Jill Stein-esque weirdos since all the left-wing people joined the Labour party after Corbyn won

Give it another couple of months and they'll all be back

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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jabby posted:

However much you disagree with Labour's stance on the referendum result, nothing they can possibly do in opposition comes close to what the Lib Dems did while in power.

Less than half the population go to uni at any point in their lives. Everyone is going to suffer a hard brexit.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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OwlFancier posted:

I mean if he wants to adopt the Tory policy of putting the lib dems in a gimp suit and riding them around the commons before nicking all their voters I wouldn't complain.

I wouldn't suggest actually listening or trying to co-operate with them though.
"nicking all their voters" didn't happen
2010 Lib Dem went to 2015 Labour several times over more than went Tory

which dropped the LD vote down to 2nd place or lower all over the south, but didn't raise the Labour vote up to 1st. allowing the Tories to win seats.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Undead Hippo posted:

I'd be happy with either Kier Starmer or Clive Lewis. They both seem not poo poo.

starmer's a lawyer and acts like a lawyer.
do you really see him talk technical details about the legal process of Brexit and think he's an inspiring, charismatic figure? i'm not disputing your description of "not poo poo" - i'll vote for the guy come May 2020 - but don't think he's right to lead the party

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Oh dear me posted:

I could quibble with details in your list (for example I don't think Labour were responsible for the shifting attitude to gay rights which is hardly limited to these shores, and your claims about the Overton window are backwards), but I think my main objection to your argument is that you ignore opportunity cost altogether.

Under FPTP governments oscillate between two main parties (whose identity may change once a century or so). By 1997 the Tories were going to lose to anyone. For similar reasons, if Labour had won in 2005 it is unlikely they'd have won in 2010. Every minute Blairites are in power pissing away socialist opportunities is a minute closer to the next Tory victory. If the alternative to the Tories does not take serious steps to undo their work, it's basically just a Tory PR exercise taking over for them when they've disgraced themselves a bit too much.

by 1992 the Tories were going to lose to anyone. then they didn't

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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baka kaba posted:

Not so much though apparently



*squints* looks like about... 33.33337% more Labour than Tory

how have they got those numbers? it's not in line with what I've seen anywhere else, e.g.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/Analysis_votermigration.html

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Pissflaps posted:

Can an expert in Dutch politics fact check this for me please I don't trust this guy.
it's about time someone brought mccaine back

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Lord of the Llamas posted:

Naturally Sadiq Khan came out with an incisive and witty..

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/842699604596576256

Oh.

lol

can applaud him at least for leaving the PR staff general guidance to be polite about even people you don't like, and work the mayor's own hashtag into everything. but they've dropped the ball on that one.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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speaking of "stopping the wave of right wing populism sweeping the globe"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/17/tony-blair-launches-pushback-against-frightening-populism

Tony Blair is launching a “new policy platform to refill the wide open space in the middle of politics” aimed at combating a “frightening authoritarian populism” that he says is undermining west’s belief in democracy.

The former prime minister said his new Institute for Global Change was more than a thinktank since it would aim to arm front-rank politicians with strategies and policies to rebuild the centre, and combat populism caused by a cultural and economic revolt against the effects of globalisation.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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jBrereton posted:

The SPD, Democratic Party in Italy, Socialist Party of Portugal have all increased their vote share relative to the immediate post-crash era. So those might be a start.

might as well pencil in En Marche! too since he's winning the presidency in 7 weeks

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

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Prince John posted:

Interesting disparity between the real and the imagined level of expected acceptance there.

Still a bizarre question though, who the gently caress wants to talk about their sexuality at work?

i'd have thought better of you. that's such a shortsighted attitude.
what does talking about your sexuality at work mean? it means being able to engage in perfectly normal office conversation like "did you go anywhere nice on your two weeks off" without constantly second guessing pronouns to hide the gender of your partner.

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