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aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Mercrom posted:

I think I've seen as many or more anti-feminist youtube women than any other youtube women. I don't think this is really a mark against youtube MRAs or the alt-right in particular.

I browse mostly informative, factual Youtube channels. Stuff like Numberphile and Sixty Symbols have women on sometimes and Kurzgesagt has women working on it, but overall the male exclusivity trend extends to legitimate Youtube intellectuals. Are there any notable exceptions?

Anita Sarkeesian :laugh:

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aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

System Metternich posted:

Sargon's on a roll today:

https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/861589168840945664

(it's the fascist paramilitary Azov battalion :ssh:)

Lol in the replies someone tries to give him cover by saying "he's just joking about how antifa are fascists!" Then Sargon adds:

https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/861590798441340928

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

bessantj posted:

One thing I've noticed about quite a few of these 'intellectuals' they tend to take 30 minutes where 5-10 would have been more than enough. Is there a reason for this other than they're gibbering wrecks?

Longer videos means more ads they can put in?

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

bessantj posted:

It's maddening, I've seen it in Sargon videos, thunderf00t did it a lot in his Sarkeesian videos. I keep thinking "Yeah, you already said." half the time when I watch their videos.


That does make sense. Wish they'd include more topics or expand on what they are talking about.

I think you're expecting a bit too much from people whose primary occupation is whining about women on the internet

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

mojo1701a posted:

I love the complaints about now not being able to be hired as a result of a hate speech arrest. Isn't the whole point of "free speech" is that it allows others to call you a prick if you are in fact acting like a prick?

"Free speech" means "I can do and say anything I want without any consequences" to these people

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
The Nazi dog is about as much of a "joke" as PDP's poo poo. What I'm saying is PewDiePie should be in jail.

I feel like we've had this conversation before, Midig. Just cause you think saying offensive things is a joke doesn't necessarily make it so, and doesn't insulate you from criticism. See: Michael Richards, Daniel Tosh.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
*teaches 2-year old child to say "Hitler was good"*

*makes YouTube video called "Woah, that baby's a Nazi!"*

*gets child taken away by CPS*

"It was just a joke! He doesn't know what it means! What about my free speech?!!"

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Midig posted:

Of course most jokes are hurtful in some way.

No, they're really not. You have a very strange concept of comedy

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Midig posted:

Well, I guess if you took what I said literally and ignored the context you might think that there is an almost infinite amount of hypothetical jokes that are not sexist, homophobic, racist, offensive, unsympathetic etc. and it was wrong of me to not point that out, but being charitable is not your strong suit.

This is incredibly dumb, even for you.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Midig posted:

They exist. They just tend to be really boring and are reserved for forced interactions.

Wow, suddenly I understand all of your posts in this thread

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

OwlFancier posted:

I guess that also doesn't really seem very socialist..? I mean to be honest I don't even know if Affirmative Action is what I'd call socialist, it's good, but it seems like a pretty specific solution to a problem and I'd probably say if anything it seems more like a liberal style solution. A socialist solution would be like, integrated unionization or something.

Generally it seems that when Americans talk about Socialism what they really mean Nordic-style generous welfare programs and policies, not like, state ownership of the means of production.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

OwlFancier posted:

Yeah but even social democracy is, like, universal. The NHS doesn't have a sign on the door that says no blacks no irish.

Remember that the alt-right literally wants to create a white ethnostate. Richard Spencer wants a :airquote:peaceful:airquote: ethnic cleansing of the country. It's not just that they don't want to share government benefits with non-whites, they want a nation without non-whites period.

E: ^^^ also that

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
The game he's referring to isn't made by Notch, it's called The Last Night and it's made by a big gamergater. He described the game as being about a future where "progressivism has spiraled out of control."

E:^^ Jesus, no wonder no one likes him

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

NikkolasKing posted:

I still don't know anything about Gamergate apart from the rampant misogyny and supplementary racism. I mean, I know it ostensibly started with Zoe Quinn and a dickhead ex but most of what I've heard about it relates to Anita Sarkeesian.

I just decided to wait for Ms. Quinn's book. I hope everyone is planning to grab that up when it comes out in September.

Why is this rear end in a top hat rich, though? Is it from the reactionaries? They give Sargon and Jordan Peterson and otehrs over $100,000 a month so they could conceivably set this bastard up for life too I guess.

Notch made Minecraft and sold it to Microsoft for billions of dollars. He's set for life but it won't ever make him happy.

NLJP posted:

Oh no really? The trailer looked so loving cool :( What a shame

Yeah, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

rkajdi posted:

He's also apparently become a better person, so I'm willing to not poo poo on his game until I actually see some stuff come out that's actually playable. I do know it's 100% off the pre-order possibility, which is sort of the kiss of death for most games given the awful way they are handled now. The hearts that have to be won are the devs and studioes. Regardless of how much the manchild neckbeards want titty/genocide simulator 2020 if no devs are willing to make beside some half-assed asset flippers on Steam, they aren't going to get a AAA version.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ombrophilia/status/874054576323809280

Not saying it's impossible, but it's weird how him supposedly being a better person only comes up when there might be financial ramifications for his shittyness :shrug:

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Gorn Myson posted:

This sounds like it could be really funny in all the wrong ways though. Right now I'm just picturing a story about a guy trying to overthrow a government so he can say the n-word without judgement. The epilogue is him sexually harassing his love interest in an elevator.

Speaking of which, I'm a bit surprised no ones made a game of Harrison Bergeron yet, it seems like a perfect fit for how these people see themselves.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

boner confessor posted:

the culture war is just an internet turf war. if you step away from the internet for a bit none of this poo poo is real or matters - the base issues like institutional misogyny sure are, but like 96% of americans dont give a poo poo at all about SJWs ruining video games or whatever gamergate is furious about. like the epic memelord who was booted out of the alt right rally for being obnoxious, these are people who spend so much time online that the lines between that and offline reality are very blurry. i blame smartphones for enabling internet addicts to have a source of addict supply constantly

Agreed.

Posted from my iPhone.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

boner confessor posted:

r/fatpeoplehate, just redditors posting pictures of fat people and mocking them endlessly. there was a particular focus on heavy women, extra so if she had dyed hair or other things that young people do, so it wasn't just about weight shaming but also weird misogyny and was a stealth platform for whining about SJWs

a lot of other redditors found this subreddit distasteful and i believe at some point it was banned for violating harassment policies? at which point tons of people melted down about freeze peach like a for profit company needs to enable people to post pictures of people without their consent and mock them repetitively

Don't forget about how redditors blamed the ban on one of its female executives when really she was one of the only ones opposed to the ban

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

No Fap is due to the belief/theory the whole fapping releases testosterone and fapping too much releases too much testosterone from your body and makes you "weak"

This is also what Trump thinks of exercise, iirc

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

OwlFancier posted:

What is "tumblr liberalism" in this context and why is it bad?

Because the only use of it I've ever come across can at absolute worst be described as faintly tedious if you have no reason to care about it.

Yeah this thread seems really close to just dunking on Garrison stereotypes of SJWs. Like this:

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

They're also the ones setting precedent for people to yell that criticism is racism or whatever. They really do less than nothing to preserve the world they want

Isn't a thing among any person who matters. Y'all are just giving legitimacy to people who characterize any and all social justice activism as just neon-haired, screeching harpies.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
Ah good, we've reached the point where we tell women they're doing feminism wrong, cool

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Groovelord Neato posted:

lol when i told a guy fury road was more feminist than wonder woman i was accused of mansplaining.

(it also is more feminist so don't pull that bullshit)

Gosh, surely art can't mean different things to different people, my interpretation is the only correct one, beep boop

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Fados posted:

Tumblr SJWs are to liberals what Ayn Rand devotees are to free-market republicans

This is pretty dumb. The speaker of the house used to make his interns read Atlas Shrugged and there are Randian true believers with immense financial resources to toss around in the political realm. There are no "SJWs" that have such power and influence, and acting like they're at all comparable is a gross exaggeration.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

business hammocks posted:

Does the SJW left have its own set of public figures? Except for Richard Spencer, the public reactionary right seems mostly made up of grifters like our boy Sargon who's living large on his $60,000 a year, plus maybe some dumb teens like the guy dating Laci Green. Maybe I'm forgetting someone, but I can't think of anyone who I'd name as a leading light of the youtube SJW left.

Anita Sarkeesian, duh

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Groovelord Neato posted:

destiny did a debate with her and holy poo poo is she dumb as a box of hammers. also why do these people ALL having loving annoying voices. you'd think at least one of these guys or gals would have a smooth, seductive voice to lure me over to the dark side.

If only Markiplier made good, interesting videos instead of dumb LP stuff, cause goddamn does he have an amazing voice

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Praseodymi posted:

It might also be that Gal Gadot is former IDF, and trying to make your imperialist armed forces representative is like arch-liberal-feminism.

Israel had mandatory military service

Welp, guess we can't have any Israeli actors at all then

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Maluco Marinero posted:

There are plenty of male characters that fall into "broken Mary Sue fanfic" mode. Who cares?

And for the record, this includes Luke freaking Skywalker

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
Can everyone just stop using the term Mary Sue in general, it's really stupid to use it outside of the context of self-inserts and fan fiction, and an obviously gendered insult at that.

Basically, gently caress Max Landis

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

The guy got extremely lucky in the A New Hope and had Obi-Wan guiding him the entire time and Han had to bail him out in the Leia Rescue (Leia out of the three heroes being the most competent interestingly) and at the end by blowing up the Death Star.

In the Empire Strikes Back he narrowly survived the battle of Hoth wrecking his ship in the process, messed up his training with Yoda and ran off to save his friends and failed leading to Han being frozen in Carbonite and losing a duel with Vader losing his hand.

Only in Return of the Jedi did he approach the broken Mary Sue level with the rescuing of Han from Jabba and even then he had his team backing him up. At the end he hosed up again and nearly succumbed to the Dark Side and only really won because Vader had enough and bodyslammed the Emperor down the exhaust pipe.

Rey on the other hand is like a video game character come to life and succeeds in becoming a Jedi in a couple of days and never fucks up which makes for a boring protagonist.

Rouge One is a better film than the Force Awakens because at least Jyn is an actual character and not just a audience surrogate for little kids.

He does not just "get lucky," he uses space magic that he just learned about to make a shot that even the best pilot couldn't make, flying a space ship with only a single throwaway line to explain how he knows how to do it at all. He doesn't just narrowly escape the battle of hoth, he takes down an AT-AT pretty much single handedly. He goes toe to toe with Darth Vader in a fight in Jedi despite yoda never training him with a light saber.

yeah yeah, :goonsay: I'm done now

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aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Maluco Marinero posted:

I kinda regret comparing the treatment of competent female characters vs their male counterparts given the amount of Star Wars discussion it triggered, but it is kind of telling that rather than address the broader point it devolved into arguing the mechanics of plot & particular films ad infinitum. Y'know it's okay for pieces of art to be flawed mechanically, especially pop culture art for mass consumption which is almost guaranteed to be. The constant droning on about plot mechanics to validate this or that is why cinema criticism has become such a wasteland.

Nerds on the internet like to argue about Star Wars? Well I never :v:

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Yeah people get shot in the back of the head at 4am for no real reason

Lmao :fuckoff:

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Verisimilidude posted:

Aggressively bad, alt-right, mush-mouthed YouTuber "The Atheist Gamer" (the guy who doxxes preteen girls, hates women (except for those demure Asian women, you see), and made a video about how making GBS threads your pants is a normal thing for a twenty-something to do) makes a video about how his subscribers don't support him enough, and maybe if they paid him more money on Patreon he'd finally be able to stop living with his mommy.

https://youtu.be/xfq0MJyiV4U

Also he made another video about how he's leaving the skeptic community because he doxxed someone and they got mad, but it's their fault for not being more accepting of him and his radical ideas on feminism (that, for example, "it's bad").

Uhhh, come again?

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
"RARGH YOU CANT HARASS WOMEN ON YHE INTERNET"

"Hey, that's your opinion. I just want to talk about ethics in game journalism, but whatever. Looks like you've got some growing up to do."

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
Going back to Maddox for a minute, here he is with a bunch of nazis
https://mobile.twitter.com/VoxProvidence/status/878625581994090496
So that's cool

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

rkajdi posted:

Uh, Rand had incredibly crazy things to say on the front of fairly basic feminist things like consent. Just read the Fountainhead. The idea that Libertarians are level-headed comes from listening to the 4.99 minutes before the crazy starts to come out of every orifice. In the experience I have with Libertarians, most would have been rep pillers if the philosophy was around back then. It attracts dregs, and dregs are looking for any reason why they are human failures besides themselves.

Is that the one where a man rapes a woman and the woman falls in love with him because he "takes what he wants" or something like that?

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Lightning Lord posted:

It's more than just "gay". It's specifically because he's flamboyant and young people identify with him in addition to his being gay. Like no one cares about Andrew Sullivan (before he "betrayed the right") or any standard Log Cabin Republican.

Also, he gave them validation for anti-lgbtq beliefs, telling people he gave them "permission" to say fag and that gay people were better off when they were forced to stay in the closet, not to mention all of the gross things he's said about trans people.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Dreylad posted:

i'm not going to watch that video or anything but I'll take the radical viewpoint that I don't think a media organization should be in the business of doxxing people.

They didn't doxx anyone.

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Sneakster posted:

The backlash was it being trash and disinterest, and then Sony hired an internet street team to start a bunch of flame wars.

Did you know that HR is there to protect the company, not you?

Perhaps nobody cares about a junk movie making GBS threads on a classic just because it has women, and the studio might be so cynical that they're willing to drum up the idea that female leads is why everyone hates it, and not because its dumb loud stupid poo poo in a desperate attempt to make make it controversial to drum up ticket sales?

Celebrities sometimes say things they don't mean because of contractual obligations.

:captainpop:

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Raenir Salazar posted:

I don't understand the huge number of youtube comments along the lines of "He said it because he was frustrated so it's okay, he said it towards another white person so he's not racist and why would it be racist anyways because black people say it to each other all the time."

An unfortunate amount of people genuinely believe that you cannot be racist unless you have explicit intent to do so. And also, they realllllly want to say the n-word.

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aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016

Mr Interweb posted:

Okay, finished watching. Probably the highlight of that interview was the Google guy saying that managers at Google keep a "blacklist" of conservative employees that they share with managers of other large companies to prevent conservatives from being hired. :lol:

https://twitter.com/jamesadamore/status/908016532835287040
Considering he doesn't seem to understand how Google works I can't imagine he was that great at his job. Maybe the problem here, James... is you.

Also his twitter bio: "Nerd centrist interested in open discussions and improving the world by fixing perverse incentive structures. Author of the pro-diversity #GoogleMemo." God what an insufferable prick.

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