Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

She only uses the lasso twice.

And only one of those instances is even remotely horny.

Tenzarin posted:

Why did people hate MoS?

Jimbot posted:

Did Man of Steel ruin your life or something?

Davros1 posted:

It was better than MoS and BvS, so maybe Jenkins should save the DC?

Wandle Cax posted:

Jenkins didn't direct the action in this movie. Don't you know how major blockbusters are made? This film had the same 2nd unit director and stunt coordinator as Mos, BvS, and Justice League.

Wandle Cax posted:

But no, a director known for small scale drama films was not chosen for her expertise in fight choreography and action scenes for this $200 whatever million film!

Wandle Cax posted:

Whoa buddy calm down there. Of course she was directing such pivotal scenes involving key character moments and things like that, she is the director of the film. All I am saying which I did not think would cause such a meltdown is that director is not solely responsible for staging and filming all action scenes in a film like this which apparently is not common knowledge, and that a statement like i guess the action in this movie sucks because Jenkins is not proficient at directing action is a bit simplistic.

well why not posted:

Directors direct everyone, including the second unit directors. They're still responsible for everything filmed, ultimately.

Ferrinus posted:

What I'm not seeing here is reference to any specific mistake or deficiency.

Mr. Apollo posted:

You also see her outfit in the streets on London. She starts to take over her hooded overcoat and Steve saying something like "What are you doing?! You're not wearing anything!" and wraps her back up and takes her to the dress shop where they meet Etta.
The ~*~official novelization~*~ has a slightly different take on it. They make it seem like there's some sort of link between the two as he's flying away and she's able to understand what he was saying because of what he's feeling.

mary had a little clam posted:

"Overrated" = "Ugh, these plebes keep liking this thing I don't like." Quick, you also have to describe it as "irrelevant".

WW obviously meant something to a lot of people. It felt fresh to me, toyed with some different ideas. I liked the smaller scale (even though it had Greek gods, it was about a chemical weapon in a human war). Maybe it's not a master feminist subversion of the entire genre, but it was different enough to make a difference. Even if you think WW is overrated, it certainly feels much different than the JL trailer. From the trailer (I could be wrong), JL looks like the same samey joyless slog we've been getting since Avengers became the go-to template you're legally required to follow unless you're Deadpool. Apparently JL is going to be about an ensemble of wise-cracking heroes trying to stop a cosmic evil from sending shock troops to Earth to steal the All-Powerful infinityer, Mother Boxes. So fresh!

So are you saying Justice League looks like better pop art than Wonder Woman or did you just see the Someone Complimented Nolan Signal in the sky and deployed to set the record straight for all us imbeciles who thought Dark Knight was pretty good?

OldTennisCourt posted:

Why are you such a miserable gently caress about everything

OldTennisCourt posted:

I mean, cool joke and all, but it still doesn't explain why you complain and act miserable in like 99.99% of threads you participate in.

Comstar posted:

I've no confidence in the Justice League movie though. I was surprised to see Zack Synder wrote this one, but I fear his finger prints will be still too much muddying the picture still.

dont even fink about it posted:

It is the narrative of "DCU is showing renewed promise!" against the narrative of "DC's MCU ripoffs are pathetic!", neither of which are really true.

teagone posted:

I'm a huge Cameron fanboy, but his comment about Wonder Woman being a step backward was dumb. This tweet sums up why really well.
https://twitter.com/dceufacts/status/900951552696893440

CelticPredator posted:

This film showed Hollywood that women can and should direct big budget action films.

teagone posted:

Schwarzwald posted:

It's pretty damning that your wrote six paragraphs about why Wonder Woman was a step forward and never once talked about the contents of the film.

teagone posted:

All kids, especially little girls, can relate to Diana's relationship with her aunt and mother, and the sisterly-bond that all Amazons share. They all can aspire to be like Diana with her inherent kindness in the film, of how accepting she is of every individual, no matter who they are, seeing them as equal citizens of the world. One would hope a little girl or boy would actually have someone like that in their life, be it their father, mother, brother, or whoever, that they can look up to.

To bolster this:
https://twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/874034832430424065
The Elektra and Catwoman movies likely didn't resonate with kids as well as Wonder Woman's character did. Maybe. I don't believe they did, unless you can convince me otherwise.

MariusLecter posted:

WW is basically a goddess.

Lord_Magmar posted:

I take issue with the idea that having a replacement for Jesus is a bad thing, because the purpose of the bible as an actual work is to teach people how to live a happy and wholesome life with other people. So long as you can teach people these messages it really doesn't matter the shape it takes form in, and using things children are interested in allows the message to resonate more fully with the audience who benefit most from these messages.

Especially given Religion largely could be considered pop culture of our own ancient past,

Inescapable Duck posted:

Though a replacement for Jesus Christ might be necessary given how most established religion is, despite the flavour text of love and caring, a hollowed-out shell for patriarchal sexism, bigotry, greed and xenophobia as far as many people under 30 are concerned.

BrianWilly posted:

I believe the whole demigod thing comes from the fact that Hippolyta is a (magical, ageless) mortal. Children of gods and mortals are usually considered demigods (and sometimes not even that) until they attain some kind of further apotheosis (which Diana arguably does, by the end of this film).
Media both reflects and affects culture. A progressive state of cinema can indicate progressive social trends and mindsets (and a regressive one, vice versa), and can likewise influence the direction of said social trends and mindsets.

BrianWilly posted:

Not quite, because there are different social stigmas and expectations facing men and women. One could argue that men in general could stand to exhibit a little less unwarranted machismo -- see, even the word itself is male-oriented -- while women in general could stand to exhibit a bit more.

In other words, we are not equal until we are all afforded the same opportunities to be equally mediocre.

Lord_Magmar posted:

Religion was mostly a method by which a singular person or group of people could control their society so that everyone else would have to listen to them and do what they want. At least modern pop culture doesn't hoard knowledge or the ability to understand it, unlike most ancient religions and especially Christianity where only the Church and those it deemed worthy were taught to read and write in the language of it's holy book.

And modern mass entertainment can still have a message or lesson, to ignore this possibility leaves you incapable of receiving anything from said entertainment besides hedonistic enjoyment, and you don't even appear to get that.

Karloff posted:

Maybe you should be silent and listen to women when they argue for what they do and don't appreciate in popular cinema. Instead of trying to intellectually justify why "actually, there's been plenty of films with women in, so maybe that's enough".

BrianWilly posted:

Yaws posted:

Little girls showing appreciation for a female superhero on the Big Screen is a step forward.

Sorry, I know being a bitter cynical misanthrope is sorta your thing and an idea like that probably throws you into a tissy but it's noteworthy.

Yaws posted:

Oh god a loving tweet containing some anecdotes about the positive effects of Wonder Woman?!?! This travesty can't go unchallenged! It didn't happen! It doesn't matter! Those little girls don't know what they're talking about! I, the fat virginal nerd will show them the light!

BrianWilly posted:

A standard wherein a story about a woman or a minority can't just be a story about a woman or a minority to be something extraordinary but also has to pass all those other gratuitous hoops and tests.

Where Wonder Woman the film is progressive is that it says a story about a woman can be exactly this -- nothing more and nothing less -- and that's exactly what it should be because female stories have in fact been denied permission to be exactly this up until now.