Cingulate posted:

Bottom line is, it's really hard for a society in the 1st world to experience something as bad as what you can experience in the 3rd world. Even when you factor in tragic disasters like this one. Not much of a consolidation for Texans drowning right now I assume, but if you're not directly affected, that's still the facts.

mynnna posted:

It's starting to sound like that Arkema chemical plant - the one that's ready to explode "soon" - maybe hasn't done as much as they could have, going by what I heard on Maddow tonight. Seems (obviously, in hindsight) that there are compounds that will neutralize the peroxides and other nasty poo poo and thus mitigate the danger of explosion if they go outside a safe temperature range. The fact that their CEO is conceding explosion is pretty likely to happen suggests that "for some reason", they didn't do that.


...considering the unregulated corporate love-fest that Texas is, I'm going to go ahead and guess that that's because Texas law/regulations don't require them to.

Kale posted:

So it's come to threatening other users with hell dump now. What the actual honest to god gently caress thread in all honesty now? I think I'm probably out of this poo poo straight up. I don't need this to descend to that level of personal beef thank you very much. If you have you to straight up threaten other users like that then fine I'll "take the L" and be done with it because it's not worth that much to me in the long run to me if people want to escalate it to that level. Just remember I'm not the one that threatened other users with helldump to try to score a win DJT style.

Kale posted:

but see you keep going which really just continues to tell me your here for a fight and little else. Also please explain to me where I told you to stop threatening me so much as to point out the obvious that that is precisely what your doing and show me exactly where I did the same?

Kale posted:

Really cause I thought it was just attacking people for 3 pages over a quote highlighting a crucial point MLK made. For a timeline of events this is the post and reply that started all of this:




and it just kind of snowballed from there into people now threatening hell dump on other users that actually agree with them on the front of racism and nazis in 2017=bad.

Kale posted:

And your problem is being dogshit at interpreting what others are saying in the worst possible light and not just accepting that what the person actually implied was the total opposite of what your saying when they've said it what...5 times now? Like seriously have you ever just considered that maybe that's it, maybe you just blew it on the interpretation completely and utterly?

Kale posted:

Why is it important to me that people actually understand where I stand on something instead of allowing a misrepresentation to fester for another day where people can try to attack me on it again when they feel like getting down and personal and attacking other users? Why wouldn't it be? Maybe other posters don't care if others completely misrepresent theirs and other words constantly but I do. They even tried to do it again with the "you people" thing which was obviously meant to refer to posters that attacking other posters by trying to re-characterize it as some sort of race baiting thing. Not cool goons.

Koalas March posted:

Kale posted:

I wasn't aware I did either nor felt that way. If I was desperate for people to like me I'd be "taking the L" and just following along with the herd on things instead of actually going back and following the chain of convinces and maybe considering the possibility that the person claiming to have been misinterpreted might have actually been misinterpreted. I'm fully content with simply not being misquoted and misrepresented but if people choose to like me or my company that's definitely a nice bonus and absolutely a preference.


I somehow doubt that. A couple days later it's likely somebody else being attacked and misrepresented completely. As I've tried to point out while people are busy posting sassy reaction memes it's not like it's just me getting this poo poo often.

Chilichimp posted:

Just figured I'd resurrect this loving gem.

Kale posted:

Yes the arguing around in circles with no potential of a resolution thing really is stupid to me. The soul searching that America is trying to do in the aftermath of Charlottesville (that happened literally a day after ) and trying to figure it's poo poo out I made that post is something that I think definitely needs to happen though. Sorry I just don't think things get resolved and people's quality of life improves by flinging poo poo at each other on the internet and forcing discussions about identity politics into places where they have no place.

Kale posted:

I really am honestly amazed myself at the level to which this escalated looking back over the last 5 pages.

In retrospect I would have probably done and said a few things differently because I just figured people would be like "Oh my bad I see what you meant by that post now" instead of doubling down and doubling down and doubling down until now we're concocting a narrative where I'm a racist and a /pol/ plant troll. I understand that's what happens now and will be making note of it in the future that that's just what happens no matter what you say or do. When people dig in they dig in loving hard here, it's almost admirable in a way.

Thanks for the advice, it definitely tracks now.

Kale posted:

Nope I'm burying the hatchet now. I don't like it but since somebody finally made a convincing argument after like 5 pages it's time. Go attack someone else and get them to tell you about it now.

Kale posted:

Okay how about this. That post with the youtube video could have used more clarification and clearly didn't come across as intended and may have been tone deaf and admittedly I don't understand why still but whatever, I guess it's possible to interpret that as saying racism isn't an important topic if I'm a really cynical person that thinks every other person is up to no good somehow. However I still stand by believing that people should not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character and that what color a persons skin is will never ever matter to me so much as how they treat me and others around them and what their values and beliefs are. I'm definitely not changing that viewpoint because it's the way I lived my whole life and it's just common sense to me.

Also I already donated to GDQ's Hurricane Katrina fund which I think is the most urgent action is needed atm and frankly I don't trust the U.S government to properly earmark the funds that are going to be necessary for cleanup and recovery.


Hey just going with the flow and one the threads favorite topics we can all agree on. It's also kind of hard to pivot to a position you already kind of hold knowing it'll never be good enough for the user base anyway and they're clearly dead loving set on believing your a neo-nazi sympathizing racist no matter what.


Now that's cheeky.

Kale posted:

If Trumps being a poo poo in Texas tomorrow like he almost certainly will be and making headlines and people are still just making GBS threads on each other for no reason and calling out posts people made in other forums to poo poo on them and reacting to those instead of talking about the news and Trump that's when I say gently caress it to this thread and chalk it up as a lost cause.

Kale posted:

Well Mr. One Week Poster you seem to want this thread to be hot loving garbage so I can't say I'm remotely surprised to hear that.

Alright how about this. I'm gonna go away for 2-3 hours, I'll come back and we'll see if this thread has gotten anywhere even close to back on track and not just other people making GBS threads on other people just because. I'm more than happy to do this and lets see what happens okay. My guess is you just start attacking another poster and talk about anything but Donald Trump, his administration and tweets but I truly hope I'm wrong.

Arglebargle III posted:

Unpopular opinion: you guys dogpiling Kale for five pages sucks, even if he was guilty of saying some clueless white guy stuff and then getting huffy about it.

Arglebargle III posted:

It doesn't really help our case that more people have died at BLM events than Nazi events in recent history.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

botany posted:

sure, that's all correct. i'd add that when the south koreans rioted because they didn't want to be divided and occupied, the US-SK leadership started banning political parties and declaring martial law. the election was also boycotted by a good number of south korean politicians, not just the soviet faction.

look, at the end of the day the only reason i'm talking about this is because i see some posters here calling for military intervention, and the whole thing started with a military intervention and occupation. to me, the whole korean disaster is another example of world powers looking at smaller foreign nations and going "hold on there, i don't like what you're doing, let me stick my dick in and make everything worse". my concern is for the citizens of the koreas, i have no interest in defending kim jong-il or his son. i hope that's clear now. so in the interest of those citizens, let's maybe not start another war.


see above

Koalas March posted:

gently caress Ohio, University of Michigan 4L.

Calibanibal posted:

yall lucky I aint a mod or I would give people permission to express themselves and not police thoughts I deem overly negative or pessimistic

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

Thanks for your mega hot sheetcaking take!!

Condiv posted:

are you advocating that the US become a third world country for the people on the lowest rung?

botany posted:

no, having a low amount of hours worked is actually good! high amounts correlate pretty strongly with lovely worker protection and poverty. the top 5 countries are mexico, south korea, greece, chile and russia. the bottom 5 are france, netherlands, norway, denmark and germany.

botany posted:

i have no idea, but it sounds plausible to me. if you can dig up some statistics about that, i'd love so see it.

Lightning Knight posted:

Aren't the fascists still poised to do well in the French assembly elections, or did that already go down? Besides lol, after a few years of Macron being a dumbshit she's just going to win next time around. Meanwhile the Eurozone seems as precarious as ever, given that the Euro is and always was a very bad idea.

Hellblazer187 posted:

Have Macron's approval ratings in France gotten better? Last I saw they were Trump level or worse.

Hellblazer187 posted:

Can someone tell me why we're supposed to think she's a corncob or whatever? I know she was a prosecutor, but so what? Was there anything in particular about her a prosecutor that makes her subject to enhanced scrutiny? I've just heard people say "oh, when I found out about her time as a prosecutor...!" and whenever I ask what specifically I've gotten silence. Maybe it's just that the thread moves fast, I'm certainly open to reading anything you might have to tell me about her. But I have a feeling a large portion of the "I'm afraid she's a secret rightist" is actually "I'm afraid that she's openly a woman."

moostaffa posted:

Dude, can you just stop posting?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron#Investment_Banker

Condiv posted:

i disagree, we nearly had an fdr-style democrat as our nominee in 2016, so i think there's a real thirst for leftism in general right now. but in any case, the organizations and institutions for that kind of stuff are being built right now. people are getting more involved than they were before, as you can see with DSA membership swelling and such.

hopefully we have a good leftist presence in 2018 and 2020 and dems win back a lot of power and actually start fixing the problems with america

Condiv posted:

what exactly is the problem? not what you'd typically consider leftist?

Hellblazer187 posted:

More embarrassing for the US, you mean? If we're still a superpower, then why can't we have UHC and real worker protections? Why is our infrastructure more like the infrastructure in Latin America than like the infrastructure in Europe and Japan?

Condiv posted:

then she should just drop the prison part of the equation entirely, cause it's completely counter-productive

throwing parents in jail in any situation isn't gonna help that truancy. resources for parents that need help do. jail doesn't. further, california jails are already packed to the gills, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to throw even more non-violent offenders in

Condiv posted:

no, don't be silly

Condiv posted:

throwing people in prison for making use of child labor does reduce child labor. throwing parents in jail for truant kids doesn't reduce truancy. you see, you want kids to go to school, and that's harder when their parents are in jail

Condiv posted:

are you being intentionally obtuse?

Condiv posted:

my argument is that turning truancy into a crime applicable to parents is idiotic cause it solves nothing and causes more problems

Condiv posted:

why can't they be charged with those crimes instead of criminalizing truancy? cause the law does in fact criminalize truancy itself, which as i said before doesn't make a lot of sense. if the kids are being abused, etc, then the parents can go to jail for that

Condiv posted:

so first you're angry cause you think i don't want to punish child abusers, now you've switched to this being an opportunity to be more lenient on child abuse?

how about this, a law like this would easily be exploited to jail minority parents. and the judicial system and jail would put those parents at a lot of risk (job loss, death, injury, and more). koalas march already gave you an anecdotal example from her life. now imagine if her mom could've been jailed for her truancy?