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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Mar 30, 2011

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Guy Goodbody posted:

I'm not from England, I don't know how things work over there, but why are Lib Dems in this election? Weren't they completely destroyed last time you guys decided to have an election? How are they still claiming to be a political party?

Well, uhh, look at the seat predictions in the post above yours.

Serious answer: there's plenty of parties who do even worse, they are still one of the more significant national parties. Plus the thing about them having a long history.

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Mar 30, 2011

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What happened to Bozza the train man who used to post here? I've seen a bunch of more longtime posters here recently which made me wonder.

His level crossing post was pretty great.

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Mar 30, 2011

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Mr. Flunchy posted:

What about genuinely insightful and neat looking projects like this?

http://www.dougiewallace.com/harrodsburg/

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Mar 30, 2011

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Jose posted:

i wnat someone to point out we're a really rich country compared with almost every other

Well, kinda:

1 Luxembourg 52,493 18,418
2 Norway 51,489 19,308
3 Sweden 50,514 18,632
4 Australia 46,555 15,026
5 Denmark 44,360 18,262
6 United States 43,585 15,480
7 Canada 41,280 15,181
8 South Korea 40,861 11,350
9 Kuwait 40,854 7,487
10 Netherlands 38,584 14,450
11 New Zealand 35,562 12,147
12 Hong Kong 35,443 9,705
13 Austria 34,911 12,284
14 Finland 34,615 15,725
15 Japan 34,822 10,840
16 Germany 33,333 14,098
17 Taiwan 32,762 6,882
18 Singapore 32,360 7,345
19 United Kingdom 31,617 12,399
20 Belgium 31,112 12,445
21 France 30,364 7,847
22 Israel 26,703 10,189

But for the most part yea. (first is median income and second is per-capita)

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Octolady posted:

I take it far more people think Hitler might have had some good ideas than they let on?

That's, like, a fairly concise summary of what's wrong with modern Britain, well parts of modern Britain anyway. The desire for things to be "proper" and "common sense" does kinda lead there.

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Mar 30, 2011

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Deceitful Penguin posted:

Number three is what you want methinks.
Y'all Anglos have the worst olds; here in the Nordics they at least seem decently split between left/right.

NZ and Aussies(?) were just about the only parts of the empire that managed to escape the dreaded FPTP.

Seriously the Wikipedia map for FPTP is pretty much British Empire .jpg

e: you might think I'm joking, but:

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Bape Culture posted:

My wife's parents voted Tory and one is a care nurse and the other works in a factory hahaha

As a wise banker once said, hehehe

shame it looks like Labour won't make it :(

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Mar 30, 2011

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Funso Banjo posted:

Yeah, for some reason some people think May is anti Hard Brexit. No idea where that is coming from, everything I have seen suggests she desperately wants to make the Hardest of splits. I think she knows it is how she goes down in history, never to be forgotten, the one who "Tore Europe Apart".

Probably because of this:



It's just fundamentally misunderstanding how much Tory politicians care about such things as principle and standing behind what they said they don't

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Mar 30, 2011

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I'm sorry Corbyn I didn't believe in you

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Kurtofan posted:

what do home office advisors do exactly and why did may think they could help her win elections

I think they decide on which immigrants to deport.

Not even really joking :(

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Mar 30, 2011

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Tsaedje posted:

Vote as the party instructs, whatever your personal view or you're suspended from the party

* may not apply if there's lots of you or you are too popular with the membership or they need your seat or your position is seen as "noble" somehow

(see Jeremy Corbyn and then the Labour Brexit vote in a hilarious reversal)

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Corrode posted:

The idea that not dying on his sword to try and block Brexit was a death sentence for Corbyn seemed more like a specific obsession of Guardian journalists than a thing actual Remain voters were worried about.

Dunno I quit the party over it, probably for ever, but then I'm not an actual citizen :sad:

Might have to quit the country too, :lol:

So forgive me for being bitter

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Private Speech posted:

Dunno I quit the party over it, probably for ever, but then I'm not an actual citizen :sad:

Might have to quit the country too, :lol:

So forgive me for being bitter

But you gotta break some eggs to make an omelette I guess??? Wait wasn't that said by a royalist leader about massacring revolutionaries. Makes you think

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TheRat posted:

Are you having a stroke?

I loving hate lexiters that's all

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Mar 30, 2011

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Pochoclo posted:

From the study:


And from the conclusion:


So yeah it's all about being better off than others.

I think that's ignoring the very real social power of income relative to other people. Most people would probably not mind being paid the same as everyone else, but very few would be willing to get paid half if given the option not to. Also it's rather hard to believe that your spending power would be the same if everyone else made double what you did, when so much in our society (e.g. housing) is priced based on limited supply rather than on what's needed to create it.

Not to mention that it's all relative, compared to few centuries ago most poor people's spending power is orders of magnitude greater, so by that token you could say that nobody should complain about being underpaid today, because we are all so rich, just some more and some less so.

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Groovelord Neato posted:

i'm curious does the uk have any of the sorts of voter suppression we have in the us?

Well in the current GE the Tories tried their hand at youth vote suppresion (not entirely a bad choice given the 50%+ advantage that Labour ended up with) through making student voter registration more annoying and by kicking off a lot of people from the electoral register.

There's also the talk about voter ID and the recent redistricting, though both of those were based on recommendations from cross-party commissions (which the government decided to follow as it suited them, of course).

But for the most part there's not much of it compared to the US.

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Hoops posted:

Students always vote though, they're not the "young people" that are getting referred to in the voter turnout conversation as far as I understand.

I suppose, but the Tories didn't really do much of anything against non-student young people voting.

e: Also keep in mind that ~40% of young people are students, and that's counting only the university ones.

e2: Wait I forgot, I think there was a household voter registration change too, in that everyone has to register themselves? Possibly? I guess you could take that as targeted at apathetic young people who still live with their parents.

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JFairfax posted:

vellum is cool and good and paper is not.

Either way it's so cheap that seriously who gives a toss.

Might bring in more in tourism revenue for being part of "quaint Britain" image.

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Mar 30, 2011

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Jose posted:

this makes a lot of money and should set her up for whatever she wants after tbf

Your first job?

Member of Parliament for Paisley and Renfrewshire South

Yeah seems like that would go over fairly well

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Mar 30, 2011

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Skinty McEdger posted:

Worth noting that the company that looks to be in the running to win the NHS bid, Staffline, also owns PeoplePlus which is the recently renamed Action For Employment (aka A4E).

You may remember A4E for its long history of fraudulent dealings on government contracts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeoplePlus#Fraud_investigations

That's what A4E means? For fucks sake

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It's funny how much this thread moved towards a pro-brexit stance since the referendum. With my view of "even the libdem stance is wayy too Eurosceptic" (much as I understand the political realities of anti-immigration sentiment and Brexit happening no matter what) I feel pretty lonely here these days.

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Pissflaps posted:

I'm anti Brexit. It's a silly idea.

Well, yes, I meant other people.

I don't think it will be a massive disaster for the economy either, more of a slowdown of economic growth than anything.

Then again I was wrong about both Miliband and Corbyn, sooo.

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baka kaba posted:

Heh, never attribute to malice what yovbcvjhstipdty!!!!!!!! :grin:


Honestly I think pretty much everyone in here is anti-Brexit, even the few who think we'll come out of it ok. What's changed since the referendum is that a democratic decision was taken, public sentiment swung heavily towards going ahead with it, and the Tories gained huge amounts of support by framing themselves The Champions of Brexit, stoking nationalism, and promising the moon on a stick

That makes it a complex situation, where taking a principled but purely symbolic stance could hurt Labour's chances of actually having the power to influence things. Most people are pro Labour being smart about this, instead of providing a convenient distraction and scapegoat while the Tories cling to power and gently caress things up unhindered

I get that, but thankfully this thread isn't a Labour political committee so there's no need to pretend that Brexit is actually a great thing. I'm not asking Labour to change it's official stance or condemning them for it or anything.

Either way it's done now, but I won't be call it a success for socialism just because Brexit won.

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I don't see much easier immigration from the Commonwealth after Brexit (and I'd like that too, not in the least because my girlfriend is from Commonwealth/not a UK citizen) outside of possibly a few "safe" countries like Canada, Australia and mayybe Singapore/Malaysia.

British post-colonial history is one of tightening immigration rules, seems unlikely that it would suddenly change because of another step in a process that has been going on for decades.

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JFairfax posted:

because brexit:

Two countries have already told the UK they must relax immigration rules if they want free trade

Australia and India both want a better visa deal for their citizens in exchange for a post-Brexit trade deal

Australia's high commissioner to the UK, Alexander Downer, has echoed India’s calls for Theresa May to relax rules on visa restrictions on its citizens if she wants to form a lasting trading partnership outside the EU.

Mr Downer told BBC Radio 4 that Canberra would seek "greater access" for Australian businesspeople before it agreed a deal with London. Informal ministerial talks between the two countries had already taken place to “explore the scope” of an agreement, he said.

..

The Government’s attempts to woo India also hit a snag earlier this week.

“Mobility issues are of importance to us; we cannot separate free movement of people from the free flow of goods, services and investments”, a senior Indian official said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-a7540036.html

We'll see I suppose, but India isn't a country that's a major importer from the UK, at least compared to exports in the opposite direction. Any free trade deal would favour them more than the UK.

And I did say Australians might get easier access, but that's hardly going against the 'whites only' argument.

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