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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Jul 27, 2011

Gum posted:

Why are the edgiest posters always the thinnest skinned?
I always imagine this scene:



but instead of birds it's social consequences. This is their nightmare.

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Jul 27, 2011

Gort posted:

Isn't that statement basically meaningless? Like, no poo poo if a leader's party loses a lot of seats they might see a leadership challenge.
It'd be meaningful if the blades are already sharpened before the election results have even come in - bit like with the Brexit vote.

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Jul 27, 2011

Mr. Flunchy posted:

She tells me that nearly all of the UKIP votes come from one single Year 8 class that's randomly gone really fash.
Maybe it's a 'the third wave' situation.

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Jul 27, 2011

"Do not lose this man." is kinda heartbreaking really.

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Jul 27, 2011

deletebeepbeepbeep posted:

Thinking about all the people (particularly the youngsters) that he has infused and the crushing disappointment everyone is going to experience bums me out.
I'm just depressed because Corbyn's clearly just a good man that wants to help people and he's bringing a positive, hopeful message - and what's gonna happen is the general population will spit in his face and his own party will try to stab him in the back again. There's just no justice.

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Jul 27, 2011

Kurtofan posted:

who the gently caress is voting libdem!
libdem candidates have families too, supposedly. quite large ones too, if it was a good season and all the eggs actually hatched

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Jul 27, 2011

How is this even legal? Britain's media regulations are straight up pathetic

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Jul 27, 2011

Recount!

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Jul 27, 2011

It's gonna be real funny that Corbyn couldn't turn around without having his leadership challenged when May can gently caress up as massively as she did here and somehow survive.

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Jul 27, 2011

Antwan3K posted:

A lot of European broadsheets have switched to tabloid format in the last decade or so. I mean yeah they also declined in quality but it's not necessarily related is it
It kinda is. Switching to tabloid format usually means other, less visible forms of cutting costs have already been implemented. Broadsheets are generally a bit touchy about making the switch to tabloid format, even though the distinction is basically meaningless now. But if they're at the point where their hand is being twisted, well, that's not a good sign.

Though I guess in this case, I can imagine the Guardian's online popularity and quality influencing the decision as well.

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Jul 27, 2011

kustomkarkommando posted:

The average time to form a coalition government in western Europe is like 40 days so this could take some time tbh
*grins belge-ishly*

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Jul 27, 2011

Synthbuttrange posted:

Jesus christ people inside were posting videos of pretty much their last moments. :smith:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-15/london-tower-fire-concerns-grow-for-missing-mother/8619234
Christ.

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Jul 27, 2011

kanonvandekempen posted:

I find that completely baffling, like I literally don't understand how this can happen in a modern country. In Belgium, where I live now, the doctor has the final word, period. I have a colleague who has been sick since january 2016, we're not really aware of what she has or if she's ever coming back, but a doctor affirms every 3 months that she has a valid reason for not working and so be it. She receives 80% of her wage every month. If we thought something dodgy was going on we could ask for another doctor to go check up on her but that's it.

I'm assuming she's depressed or burnt-out, but none of us have any idea and that is just fine, it's none of our business anyway.

What is annoying is that we are (because of our internal policy) unable to replace her until we can confirm she's never coming back, which means her colleagues just have to fill in for her.
I wouldn't get too used to it. Maggie De Block, that loving liberal ghoul, has been making an awful lot of noises about the 'responsabilisering' (lit. making responsible) of those with a long term illness and it's N-VA's stated policy as well. They're using the same trick they're trying with older employees in dangerous or very physical jobs - "okay you can't reasonably do your job, but what can you do? Surely you're still a worthwhile human being in some form?"

Forcing people to do a job they can barely do and don't want to do is a one-way ticket to a burn-out - but luckily, burn-outs are probably included in this scheme so they'll just ask you 'well, what can you do with a burn-out?' and go from there.

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Jul 27, 2011

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

I think you should gently caress off
My friend, you are mistaken, Britain is the one loving off.

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Jul 27, 2011

VideoGames posted:

Why would it be Sadiq Khan's fault?
Didn't unfuck BoJo's mess since he came into office so when you think about it Labour have no right to criticise the Tories at all.

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Jul 27, 2011

coffeetable posted:

I've been meaning to do an ~effective altruism~ post for a while. Haven't got time for the full thing now, but here's a cliffnotes:
  • Donating anything to charity is a good thing, whatever the charity
  • But some charities are far more effective in using your money to improve the world than others
  • Like, hundreds or thousands of times better
  • If what you're trying to do with your charity is save lives/reduce suffering/etc, then GiveWell has done a giant pile of research on where to get the best bang for your buck.
  • Long story short, their recommendations are mosquito nets (~$3000/life saved equivalent) and deworming tablets (~$1000/life saved equivalent).
  • Their website has a lot of details, but if you're a numbers person then maybe jump right to the spreadsheet.
Personally I put 10% towards demorming and I hope it'll be more in future.
Good post, but I'd also like to ask everyone to spare a thought (and a pound) for the less "sexy" charities. I was manning an info booth for one of those at a hippy festival the other week. They're an organisation that focuses on improving healthcare in a couple of African countries - but they don't focus on a specific disease, they don't build hospitals, none of that. They're all about organising transport/access to healthcare, setting up healthcare funds, providing additional training for local medical staff, sharing knowledge - real broad structural stuff. Hard to measure, but incredibly vital. A big part of their goal is to not only keep people alive, but to also make sure staying alive doesn't cost them everything they own.

And apparently, they're having real problems selling it to people here. People like to see either the big problems or clear goals like mosquito nets and deworming tablets - and that's fine, but there are plenty of charities/NGOs out there that do vital work that don't fall under those categories and they need some attention as well. It's gotten to a point where their latest campaign was decided based on getting around that issue - it's about maternal mortality, moms and babies dying and all that - which apparently was the source of a lot of controversy among the staff. But that's where they're at, it seems.

So what I'm saying is definitely think about which charity you donate money to, like you said, but also consider giving to the bland ones from time to time.

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Personally I put 10% towards demorming and I hope it'll be more in future.
Hopefully this will make a difference in the fight against global mormonism.

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Jul 27, 2011

"Corbyn's Labour accused of stirring up mob unrest"

by you, you absolute fuckers.

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Jul 27, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

It's what Barmy Brussels wants us to call a full English now you couldn't make it up!
[laughs continentally]

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Jul 27, 2011

Bedshaped posted:

Anyone listen to Ed Miliband on BBC 2 radio? He's become so much more likeable since stepping down as leader.
He was never meant to be a front and centre guy, really. He's much better when he can just pop up whenever he's useful.

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Jul 27, 2011

Miftan posted:

Is Black Rod that chap from Africa who was going on about being friends with benefits with the queen the other day?
I think that was the joke he was going for, well spotted.

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Jul 27, 2011

TheRat posted:

Warning: Take so hot it WILL set you on fire

https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/877439921778286593
Allegedly?

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Jul 27, 2011

I didn't know who this guy was, but whoo boy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O%27Neill_(journalist)

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Jul 27, 2011

Gotta say watching British parliament is always embarrassing. It's more like a school yard than anything. That and the institutionalised toffery makes it hard to bare.

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Jul 27, 2011

Jedit posted:

No, what you're seeing here from Labour is the distilled product of 800 years of burns being laid down on the floor of the house. Americans whip out a pistol and shoot someone. The British can achieve the same effect by politely agreeing with them.
It's mostly the 'yea's and the general rowdiness that still manages to sound incredibly smug. It'd probably be less sad if it were actually genuine and not part of some weird routine spectacle.

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Jul 27, 2011

Lightning Lord posted:

Is Guyovich a tankie? I thought he was a Trot.
Careful now.

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Jul 27, 2011

Skinty McEdger posted:

It's the worst loving argument. I hate most that I know of it because my ma is sincerely pushing it.
Nobody likes hearing this, but you might have to dropkick your ma.

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Jul 27, 2011

Wrap them in the cladding - then test it.

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Jul 27, 2011

Pissflaps posted:

Yeah you can.
*stern continental frown*

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Jul 27, 2011

People actually like Norway too.

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Jul 27, 2011

TinTower posted:

Irrelevant. You said:


Norway have access to them. They are not members of the EU.
Thanks for your incredibly tedious input, then.

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Jul 27, 2011

Lord_Adonis posted:

I am not a libertarian. I believe in the Hobbsian social contract. I believe that the state has a large role in managing the economy and ensuring that the common welfare of the people is maintained. I believe in progressive taxation.
You just don't believe that you living in a nation built upon colonial exploitation and imperialism has benefited you in any way, nor that it has created any form of responsibility. Right.

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Jul 27, 2011

*desperately starts looking for the off switch on the back of your skull*

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Jul 27, 2011

Tesseraction posted:

Jesus Christ

I'm now officially pro-remain, loving hell
Bit late for that, isn't it, Tess?

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Jul 27, 2011

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Seriously though the arguments about which kind of brexit to choose are kind of terrible. The only negotiating tactic you've practiced is the "well give us what we want or else :smug:" thing which is kind of not great when you've already done the "or else" thing. Seriously, you do the thinking before you sign the article 50 thing. Or rather, before you call the loving referendum.

Now May can't sign EU severance checks or make continuous payments into EU budgets because well, how the gently caress could she? The negotiations are poison for any british politician because any credibly achievable agreement would be impossible to sell to the electorate. Also the UK is a net payer to the EU, which means that Brexit has made all the other countries pissed off - they'll have to strip their budgets of stuff they hadn't budgeted for. There's not a lot of patience with wheeling and dealing with the usual Tory infighting or whatever you guys think of next. You're down to trying to barter and haggle with our citizens' rights for leverage since this is apparently a loving zero-sum game to you? Better hope not a single national parliament in the EU takes issue with that tactic since all of them'd have to sign any agreement. Hopefully they'll be immune to shortsighted national concerns, right?

So here's what's gonna happen: in one year, negotiations will officially break off without any agreement signed, british negotiators won't have been given authority to negotiate the big sticking points and whoever's Prime Minister will be busy fighting internal party challenges. Fingers will be pointed a lot of places but at the end, everyone will blame Cameron and/or the Europeans. From oct 2018 to march 2019, your papers will all have doomsday clocks and will report breathlessly about the continental intransigence and the halfhearted attempts at a temporary deal after brexit to allow the markets to adjust or whatever but since you'll burn a lot of bridges without cooling much nationalist sentiment, it'll end with gently caress all.

Come Independence day, a lot of people will be upset because there are still pakis around and somehow the good food is a lot more expensive? Naturally, the EU will be blamed for both.

You know what? We're gonna be blamed for it anyway, so I'm fine that Brexit will be hard. Brexit makes me hard. I want to flood the canal tunnel, I want to build walls all over Ulster and gently caress me but yeah we'll have a standing invitation to Scotland to join because gently caress you.
I think you're underestimating the desire of a lot of European players to get on with it and to keep the money flowing. First priority will be to cover the asses of the countries that are set to lose out. Britain has 350 billion pounds worth of trade ties with the EU and step one, two and three is going to be protecting that.

But other than that, yeah, you Brits are deluded if you think you're coming into these negotiations with any sort of leverage. You spit in the face of all your neighbouring countries and of one of the largest trade blocks in the world - and let's face it, they hated your guts even beforehand. Discussions of what could be theoretically possible re: brexit are moot. If you go for a soft Brexit, it's going to be on the EU's terms and any sort of concession you get is going to be because they felt they could get more out of it. If you go with hard Brexit, might as well strap in, because they're going to gently caress you raw.

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Jul 27, 2011

JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:

I sure am glad we're leaving an association of racists.
This flood the Chunnel and wall up Ulster plan is starting to sound more and more appealing by the second.

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Jul 27, 2011

See, Boris Johnson is going to call us continentals a bunch of wet napkins or something and all our grim, bureaucrat faces are going to scrunch up and we'll cross off another batch of possible concessions.

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Jul 27, 2011

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

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Mr. Johnson, perhaps the circumstances surrounding this negotiation have temporarily, as it were, escaped you
Please don't post Verhofstadt's face at me, it's very upsetting.

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Jul 27, 2011

I think

R. Mute posted:

You spit in the face of all your neighbouring countries and of one of the largest trade blocks in the world - and let's face it, they hated your guts even beforehand.

is a very accurate description of the situation. I'm not glad that Britain, as a nation, shot itself in the foot. But I don't think I'm mistaken in saying that everyone on the continent is acutely aware that that bullet was aimed at us and that you don't have to expect too much sympathy from the lich kings of Brussels.

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Jul 27, 2011

Firos posted:

You're posting that as if many of us were pro Brexit. Most of us are just resigned to our fate at this point, and just trying to make the most of a lovely situation; i.e. maybe we'll get a socialist government.
I know where most of you guys stand and any spite in my posts was just talking from the perspective of EU negotiators. I just feel like discussions like the one in the previous x pages about the possibilities of Brexit are prone to forgetting that it's not just down to whichever British camp gets into power. Unless you're going to ignore the referendum, Britain's hand has already been dealt. 90% of all ongoings surrounding Brexit within Britain at the moment is just meaningless posturing at this point.

I guess I saw some hope and decided it needed to be crushed.

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Jul 27, 2011

Guavanaut posted:

It wasn't though, that's the stupidest thing about the right wing leave campaigns. Entire talking points centered around non-EU member Turkey, about Sharia Law, about Syrian refugees, about laws that were made in the UK, about the ECtHR, about international treaties that would still be in place post any kind of Brexit barring full Juche hermit kingdom Brexit.

A leave campaign focused on the actual machinations of the EU apparatus would look a lot more like Tony Benn or Dennis Skinner's speeches than the flood of piss that we got.
Rhetoric-wise, you're definitely right. But leaving the EU for dumb reasons still comes down to Britain leaving the EU, the practical results are the same. Hence the bullet being aimed at us.

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