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Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

The vote no people are increasingly starting to play dirty, trying to claim today that an ad was banned when instead what happened was they refused to add an identification tag to the end of it.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2017 12:03

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 14:12

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Toys For rear end Bum posted:

I'm loving loving all the comments over on at news dot com

"I WAS going to vote yes, but then a commercial got banned from tv so a bloo bloo bloo"

They were even part of a submission to the government which started:

quote:

This Bill should only be considered for legislation in the event of the �Yes� case winning in a
plebiscite to support same-sex �marriage� (SSM).

The fuckers wanted this to be a public political campaign and are now feigning outrage over it being treated as one.

edit: Forgive the googlemess of a link: https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...9_ekH0GHHgkL1qg

Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Sep 2, 2017

# ¿ Sep 2, 2017 12:32

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

I am sure any secession would be great for WA and not result in them immediately going bankrupt when mining revenue dives further.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2017 08:28

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

“What I can recall at the end of the flight were some words where Turnbull berated Abbott in front of three of Abbott’s staffers to the words to the effect of, ‘You’re the most disloyal c ... I’ve ever met’,” the source said. “He was affected by alcohol. He castigated the prime minister in front of his staff. He castigated George.”

To save people a Telegraph click:

quote:

MALCOLM Turnbull gave Tony Abbott a scathing, expletive-ridden assessment of his prime ministership in a rant aboard a government plane after the pair and several ministers attended a booze-fuelled, celebrity-studded Sydney party.

Fourteen months before he snatched the prime ministership, Mr Turnbull pulled the ripcord on Mr Abbott in a vitriolic spray on a plane with three ministers and five Coalition staff members. The critique was so venomous that several sources claim it even included the C-bomb.

A spokesman for Mr Turnbull said last night, however, he does not use that sort of language.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal how one of the great untold clashes between the Liberal Party heavyweights unfolded aboard the plush, wood-panelled VIP plane heading to Canberra after The Australian newspaper�s 50th birthday party in Sydney on July 15, 2014.

Earlier in the night Mr Turnbull was seated alongside Lachlan and Sarah Murdoch, James Packer, Kerry Stokes and then NSW premier Mike Baird at the event.

Mr Abbott sat at the head table beside Rupert Murdoch, former prime ministers John Howard and Paul Keating, former Reserve Bank governor Glenn Stevens and Aboriginal leader Noel Pearson. Opposition leader Bill Shorten also attended the dinner, along with Jeanne and Anthony Pratt, Qantas chief Alan Joyce and former Victorian premier Jeff Kennett.

When the dinner was over, Mr Abbott, Mr Turnbull and cabinet ministers Julie Bishop, Joe Hockey and George Brandis boarded a late-night VIP flight back to Canberra for the rest of the parliamentary sitting week.

The group continued the �jolly� atmosphere, drinking wine during the flight on board the plane used by the Royals on visits to Australia. Mr Turnbull is understood to have already had a few drinks at The Australian�s 50th birthday party, but Mr Abbott, who delivered a speech, limited his alcohol intake.

Fresh from socialising with Australia�s business and media elite, Mr Turnbull had sharp words for Mr Brandis on policy, and then let loose at Mr Abbott.

MALCOLM Turnbull gave Tony Abbott a scathing, expletive-ridden assessment of his prime ministership in a rant aboard a government plane after the pair and several ministers attended a booze-fuelled, celebrity-studded Sydney party.

Fourteen months before he snatched the prime ministership, Mr Turnbull pulled the ripcord on Mr Abbott in a vitriolic spray on a plane with three ministers and five Coalition staff members. The critique was so venomous that several sources claim it even included the C-bomb.

A spokesman for Mr Turnbull said last night, however, he does not use that sort of language.

Malcolm Turnbull unleashed a foul mouthed attack on his then-leader, following the glamour event. Picture: Jane Dempster

Then-Prime Minister Tony Abbott during festivities for the Australian newspaper�s 50th celebration. Picture: Richard Dobson
The Daily Telegraph can reveal how one of the great untold clashes between the Liberal Party heavyweights unfolded aboard the plush, wood-panelled VIP plane heading to Canberra after The Australian newspaper�s 50th birthday party in Sydney on July 15, 2014.

Earlier in the night Mr Turnbull was seated alongside Lachlan and Sarah Murdoch, James Packer, Kerry Stokes and then NSW premier Mike Baird at the event.

Mr Abbott sat at the head table beside Rupert Murdoch, former prime ministers John Howard and Paul Keating, former Reserve Bank governor Glenn Stevens and Aboriginal leader Noel Pearson. Opposition leader Bill Shorten also attended the dinner, along with Jeanne and Anthony Pratt, Qantas chief Alan Joyce and former Victorian premier Jeff Kennett.

When the dinner was over, Mr Abbott, Mr Turnbull and cabinet ministers Julie Bishop, Joe Hockey and George Brandis boarded a late-night VIP flight back to Canberra for the rest of the parliamentary sitting week.

The group continued the �jolly� atmosphere, drinking wine during the flight on board the plane used by the Royals on visits to Australia. Mr Turnbull is understood to have already had a few drinks at The Australian�s 50th birthday party, but Mr Abbott, who delivered a speech, limited his alcohol intake.

Fresh from socialising with Australia�s business and media elite, Mr Turnbull had sharp words for Mr Brandis on policy, and then let loose at Mr Abbott.

The C-bomb was dropped on board the VIP RAAF aircraft as the group headed back to Canberra.

At the end of the flight, as they were about to disembark, Mr Turnbull is said to have given Mr Abbott a blistering assessment of his prime ministership � telling him he was �hopeless� and accusing him of being a �disloyal c ...�.

Three sources on board the plane recalled the use of the C-word.

Mr Abbott had just collected his bag from the plane�s prime minister�s suite and was standing with members of his staff and a federal police officer when the confrontation occurred.

One source on board the flight, who declined to be named, described Mr Turnbull�s comments as �belligerent�.

�Tony went in to get his bag from the PM�s suite and Malcolm badgered him in that corridor. That�s where it happened,� the source said.

�It was Malcolm in full flight. Angry, bitter, (saying) you�re f ... ing hopeless, you�re a �f ... ing c ...�, you should resign. He got quite close to his face.�

A second passenger said the group were all �jolly� when they boarded.
�What I can recall at the end of the flight were some words where Turnbull berated Abbott in front of three of Abbott�s staffers to the words to the effect of, �You�re the most disloyal c ... I�ve ever met�,� the source said. �He was affected by alcohol. He castigated the prime minister in front of his staff. He castigated George.�

Sources close to Mr Turnbull recalled a heated discussion over policy.

The AFP officer who was within earshot is understood to have later raised the incident with Mr Abbott, but the then prime minister dismissed any concerns.

The Daily Telegraph has been told Mr Abbott also asked his cabinet colleagues and staff not to mention Mr Turnbull�s accusations again. �He said he didn�t want it spoken about,� one source said.

Mr Abbott declined to comment on the incident when contacted by The Daily Telegraph.

Defence Department records list 12 passengers on the flight, including five Coalition staffers and two AFP officers.

By "declined to comment" I'm assuming they mean Abbott leaked the whole story to them.

Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Sep 4, 2017

# ¿ Sep 4, 2017 00:18

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

You Am I posted:

Dude like do some editing FFS

Don Dongington posted:

Yeah a thread rule on not just brainlessly pasting News Ltd articles without editing out this horseshit would be good - but I'm pretty sure the D&D Mods would only dare to read this thread while several sheets to the wind.

My bad, missed a couple because I was posting on mobile. Actually did go through the article and copied out the half dozen text blocks inbetween the photos/ads.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2017 02:08

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

MysticalMachineGun posted:

https://twitter.com/TheCalebBond/status/904301688042938369

Can we re-introduce conscription just for Caleb?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2017 07:25

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Anyone else currently crossing their fingers and toes holding out hope for the dream scenario where the marriage postal poll is knocked back by the courts this month, and the Coalition loses their majority next month due to citizenship stuff and there is an early election they get smashed in due in no small part to getting a bunch of new young voters enrolled?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2017 12:53

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Don Dongington posted:

It's a pretty loving sad state of affairs when we're sitting here dreaming whistfully about Bill Shorten becoming PM but here we are.

I just want to see Turnbull cry. His rolling of Abbott denied us TonyTears so he owes us.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2017 12:59

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

BBJoey posted:

i'm pretty sure the plebiscite is going to get voted down

Long live Mr Potatohead PM.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2017 00:04

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Box of Bunnies posted:

I like how all this homophobic stuff keeps throwing infertile straight people under the bus. Like I doubt they'd actually tell a barren relative "sorry, guess you can't get married since no biological kids will come from it" and yet that's what they keep implicitly saying.

Conservative guy I know kept making the "but they can't have children naturally" argument and when I asked about infertile hetero couples he was disgusted and said of course they can get married and how offensive it was to make that comparison because they were still doing PinV as Jesus intended.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2017 00:42

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Seriously the public discourse today could be boiled down to "fifty years ago I could walk the streets without seeing gays or foreigners and I liked it that way"

And our grey-haired foreign born pollies are pandering to it something fierce

I keep seeing memes like "I miss when Australians could make fun of each other on tv instead of being so politically correct!", then when you look at the picture it's 50 white people (with a couple of Italians and Greeks thrown in for "variety").

# ¿ Sep 5, 2017 01:52

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

JBP posted:

The games stuff is so bad. The people in government that might support it have just resigned themselves to saying "the US will just take those producers/developers and the workers anyway so gently caress it". We were on the cusp of having that high tech industry pumping, but it fell over and everyone watched it going ah well.

Federally it's hosed but there are some really promising things going on at state levels behind the scenes at the moment/

the old ceremony posted:

i want to make a game for kids in which you set up habitat areas in a virtual backyard with a bunch of different plant species to choose from and if you provide enough suitable habitat various native animals will come and live there, with occasional random catastrophes like fox and cat incursions

I genuinely love this idea.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2017 05:46

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

kirbysuperstar posted:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/287840/TY_the_Tasmanian_Tiger_4/

The weirdest thing?

On Steam the Ty the Tasmanian Tiger re-release has been top of the indie section in terms of user reviews for several months now.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2017 00:50

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Toys For rear end Bum posted:

High Court postal vote verdict due Thursday

2.15pm tomorrow, right in the middle of question time

Based on how it went yesterday I don't think the High Court is blocking it.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2017 08:26

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Fully expect the High Court is going to say it's fine but even if they don't ok the expenditure the government will still direct the ABS to do it.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2017 00:46

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Has it even been properly discussed how the ABS will report the numbers?

Given that they are a statistics agency running a poll I have to imagine the idea of just jumping out raw numbers without context goes against most of their fundamental concepts of what a poll is, but I also can't imagine the conservatives would accept anything that compensates for lower turnout at lower age levels.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2017 07:52

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

With the postal survey how do they stop fraud from people requesting replacement ballots?

# ¿ Sep 11, 2017 01:35

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Synthbuttrange posted:

Good news everyone!

The "yes" side on same-sex marriage is headed for a resounding victory with seven out of 10 definite voters backing a change to the law, a Fairfax/Ipsos poll has found.

Some 65 per cent of respondents rated themselves "certain" to take part in the voluntary postal survey, and of those 70 per cent said they would vote "yes".

God I hope these polls are vaguely accurate.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2017 02:02

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

The Before Times posted:

2004. When Massachusetts and other states legalised marriage equality, Howard panicked because he didn't want to have to recognise gay marriage over here.

Along with making bullshit quotes about how the idea of same sex marriage was a crazy new thing that had never occurred to anyone.

No, I'm sure there were plenty of people throughout history who would have liked it to be a thing, but they were probably a little preoccupied with the fact that their very existence as people was illegal.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2017 04:16

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

# ¿ Sep 12, 2017 04:54

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Lid posted:

"It's a long time, thank God, since gay people have been discriminated against and just about everyone old enough to remember that time is invariably embarrassed at the intolerance that was once common. Already, indeed, same sex couples in a settled domestic relationship have exactly the same rights as people who are married."

Those long forgotten days of the 1990's when parts of Australia still had homosexuality as illegal.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2017 07:32

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

It's great because they clearly expected no other serious bids so were trying to use it as a foundation for media laws being changed under the guise of them "saving" Channel 10. Except it then backfired awesomely.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2017 23:21

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

061469 posted:

Anyone here planning a NO vote?
My intuition was that "no voters" were a real minority in Australia and the stats in the poll that was posted seems to confirm that.
I can't help but get the impression that more people seem to think the two sides are more balanced than the evidence suggests.

You can't really use this thread as a sample for the population at large. If we represented the greater Australian population then every election would be between the Greens and Labor with the LNP picking up a couple of seats.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2017 09:14

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

061469 posted:

I'm not using this thread.
I'm using the poll results that were posted which specifically does cover the population at large.
I think it's fair to say that the "no vote" looks like it stands no chance. Good news.

I'm not attributing this to you, but the whole vibe that we (Australia) are riddled with neo-nazis and a homopobic majority just doesn't really seem to have much actual evidence supporting it.

Hopefully and probably the yes vote is going to romp it in. I think most of the worry comes from the fact this is a non-compulsory vote which is a out of the normal thing for Australia, along with the last 18 months showing that complacency about certain victories can seriously backfire.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2017 09:27

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

The bigger the yes vote is the more Turnbull can be dismissed as doing too little too late. He's going to come out of this with the conservatives unhappy and the left giv8ng him zero credit for it passing.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2017 09:51

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

gently caress that, Howard got turfed out of parliament.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2017 05:48

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Pretty sure the "It's ok to say no" came from Cory Bernardi as part of his attempt to protray the Australian Conservatives as representing the "silent majority".

# ¿ Sep 17, 2017 11:24

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

When I lived in Brisbane for 18 months a decade ago I actually quite liked it. At the time rent was really reasonable and I had a room in a nice apartment in St Lucia with a city view and close access to quick ferries into the cbd.

# ¿ Sep 19, 2017 00:45

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

open24hours posted:

It's amazing how cheap it is. What would a commercial TV station have been worth ten or twenty years ago?

In the 1980's Ten sold for $840 million, and as recently as 2010 James Packer, Lachlan Murdoch, Bruce Gordon and Gina Rinehart put a combined billion into it.

# ¿ Sep 19, 2017 04:08

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Mad Katter posted:

This is such a cop out excuse. You can believe in a Christian definition of marriage while at the same time recognising that Jesus isn't a part of everyone's marriage.

People can eat kosher or wear a turnban or whatever without trying to legislate that everyone else must do the same.

Exactly this.

People saying they are saying no to a law change because of their religious beliefs are saying they want to live in a theocracy.

# ¿ Sep 20, 2017 02:51

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

So, Australian Space Agency - legitimate attempt at something good or just adding an additional layer of bureaucracy?

# ¿ Sep 25, 2017 04:37

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Anidav posted:

Re: Communicating with Chinese Australians

Launched today: https://cn.theaustralian.com.au/

We are all hosed.

Are they automatically translating their articles? Chromes translation works perfectly on that which is a little odd.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2017 04:53

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

MikeJF posted:

In theory Australia is actually a fantastic place for a space industry. We're rich and have a high-tech, highly educated base along with mainland territories within 11 degrees of the equator, which is a huge launch advantage. A Cape York spaceport could be extremely competitive.

So now we watch politics go and pork the launch site to South Australia.

If we were going to get pork some kind of engineering/mission planning stuff could happen in SA but if you want to get serious about grabbing part of the global launch market then launching from Woomera where anything would have to go overland to Orbit is a crazy idea.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2017 06:29

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 14:12

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

TheIllestVillain posted:

which state cause this sounds like every suburb named richmond

As a resident of SA Richmond I'm going to object since we have a trendy hipster cafe in a warehouse and pretty much nothing else.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2017 08:19

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