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botany posted:but we already had a USpol thread I hope someone knees that police department in the IG groin.
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Potato Salad posted:PSA: The President of the United States is speaking before the UN. All you need to know is: Rocket Man.
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Jizz Festival posted:In the example, both the poles being painted and the falling of the poles is being caused by the utility company. ....no, its been pretty well established that lead was linked to increase in crime.
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Sep 19, 2017 23:28
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socialsecurity posted:Most people who support a No Guns ever policy also support an extended welfare system where people don't need to hunt to survive. I was unaware how many hunter/gatherer societies existed in the US still
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LeJackal posted:Privilege is pretty blinding. An argument I won't buy from LeJackal  Yardbomb posted:Poorer people living in the country where the store can be a good ways away, you don't have the money for all the gas to constantly drive way out for groceries or whatever else and back, so you shoot deer, rabbit, hogs or something like that and you store/cook the things. So.....less than 5% of the population? Got it. Its worth noting I'm a firearms owner, and am not anti-gun, but I'm also not LeJackal level of "Gun's Don't Kill People, People Do" NRA talking points, nor do I buy into the idea that firearms legislation won't work because "Criminals will just buy guns illegally" LeJackal posted:More guns does not equal more deaths, but yes; every freedom has a cost. All human rights are one half of the balance between security and autonomy. Everyone would be 'safer' in a highly restrictive police state but that isn't the social system we'd prefer. Holy poo poo, are you a Sean Hannity parachute account? CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Oct 3, 2017 12:40
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Party Plane Jones posted:Alaskans depend more on hunting than any other state if I recall correctly. It's just a bitch to get things up there cheaply. Not denying that in the least, I was being sarcastic, because LeJackal takes that rationale and applies it to the whole US as if Native Tribes and Frontiersmen in the Alaksan or Wyoming wilderness are proof that firearms should not be regulated. I mean, you are familiar with LeJackal's schtick, right?
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Oct 3, 2017 12:49
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Well good for y'all!!! And until this country implements a program like that (it won't) I have zero problem with people hunting for sustenance. Believe it or not, most of the hunters I know aren't gun nuts & they're actually pretty good conservationists without the credentials. They're also typically underemployed or unemployed & hunting is an activity that keeps food on the table. Arr you Alaskan or live in a sparsely populated area? Because otherwise, your friends are probably hunting out of season, and no, reverting hunter gatherers is not a long term solution to the growing poverty class.
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Oct 3, 2017 12:58
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C2C - 2.0 posted:You got it all figured out, don't you? You know what these folks are doing without a single shred of evidence. If only we could all be as omniscient as you. Got it, everything is solved, including poverty, by reverting back to hunter-gatherer societies. Everybody go back, we hosed up. C'mon now. C2C - 2.0 posted:We already have that system in the form of Park Rangers & DW&F wardens. I'd point out that these programs are steadily cut by the same groups pushing the poo poo your selling. Endangered Species? Let's pushing open hunting of hibernating wildlife in their den. Species Recovery? Nah, hunt em to extinction. Cut the park rangers, cut BLM, cut rangers, sell the land to corporations. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Oct 3, 2017 13:09
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Nevvy Z posted:I'm actually ok with that family starving to death if it prevents the next 60+ person massacre. But I still support the State just giving them food. Yup C2C - 2.0 posted:I said nothing about everyone reverting back to hunter-gatherer societies. Nothing even close. I was trying to quell any potential demonization of people in this country who rely on hunting/fishing for food. That's it. There's a difference between 'demonization' and 'Your gun regulations are just oppressing people! Massacres are a price of freedom!' And there can be a ready balance between 'They need firearms for hunting/survival' and 'They need a 30+ round magazine with an AR-15 or AK with Semi-Auto' Somehow, Hunter-gatherers survived just fine on single fire weapons, including bows and arrows, for thousands of years.
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Oct 3, 2017 13:22
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C2C - 2.0 posted:But I'm all for gun restrictions. I own a bolt-action & a shotgun, both for the purpose of hunting. I don't need anything else. I also own a bow. Hell, if they called for a mandatory buyback, the only thing I currently hunt that wouldn't be feasible with a bow is ducks. And I can't hit 'em for poo poo with my shotgun anyway. Fair enough.
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Oct 3, 2017 13:29
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Gort posted:I remember reading something on how much crime is committed with pistols as they're perfect for criminals due to being small and concealable. Meanwhile rifles have the issue of high rate of fire, range and penetration meaning stray rounds kill people rooms away through lovely drywall. Pump and Bolt. You can get a good bolt-action with a decent internal clip for cheap and be able to hunt with that.
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Oct 3, 2017 13:38
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cochise posted:The breed that's causing the trouble was crossed with wild Russian hogs, so we're left with a hybrid that can shrug off point blank large caliber rounds. These beasts aren't small and they're smart. Murder the gently caress out of them and use artillery if necessary. Texas does have a Boar issue, but I sincerely doubt they are shrugging off large caliber rounds.
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Oct 3, 2017 23:52
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captainblastum posted:This is the real root of all of Dead Reckoning's arguments - he correctly recognizes his privilege as a straight white man in the US, and he doesn't want anything to change because he (incorrectly) thinks that that means he loses something. All of the 'deontologist!' bullshit is just trying to rationalize it. He argued in GiP that it was a matter of his ethical position
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Oct 4, 2017 16:27
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Dead Reckoning posted:No, they're not, not in the way you think at least. I can build a dragster with no plates, that runs on coal slurry, and has no seat belts, and let a felon with a suspended license drive it, and as long as I do it on private property for non-commercial purposes, the state DMV and Highway Patrol won't say squat. Virtually every law related to the operation of motor vehicles is with respect to operating them on public roads, lands, or waterways. ...you REALLY really thought this was a good analogy?
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Trabisnikof posted:https://twitter.com/libbycwatson/status/915278318043369473 Oh my god, this is downright evil.
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I dont think we're talking about bolt action and pump action weapons Crowsbeak.
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Oct 5, 2017 17:19
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Dead Reckoning posted:The problem here is that they haven't (as far as I know) identified any specific case where the store failed to do the due diligence expected of any gun store before a transaction. By your logic, it would be possible to sue any gun store in a high crime area out of business, because they can reasonably expect that their product will end up in the hands of criminals. Similarly, the logic that liability ought to attach to selling an otherwise lawful product that is popular with criminals falls apart when you apply it to any other situation. Everyone selling cheap digital scales or retail quantities of copper wool (or Oakland Raiders apparel) isn't responsible for the lovely people that make up their customer base. Its almost as if maybe if we had better enforcement of background checks and registrations, we could tackle this issue. It sure is a shame the NRA specifically lobbied to prevent such things.
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Oct 6, 2017 20:21
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Dead Reckoning posted:They're only banned from advocacy, and hampered the unwillingness of a Republican congress to appropriate money for research with a long history of being politically motivated. Insisting that the advocacy ban keeps them from doing important research is akin to the governors of states which refused medicaid expansion complaining that Obamacare failed their constituents. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Please tell me you didn't actually expect anyone to buy this bullshit. They are not banned from studying, but as YOU well know, anytime anybody in the CDC TRIES to, Congress just to happens to cut the funding for the CDC enough for just that study. The NRA/GOP has made ANY study into gun violence and solutions academic, political, and employment poison for researchers. Crain posted:"Hunting guns" don't need to be semi-auto. Yup! Bolt and Pump action will do just fine. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Oct 7, 2017 |
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If he had a bolt action, he'd have killed maybe 3-4. Nah, he had a bump-stock equipped AR-15. Dead Reckoning posted:Which way do you want me to go with this: that it became necessary to switch the conversation from "hunting bolt action rifles vs semi auto" to "AR-15 vs M-1" and drop the entire exchange up to that point into the memory hole in order to get away from the fact that Neurolimal's assertion was wrong, or that the "good thing he didn't have access to an AR-15!" line is both a meaningless counterfactual and also hilarious because AR-15s started being sold commercially two years before that and he very easily could have got one? Um, the point being maybe people shouldn't have access to them? Still waiting for your rebuttal to the political consequences to any CDC studies.
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DR is quite literally an NRA talking point come to life.Dead Reckoning posted:We're talking about Charles Whitman here, who didn't have a bump fire AR-15, but did have a hunting rifle and a shotgun, and killed 16 people with them. Do try to keep up. It took him 96 minutes to do so. There's the difference. This man murdered 56 and injured 400+ in less than 10. Whitman was also a trained Marine Corps rifleman, he was also suffering from a massive brain tumor pressing on the portion of his brain that possibly affected fight or flight instincts. Prior to the shooting, Whitman had visited a Psychologist and tried to convey his fear that he'd be unable to restrain himself from violence. Its almost as if Whitman is not a good comparison. Nobody here is pretending that people are still not going to kill people with bolt action or pump action weapons, the difference is they won't be killing a many in such a short period. I love that you keep falling back to that. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Oct 7, 2017 |
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Ravenfood posted:Remember that this entire Texas clocktower discussion started with DR deciding that if such an event occurred again, all the people who are currently saying "lets try restricting guns to bolt action, etc etc" would immediately move to ban bolt action rifles. So instead, I'll be the first to say that I do believe that there are reasonable standards about rights and whether something could reasonably be prevented and whether the cost is worth the benefit, and I think that if there was a clocktower shooter repeat again after laws were passed to restrict legal guns to some pretty strict parameters, I'd be willing to admit that completely banning guns is probably too far, because there absolutely are exceptional circumstances. "Someone will kill someone with a black powder rifle! Then they'll come for my muskets!"
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RaySmuckles posted:all of this chat about banning guns or making them single shot only or whatever is as masturbatory as the people thinking they're going to use their guns to fight the government Something not happening anytime soon does not negate the fact that its still probably the most effective or correct choice
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I forgot how readily the left swung for White Supremacy.... ....oh wait. That's not what happens.
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Shbobdb posted:From a recruitment perspective what he's saying makes a lot of sense if they wanted to remain on the fringe. Since it's just fringe people swapping places around the periphery. But that isn't the approach that white nationalists have taken for obvious reasons. Converting an antiracist to a racist makes sense since they already fundamentally see everything through the lens of race. But why do that when you can just tap into the latent racist resentment that already exists? ...no it doesn't, and you are nuts. Ague Proof posted:How can he be a Nazi when he doesn't want to be called a Nazi. The Hail Victories and Nazi Salutes are just coincidental.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I mean, he's not a literal Nazi and not quite a literal neoNazi, but the second definition is Spencer himself fishmeching around the edges of hate speech and the edges of advocating for genocide. Presumably because he has spoken at some point to a lawyer about liability. He associates with White Supremacists, gave the Nazi Salute multiple times captured on video, and openly said the English version of Sieg Heil. He marched with groups openly flying the Swastika. He's a Nazi. He's not even dancing around the edges of it. He's a literal Nazi.
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Shbobdb posted:My lived experience in meat space aside, you've got anti-cultural appropriation tumberites essentially arguing for radical racial separation. That's not hard to weaponize to ethnic nationalism. You don't have a clue what Antifa is about, thanks for proving that.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Antifa is about antifascism but socialism can be used to promote ethnic supremacy and has so...  Its almost as if antifacism isn't the only reason Antifa formed. Like how Antifa is also pushing political action to remove Confederate statues. You are just trying to, in a round about way, push the Conservative arguing point that 'Antifa is Facism too!' Its not. And your argument doesn't hold water.
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I liked it better when Dead Reckoning just tried to wave away concerns as 'un-ethical' rather than try to play off bans as slippery slopes.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'm just trying to figure out the mindset of someone who thinks, "80* people killed per year in active shooter incidents, that's totally unconscionable, but 20 per year is an acceptable price for Americans to enjoy their God-given right to hunt." You're an idiot. You don't need an AR-15/Semi-Auto rifle to hunt, and this is just a pathetic slippery slope argument. And no, a Semi-Auto ban would not end hunting. And again, you keep citing graphs, while FULLY IGNORING that we've demonstrated that the NRA has made researching gun violence impossible, so it begs the question: Who made the graphs you cite? Hm? Probably not someone that was going to release a study that the NRA wouldn't like. Because as we know from the past, the NRA will make sure that you receive no funding in the future if you do a study they dislike. Don't forget: The NRA has basically a veto oversight on any CDC studies done relating to guns. Dead Reckoning posted:https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2016cv1534-39 From the same courts that authorized what was basically a paramilitary encounter with multiple different state police actively harassing protesters. Got it. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:You should see the vaccine thread, where he was using gun idiot logic to logic himself into being an anti-vaxxer. Can we get a link to this?
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zxqv8 posted:
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The Kingfish posted:I'm sorry but how is that what Jonah is about? Basically the whole point of Jonah is that Jonah never develops or grows as a person. BrandorKP is noted for trying to relate everything to Christian parables.
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Cyberventurer posted:Man, when I read this I tried googling for "ben shapiro attempted murder" but it was just someone's threat to beat him up on television. I thought there was an actual attempt on his life or something. A Transgender Ex-Navy Seal threatened him. And I wanted to see it happen.
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Bueno Papi posted:Just as I posted that I found their video that was made in response to Mulvaney's budget. That is a fantastic presentation.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Congrats, Mississippi. Somehow you keep trying to out-bad Louisiana And now it has a DOJ that will defend it.
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Democrazy posted:Why do people always hold up as perfect models states which could not even sustain themselves? *glances at the current US Administration* You were saying?
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Democrazy posted:I think I get what you're saying. My point was mainly that when people say that someone or something defeated the Soviet Union, in a way it's giving them too much credit. They didn't need someone to force the Soviet Union to collapse, their system provided enough impetus for them to collapse on their own. If I understand what you're saying, I don't think your trying to contradict that. The Soviet Union collapsed because they spent all their national resources preparing for a war that never came. If the US had done the same thing, it would've collapsed too.
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Mister Facetious posted:What war is America preparing for, then? The amount the Soviet Union created as far as armaments and vehicles purely for military purposes vastly outnumbers total produced by the US during the Cold War. We were fully preparing for a War, but not in the same way the Soviets were, nor in the numbers. This is why it was always assumed a Soviet Invasion would only be stopped by a nuclear exchange due to the sheer numbers the Soviets could field. Heaps of Sheeps posted:This is straight up GOP propaganda. The causes of the fall of the USSR are many and varied, but they almost all start and end with "allowed the capitalists back in power". No, it would be GOP propaganda if it was 'The Soviet Union collapsed because of Socialism'. It would also be wholly untrue. R. Guyovich posted:well this and also there was a literal coup That helped for sure. But for the most part it was well on its way to collapsing by then, because they finally faced just how much debt they were in after decades of purposefully ignoring the cost of their Cold War preparations. The Hardliner Soviet's tried to coup to cover up this fact, but it largely collapsed.
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Mister Facetious posted:ITell me what war the current military budget (including proposed increases by Trump) is being prepared for. ....that's not what I was discussing, and fully agree we spend too much on defense?
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