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Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

stephenthinkpad posted:

If you guys don't quote Shrike, I don't have to read his post.

Coward.

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Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

mila kunis posted:

the private tuition industry is a cancer and a massive part of richer kids having the resources to win out. beating it down doesn't solve the primary issue but it's a massive step that none of the other countries with the same issue (south korea, india) are taking so its amusing to see righties trying to play it down.

It absolutely does, not because private tutors and schools are necessarily better than public ones but they become elite networks used to exclude the poor. Those who pay for "superior education" will be more easily accepted to prestigious and powerful universities because of "networking".

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

shrike82 posted:

might be a language barrier thing but there's a difference between idealize and idolize

I don't know how, but your posting has gotten smugger and dumber.

Cpt_Obvious has issued a correction as of 14:49 on Aug 3, 2021

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007


Yup, that's a Mao pin.

Great investigatin' boys! Donuts are on me today.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Wages have been growing very quickly in China.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

shrike82 posted:

focus on infrastructure spending, export-driven growth, growing middle class etc. None of which are particularly socialist

gently caress you, trains!

-Joseph Stalin

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Also: "eliminating poverty isn't very socialist" is maybe the dumbest take on this website.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

I thought the "baby murdering savages" thing was debunked years ago.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

The only difference between communism and capitalism is 700k Covid deaths and magnetic levitation trains.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

#notallcapitalists

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

"Late stage communism" is a hilarious phrase, btw. But you're gonna have a hard time trolling when you play that card first.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Wait, you can't speak any Chinese language on a Chinese app? And the only users they could find were in America? That sounds like it was developed for a foreign market and it just never made it there.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

shrike82 posted:

that's true, now apply the same logic to China

If China did nearly as poorly as the united states, there would be literal piles of corpses to dispose of. In proportion, it would be a causality count around 3-4 million. There would be absolutely no way to hide those numbers.

In New York, the morgues and hospitals were overflowing such that they were digging mass grave. They were storing corpses in freezer trucks and running out of freezer trucks. If that poo poo had happened in China, in the age of the camera phone, there'd be pictures.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

LimburgLimbo posted:

It’s not a “defense” it’s just important context because a bunch of people were under the impression that NYC literally couldn’t handle the mountains of dead and were panickedly opening mass graves as a last resort, which was never the case.

Mass graves (though the term is a bit deceptive and brings up images of a hole in the ground with exposed bodies, instead of the reality of everyone in individual coffins) as a policy for unclaimed or unidentifed dead itself is a separate subject.

:ok:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/07/us/new-york-coronavirus-victims-refrigerated-trucks/index.html



quote:

Bodies of Covid-19 victims are still stored in refrigerated trucks in NYC
By Mirna Alsharif and Ray Sanchez, CNN
Updated 5:05 PM EDT, Fri May 07, 2021
Refrigerated trucks served as temporary morgues at the South Brooklyn Marine Terminal on May 6, 2020.
(CNN)The bodies of New York City coronavirus victims are still being stored in refrigerated trailers converted into makeshift morgues during the height of the pandemic one year ago, according to the medical examiner's office.

The long-term temporary morgue at the South Brooklyn Marine Terminal holding 750 bodies -- not all victims of Covid-19 -- is a reminder of the crush of coronavirus fatalities that overwhelmed city hospitals, mortuaries and funeral homes last spring.

In early April 2020, more than 800 coronavirus deaths were reported in a single day in New York City. During the week of April 5, an average of 566 were dying every day in the city, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


"Long term storage was created at the height of the pandemic to ensure that families could lay their loved ones to rest as they see fit," said Mark Desire, a spokesman for the Office of Chief Medical Examiner.

In late March 2020, refrigerated trailers also served as makeshift morgues outside city hospitals amid the surging death count in the epicenter of the nation's coronavirus pandemic.

The last time New York resorted to such drastic measures was after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when the medical examiner's office had to identify tens of thousands of body parts from the 2,753 people killed in the World Trade Center collapse.

Desire said the medical examiner's office is assisting families in making arrangements for final resting places for

"With sensitivity and compassion, we continue to work with individual families on a case-by-case basis during their period of mourning," Desire said.

The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner had purchased additional refrigerated trucks and the Federal Emergency Management Agency had provided the city with 80 of its trucks last year.

City officials announced last April that a potter's field for the poor and unclaimed on Hart Island would be used to bury victims of the virus.

Desire said the temporary morgue at the South Brooklyn Marine Terminal "was established to provide longer term storage for decedents during the peak of the pandemic when the funeral industry was stressed."

"This additional storage capacity gave the families the time they needed to make final disposition arrangements," he said.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

The point being: NYC was still dealing with all the bodies a year later. There's no way in hell China could just hide millions of corpses.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

LimburgLimbo posted:

Basically the facility was created during the peak and stuck around, as a place to store more unclaimed bodies instead of being so quick to put them into the Hart Island graves, presumably especially given that where normally people could travel with more ease to identify or deal with unclaimed/unidentified bodies, COVID made that more difficult or dangerous. You're framing this as though they're still not able to handle the number of bodies when that isn't the case (at least for now; could need the capacity at some point with Delta) and they're just continuing to use a facility that they made during the emergency period, with plans to close it soon.

Wow, those first two sentences.

And you should reread what I said:

quote:

The point being: NYC was still dealing with all the bodies a year later.

None of which conflicts with your AP source from 2 months later. It still took about a year to handle all the bodies, which were still in freezer trucks in May 2021. HTH.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

shrike82 posted:

you’d figure they’d be happy for traffickers to be shipping stuff like meth or fetanyl to the West

"China should want to be the meth capital of the world" is the dumbest take I've heard all week, but it's only Wednesday so keep posting.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Oh no! Not my show tunes!

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Grapplejack posted:

No one is going to revolt while singing Les mis, that's just embarrassing

The songs themselves are revolting.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

I loooooooooooooove death!

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

*spoiler alert* they'll buy the Chinese vaccine.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Ngl, those shrike posts are hilarious.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

I would also assume that the cost of the American vaccines also factors into it.
It would be a smart move on China's part to supply vaccines for cost or even free to assert dominance.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Is the Chinese digital currency a real plan or just hyperventilating?

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

gradenko_2000 posted:

every socialist country has thought about developing cryptocurrency in order to circumvent the problem of the US dollar and US sanctions choking the ability to trade, whether China, Venezuela, or Cuba

most of the time it doesn't go anywhere because crypto is too difficult to make work in that fashion, but the sentiment is very genuine

I would like to know more.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the U.S. embassy was hiring three days ago though. anyone want to take the job?

https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1426273114472726537

*sigh* none of these spoiled millennials want to work anymore.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007


lmao is that a percent and a half decline?

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Throatwarbler posted:

The Chinese businessmen who remained had met with Taliban commanders and been provided with special passes to move around freely. They are careful to stay away from the airport however, lest they be shot at by crazed American troops.

Lfmao

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007


True, it's physically impossible to address racism domestically while decrying racism abroad.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

PawParole posted:

holy hell the dengists were right

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

how does one have a high internet score and low software usage?

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

LimburgLimbo posted:

lmao that you're posting in a thread about asia and don't get the joke

???

What was the joke?

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

JOBS!

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

quote:

The AP was unable to confirm or disprove Wu’s account independently, and she could not pinpoint the exact location of the black site. However, reporters have seen and heard corroborating evidence including stamps in her passport, a phone recording of a Chinese official asking her questions and text messages that she sent from jail to a pastor helping the couple.

Oh good! They can track her phone!

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Maximo Roboto posted:

air quality in some places might not make playing outside all that attractive

Is air quality still a problem? I thought they cracked down on that hard.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

LimburgLimbo posted:

So you agree that Chinese intelligence is actively trying to place agents in foreign governments? lol

What does russigate have to do with placing Chinese spies in the American government?

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Wait are u claiming a sitting Democrat Party congress person is a Chinese agent while simultaneously arguing that's it's fake news? Wtf is even your point here?

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Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

LimburgLimbo posted:

I pretty clearly didn't take it at face value and couched it with "maybe" "claimed" etc. Given circumstances (timing et al) it wouldn't be that outlandish if it were an intentional leak but we don't and can't know. Also doesn't make his actions less boneheaded and I'm not sure why you're focusing in on that specific aspect of it; the reason I didn't add more specific context or clarity to that is because whether the source is a leak or not isn't that material.

I don't give a poo poo about kiwi honor but you're right that I think there's more context to things there than just people saw an Asian face and decided it was the enemy. The amount of Chinese money moving around NZ, two NZ MPs having stepped down/not run for election recently reportedly due to intelligence concerns about them (how true that is we'll probably never know and yeah it could potentially have just been the political parties looking to appease their racist/xenophobic elements for the sake of not losing power), her having been involved in leadership in Chinese student associations, which frequently get accused of being intelligence auxiliaries (Stringent et al feel free to look into the many articles on the details of that, though naturally it's inherently going to be from Western media outlets you don't trust or like) are all material factors. Racism is also always a potential factor, but we can't pretend that there's literally nothing else there and that everything is nice a clear and black and white.

tbh I didn't even consider this a dogpile

Probably more effective too for the serious stuff. Like for example most of the cases in the US with ethnic Chinese convicted of "espionage" are pretty vanilla things like selling restricted stuff to China or not disclosing employment/ties.

This is a good illustrative example of when it *is* just dumb racism. Dude has apparently no history of connections with organizations with potential Chinese intelligence ties (also doesn't speak Mandarin fluently, mom grew up in Taiwan and dad in HK, though it wouldn't be right even if these were not the case), being ambushed and demanded to publicly denounce the CPC by some jackass. This is materially different from the Brady accusations in both content and execution, even if you think the Brady accusation is also illegitimate/specious/purely political.

Could you make your point in just two or three sentences because from the outside I have no loving clue what you're talking about.

Like, do you believe there is Chinese influence in domestic policy? Is this somehow different than the ways other countries use espionage or bribery in their foreign influence?

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