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Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

rudatron posted:

Dude, get real. It still has a corruption problem, except now the people on the receiving end of the grift are pro-Xi Jingping.

The actual campagin had something like a 99% conviction rate - you don't think that's a little suspcious?

Is it more suspicious, from a public viewpoint, than criminal justice in general? The US federal system was at 93% in 2012, ostensibly free Japan at 99% in general through most of the past few decades. Rather than overweening prosecutors, it can as easily represent, and as easily be perceived as representing, an underweening system which only takes the most blatant cases to trial.

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Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

rudatron posted:

yeah but federal prosecutors tend to hold back until they think they have enough to secure a conviction. The anti-corruption people have nabbed, what, a million officials? there's no way you could do that number using that same level of caution/restraint, meaning that getting a 99% rate is unrealistic, and therefore, isn't following what we would recognize as correct standards of justice, rule of law, the right to a trial, etc.

I live in a US town of around 4,000 at the moment, and I could easily name ten or twelve local public officials on the obvious take. That's with ~liberal democratic~ standards of good governance and plausible excuses. That's several times the rate implied for China there.

I 100% agree with you that Xi's purges are unlikely to be finding the RIGHT 2-3 dudes per my town in every town in China, and are likely to be coincidental purges of rivals of several-layers-removed underlings, but it's definitely not an unplausible rate.

e: ESPECIALLY if it's actually .2-.3 dudes in every town. That's literally the implication of ACAB and I shouldn't have to convince anyone here of that.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Nobody living outside of either country would even tell a difference.

that's not true
league of legends and basketball will replace baseball and handegg as the colonial asskissing sports, and nameplates on machinery will get slightly harder to read

otherwise tho basically

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Bro Dad posted:

I refuse to watch cg anime, its always incredibly loving cheap and low fps

worst part is they only seem to adapt cg anime from actual good things just to twist the knife (like berserk and vinland saga)

low fps is the 'we tried our hardest to make it look good' choice, it's extra work over high fps

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
There's a PDF and allegedly hand-corrected OCR on Github. Hopefully the hand-correction of the Mandarin is better than that of the occasional English cites, but it's too dense for me to tell.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Bloodnose posted:

What kind of an outlet is quartz supposed to be? I've never heard of it

The Atlantic's attempt at creating a WSJ/Economist competitor lol

also a deliberate, promoted decision to make sure no reporter stays on a beat long enough to build knowledge about it. not agile enough. the future is in assigning writers twitter hashtags to follow

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

stephenthinkpad posted:

1 Can I play in the long march scenario?

2 Can I play as hansome Wang Jingwei and try to win with no army but just diplomatic tools?

Can't really Long March (the core combat simulation is essentially "armies never die unless isolated, but die immediately if they are", and the local departure is the abject failure of the Northern Expedition anyway), but Wang Jingwei is in fact the default (left, Chiang has been shuffled off in the aftermath) KMT leader in KR.

Wouldn't recommend it with no army, since you start at war with a very successful given that departure Zhili Clique and even if you survive you're the odd man out among the mostly-Wobbly global left that's balanced to lose without human intervention.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

GoutPatrol posted:

eh, no?

Comparatively the US didn't bomb Taiwan that much, and it was given some representation in the Diet, along with Korea in 1945.

To quote from the book in front of me, Chapter 8: Taiwan Under Japanese Rule, 1895-1945, The Vicissitudes of Colonialism by Harry J. Lamley


To say it was a prefecture is a bit of an exaggeration on my part, but there was a growing movement for Taiwan and Korea to be more than a colony. How much of this was a ploy for Japan to keep the territory after the war, and how much was to keep the colonies from turning towards Independence near the end (as I said before, conscription for Taiwanese didn't start until 1945,) your guess is as good as mine. After the initial takeover in the 1890s, there were scattered resistance groups, mostly in the South until the 1910s. There were several independence/home rule movements that ebbed and flowed based on whoever was in charge of the colony (there was a new guy in charge of Taiwan I think on average every 18 months.) Those movements peaked in the early 30s when they allowed local elections for the first time, but once Japan invaded Manchuria everything got clamped down hard.

The Japanese themselves did some brutal stuff in Taiwan as well, its just not as well known.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musha_Incident

To some degree the Taiwan side was based on the French model for Algeria, essentially a later Ryukyus, and predating planning for total defeat. Whether it would've passed is an open question, and Korea of course was further down that chain both in timeline and in refining the industrialization of colonialism.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/nick_kapur/status/1300994647351848963/photo/1

is that what the article actually says because the picture of a coiffed dude suggests to me that this is an article about poo poo that happened a couple of hundred years ago not something we do right now

It's what the article kind-of says, but lol the tweeter's interpretation as opposed to translation is way off base

tl;dr "Prime Minister of the United States: This position does not exist in the American system of government, but the title is sometimes used as a sarcastic description of a 'power behind the throne'. (section about the failure of such a position to develop under Hamilton as Secretary of the Treasury even with the High Lord of the Treasury analogue) (examples of history books, course notes, and Commonwealth newspapers which applied it to Newt Gingrich, or to Haig after Reagan was shot)".

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
As an extension to this, there's a special status for Imperial subjects and their descendants who remained in the new, smaller Japan yet also did not opt to naturalize, which considers them neither quite immigrants (birthright eligibility, legally open-ended work and welfare eligibility except for some government offices, exempt from immigration controls including those based on employment status or criminal record) nor quite citizens (voting rights have only recently been mooted). Most of the Korean community in Japan falls in this category, either as RoK or DPRK citizens or some still as stateless hypothetical citizens of the Kingdom of Joseon, and especially the first subcategory offers an interesting palette of work and residency options that's probably the closest thing available to dual citizenship in context--I believe it also triggers the Korean draft exemption for roots-down expats.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

LimburgLimbo posted:

I’m not familiar offhand with every single detail but all the “citizens” of the colonies definitely weren’t consistently treated as equals and I don’t believe it was as simple as just getting to Japan for most. I think there’s also a timeline there though; people tend to forget that Japan underwent really rapid change not only economically and industrially, but politically, in particular in the early 1900s where all the relatively sane and decent (at least by the standards of contemporary imperial powers) civilian leadership started to lose out heavily to (or get assassinated by) the far right extremist military, and things really went downhill.

It definitely did happen though; great grandfather on my wife’s side went to Kyoto University in the early 1900s from Taiwan. I’ve heard that there were limited slots for non-Japanese though, and they tended to allow them mostly in specialties that were needed, like medicine etc. Need to look into details some more.

Taiwan also had its own timeline of status as the "model colony", an Ulster or Canada type that was still definitely subaltern but had completed industrialization and was considered politically reliable enough that full accession as a 48th prefecture was proposed early in the war in order to justify extension of the draft. I'd be very curious to see how much of the rarity of Taiwanese holders of the status I mentioned (which is around 99.5% Korean in practice) is due to an earlier, less personally hazardous path to resume RoC citizenship vis-a-vis obtaining new RoK/DPRK citizenship, versus how much is due to immediate naturalization/integration during the stateless and/or refugee status years immediately following the war.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Ferrinus posted:

hell, it makes sense to me. the united states has historically been very concerned with ethnically sourcing cotton

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Homeless Friend posted:

this is a thriving genre of books in amerikkka lmao, but noooo the chinese have a child-like sense of bigotry, those inscrutable asiatics

these drab imitations are an insult to our 2000 years of history
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This even showed up in imperial Japan while notionally co-combatants with the Nazis; there were a number of diplomats who wrote visas, some out of being genuine humanist libs who hoped they were changing things from the inside, many accepted holdovers because there was never a fascist takeover (the attempt was purged nearly as hard as the local Communists were) just liberal authorities justifying more and more militarism, but also a good-sized contingent that had read the Protocols as ordered by their commander or senior diplomat, firmly believed the official line of Jews as extraordinary controllers of world trade and media, and decided independently that meant they'd be the perfect immigrants.

The preferred colony was in Manchuria, the new frontier where new ex nihilo bourgeoisie would be welcome friends in exploiting the Chinese instead of rivals, and where Jewish emigres would also be useful as likely to be politically White Russians, so between that and Israel absorbing most of the refugees, rabbi chaplains at Yokosuka are a notable portion of modern Jews in Japan.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

stephenthinkpad posted:

If his point is the East Asians strength in fighting Covid is willingness to give up individual freedom for common good, then it's impossible for the west to learn.

Which brings me to a related problem, I don't know if Confucianism covers Japan, probably not.

Most would probably say it does, at least if including Neo-Confucianism. The original was Imperial-aligned in opposition to the Buddhism of the nobles, and Japanese wuxing thought and dualism also were heavily influenced by Confucianism and thus thus slotted in well with the Imperial responsibilities of high priesthood, but even after the decline into feudalism Cheng-Zhu Neo-Confucianism, sparked by an early mission and then enhanced by Southern Song refugees, held on and was eventually elevated to the official national ideology during the Shogunate (when it provided an austerity-localist, loyalty-based, metaphyiscal counterargument to dissenters' appeals to the authority of the metropolitan, universalist, and religious Emperors.)

Said wuxing thought was also culturally relevant enough to provide a group perceived quite similarly to Western alchemists.

That said, loving lol that "take care of your fam, bruh" has to be an inscrutable Orientalism in these people's minds rather than something Anglos are uniquely turned against.


"As you may know, the word 'China' in Chinese is pronounced 'zhong guo', which literally means 'Middle Kingdom', or in plain English, 'the Netherlands.'"

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

genericnick posted:

lol @ Japan. Is the LDP trying to get lynched? Like 80% of the population want the Olympics cancelled and no one who's too young to have fought in WW2 is vaccinated yet. And they just send over vaccines to insert themselves in a dickwaving contest between China and Taiwan?

CHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER
LDP
Ex-LDP, turbolib rather than occasionally dirigiste and admits it
Ex-LDP, turbolib rather than occasionally dirigiste but campaign-Obamas it
Ex-LDP (lost leadership election, has not changed platform)
Ex-LDP, split over insufficient support for 40something professional women
ChristianBuddhist Democrat
Eurocommunist
Shitposter
Guy very mad he only turned 18 in 1946 w/loudspeaker van, feebly waving katana-shaped umbrella

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
There's probably a good deal of implied connotation since it it seems to have gained wide currency describing the persecution of Jews beginning in the late 1880s, but yeah, the literal is just po serving as "a" (or more gramatically correct, "to have gone through with a") + grom "raid, ransack". So standard right wing politician "so you object to that word, well are you denying it was a riot, or are you denying it was violent? :agesilaus:" territory.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
Aso's explicitly out, according to a JT article.

The three announced currently are:
Kono Taro (by his own preference) - Oddball grab bag of policies, pro-collective defense but anti-official-Yasukuni-visits, for matrilineal emperors but for surname-first names as an ambassadorial default. Training and takes on Korea suggest he's the neoliberal, appendage-of-US candidate. Boss of the vaccine effort (lol)
Sanae Takichi: Nippon Kaigi affiliate, Neo-Nazi links. Incredibly mercenary, episodes include a quick party split-and-return and a politically-motivated divorce. Boss of the individual COVID stimulus (slightly less lol)
Fumio Kishida: Nippon Kaigi affiliate, long-serving minister of foreign affairs. Previous presumptive successor to Abe, lost support due to a perception as a "peacetime" candidate; position further decayed after losing a fight for a higher stimulus. Perhaps relatively more dirigiste than Kono?

And one very likely perennial candidate:
Shigeru Ishiba: Nippon Kaigi affiliate, enthusiastic militarist who has called for a Japanese nuclear weapons program and has compared domestic protests to acts of terrorism. Shortest domestic-policy pedigree by far, with only a quick stint in Agriculture.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Grapplejack posted:

Australia doesn't have nuclear weapons though they mine and refine uranium since they have a pretty big supply of it, so they could feasibly make a nuke in like, a couple months.

E: when they say "nuclear submarines" I assume they're talking about nuclear powered subs, and not subs designed to launch icbms

Yes, they're being extremely careful to be very specific that these are nuclear-propulsion subs with conventional weapons.

What on earth role those are meant to fill is unclear, other than "Ohios are getting real long in the tooth, let's make the Aussies pay development on the replacement."

E: Have to say, the decision to pronounce your new alliance's name as "Orcus" is the kind of choice more fitting for '00s robot anime than reality. Yet here we are anyway.

Mandoric has issued a correction as of 22:21 on Sep 15, 2021

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Danann posted:

In general you use diesel subs for defending coastlines and nuke subs for open ocean warfare. Australia basically wants to be able to sink Chinese ships in Chinese waters in other words.

In the abstract, sure. In the practical, what waters are Australian ships going to be in, ESPECIALLY in conflict with China, that aren't in range of home port? And what shooting war with China, in an alliance of nuclear powers, is going to last long enough for extended-range raiders to matter?

I don't think there's deep thought, I don't think there's an operational call at all other than leaving Australia in a Japanlike "one refit away from being a nuclear power" state, I think Scomo gets good boy points (and, if I wanted to spin up the hottest new conspiracy theory, a way to force quarantine-free international traffic to WA and crack their resolve) and Biden gets someone to pay for the problem that the US boomer fleet is nearly literally boomer-aged.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
Kishida ended up on top in the LDP leadership election, and thus next Japanese PM. Positioning is dirigiste, relatively dovish moderate conservative though with far-right ties, beat out the favorite Kono whose position was radical Pacific-ism (as in the geographical antipode but philosophical mate of Atlanticism; 51st state approach.) Notably pro-civilian nuclear power.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
The House of Representatives term was essentially up; he's dissolving at the end of the current session, seven days before it would have been the second postwar Representatives to sit a maximum term.

Even beyond that, it's not uncommon in Japan for a new PM who wasn't part of a party-consensus planned succession to call snap elections after his appointment in order to make the party or coalition in general bend the knee. From the start of Heisei on, there's been Hashimoto who took power as the LDP's turn during a coalition government and immediately called elections resulting in the LDP improving from 2/3 to 90% of the coalition, and Mori who took power unexpectedly by cabinet vote after Obuchi's death. Meanwhile, those not calling elections after appointment were Suga, Aso, Fukuda, Abe (2006), Koizumi, Obuchi, and Miyazawa, who all had clear majorities among the LDP; Kan, who did in the DPJ; and Hata and Hosokawa who were junior coalition members given the big seat precisely in exchange for not shaking up the coalition.
Noda is the exception, winning the DPJ leadership election in a runoff after no clear majority in the first round, but the DPJ was a dead party walking when he took power with 65% disapproval and a drop from 42% in the 2009 elections to ca. 15% voting intent, so a snap election just would have yeeted him out of power immediately.

E: Current polling suggests that the LDP will improve its position somewhat as the CDP continues to deflate; most other notable parties (Komeito religious right, JCP Eurocommunist left, Ishin populist right) are polling around their results in the previous election. There's no poll room for anything but a center-right LDP-lead government, with them holding their typical mid-40s, so the territory being fought outside of intra-party machinations is whether Kishida can successfully wrangle an absolute majority rather than relying on Komeito/Ishin for support, and whether the center-to-left alliance (CDP, JCP, a few remnants of the collapsed Socialists, and some entries from Reiwa Shinsengumi a new sort of Yang-ish populist leftlib formation around a celebrity-politician) can stop cannibalizing each other enough to knock LDP/Komeito out of supermajority status for constitutional questions.

Mandoric has issued a correction as of 15:50 on Oct 5, 2021

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Some Guy TT posted:

i seem to recall that the tributary system was more of a gift exchange thing and that korea at least sometimes requested they be allowed to do multiple tributes a year because they liked the cool chinese poo poo they got in exchange

Speaking from primarily the Japanese historical perspective, it was a sort of trade and soft security pact termed as "tribute" for internal Chinese political reasons. The "tribute" was repaid with "gifts" of similar high-end luxuries in a way that was typically profitable to begin with, and the missions were then allowed to engage in private trade to a limited degree based on the results of this exchange; on the diplomatic side, it worked out into something like a bilateral pledge where the "tributary" promised not to interfere with direct Chinese interests (but was still free to fight other tributaries under the threat of only rebukes and reduced trade quotas rather than invasion) while the Chinese refrained from attacking them directly (but would not defend them unless their own interests were also threatened; notably tributary a eating tributary b and then paying tribute a+b did not seriously bother China.)

The actual investiture part was recognized as a meaningless gesture done only as ritual submission even then; the last Japanese ruler to be enfeoffed as King of Wa by the Son of Heaven, one Ashikaga Yoshimitsu, was simultaneously an archduke or generalissimo by European standards arrogating the title of king (from a domestic standpoint) and the de facto emperor accepting the downgrade to king (from an international standpoint); Joseon, while it attracted a rare Chinese invasion by continuing to pay tribute to the Ming after the Qing took control, publicly viewed and billed itself as the true successor to the Ming even after being forced to shift its tributary relationship to Qing; and the Turpan Khanate at one point went to war with China with the demands of being allowed to "pay" greater "tribute".

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Slavvy posted:

Some drastic overestimation of how much work actually needs to be done ITT.

The vast, vast, vast majority of jobs are pointless bullshit or created out of the necessity of doing things in dumb gently caress capitalist ways (so pointless bullshit). There's no way you can have something 'useful' for every single person to do if you think about it for even five seconds. Yes, even if everyone is doing an 8 hour work week you'll still have billions of people with nothing useful to do and that's fine.

The fact that bullshit jobs are common doesn't mean there aren't useful jobs to do, things-not-considered-as-jobs that are nonetheless work, or most importantly work which is a bullshit job under the capitalist model because of specific, unnecessary bullshit duties; just that these categories are ignored as less profitable.


stephenthinkpad posted:

...Most of the service works are not "essential", you should get your 2000 cal/day food ration from your united ration depot and cook your own loving food and feed yourself..

But the world is not run by a single unified government but by greedy capitalists jeff loving bezos who just want to make more $$$$$ with their $$$, so everybody has to work 40 loving hours a week.
is a great example of the second and third; working in a modern restaurant, with its attendant class play bullshit, is typically a bullshit job. But on a societal level each inhabitant of an apartment block spending an hour or two a day cooking for themselves even if they don't want to is a horrendous inefficiency on a societal level, with most cooking duties taking the same amount of time for one or for twenty and with incredible amounts of waste (not just the "some don't finish their meat, some don't finish their beans" side, but also the need to outfit every flat in the western style with a full complement of high-capacity but simple and primitive cooking equipment, niche seasonings, etc.) So while you can eliminate the restaurant, if you don't replace it with the community kitchen you're increasing labor hours expended not just for every individual, but for the manufacturers of the equipment, the miners of the raw materials in that equipment, the farmers growing the crops to be cooked, and so on. In general just repeating the trap of capitalist economic thinking that, when women entered the labor pool, redefined the old duties of the housewife from "full time work" to "expected, uncompensated use of leisure time."
On those lines, childcare, eldercare, and cleaning are also wildly understaffed-on-paper fields where the dispersed nature that lets them be taken off the books as "jobs" and undercompensated also has the pernicious effect of reducing efficiency gains made possible by industrialization; being forced i.e. to do someone's laundry under capitalism is usually bullshit but a central laundry can cover dozens of families in the same 8 hours of work that covers four households individually. Nominally an "increase" in jobs for a rational system even though it results in less labor done.

As for the first, while there are obvious long-term labor savings once our twine-and-duct-tape approach to investment is replaced, there's a hell of a lot of interim work to be done getting there and also a lot of untracked/uncompensated labor that will transform into officially a job. Just in terms of, say, transportation in the US, rail commutes will need mass amounts of track laid and eventually result in tracked train crews and station staff replacing untracked commutes; the replacement of asphalt with more durable concrete and snow crews with heating-plant-driven removal will take millions of workers years even though they result in smaller highway departments in the end; and a revival of commercial rather than just industrial rail shipping won't so much replace the trucker as convert them to more numerous/shorter working days and more ecological stevedores and local couriers.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
I will say, re UBI, it's a running joke in my industry (which could conceivably expand by two or three orders of magnitude tomorrow without anyone either losing out having a "bullshit" job or benefitting from reduced hours, though I recognize that it's a huge exception) that the hobbyists who exist due to the extreme unviability under capitalism of working on products without a proven market are if anything more productive than the paid workers.

But even though the output wouldn't dry up following a shift to a UBI model, I think it's far socially healthier to define their work as a job than a hobby; it removes the potential for developing a conception of "worker" and "leech" classes, and allows standouts to be recognized and encouraged.

Mandoric has issued a correction as of 23:09 on Oct 17, 2021

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Slavvy posted:

Ecologically there is an objective need to reduce the amount of activity being done, of any kind

The ecological need is the exact opposite, for a heroic effort akin to the USSR's industrialization in order to replace dirty machinery with clean where possible or convert to labor-intensive processes where not, rebuild our (as industrialzed countries in general, but especially the US) power generation away from fossil fuels, rework transportation infrastructure toward rail and manufacturing of bulky/heavy goods closer to where they'll be used, and redevelop suburbs into midrise mixed-use with local mass transit and rural areas into properly centralized walkable villages with long-distance transit access while preparing for mass waves of refugees.

Now, war communism doesn't mean 16-hour days at the ammo plant for every single person, there's a need for not just basic services but art, hope, small luxuries, all that. But the potential for that in our future makes me even more inclined to prefer the option of being considered a working member in good standing of whatever neo-SSP than a slacker who uses my time well when that time comes, even though I'd be doing the same things either way.

E: wasn't trying to last-word, just mostly wrote at stoplights and then :justpost: after getting home. Econ or theory threads would probably be a better place to continue, though.

Mandoric has issued a correction as of 01:19 on Oct 18, 2021

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Raskolnikov38 posted:

uhhhh when did Japan start using the rising sun flags again

6/30-7/1/1954. Ground added a gold fringe (lol) and halved the rays, maritime just made the red brigher, both were a done deal at the very moment the US officially approved an SDF out of the Korea-era paramilitary police.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

crepeface posted:

someone get the anime fansub community to make themselves useful

Maybe. It'd be like a week of actual work, meaning open days woven in over the next couple-few weeks.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

crepeface posted:

really!? i would have thought there would be economic and political terminology that would be really hard to get right

I mean, someone jumping from tiddy fighting cartoon #4928 would probably get a bit mixed up, but on the other hand at the end of the day it's a public TV special with hard-of-hearing captions for most of the narration, a set out there somewhere for the rest and extremely clear narrator enunciation, in a language and about an other language that are extremely big on constructing their jargon from compounds of plain-language roots, where English tends to just romanize the terms if they're unique and hope for the best, and with a presumably serviceable existing translation sitting right there in the link for check.

Need to find a version without the audio dropout a few minutes in, though, hopefully a raw without the Chinese translation covering the Japanese captions on some of the heavier-accented older dudes and ideally either an unstripped .ts or an official stream that will just cough up the entire script.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

mistermojo posted:

hes going to take NorCal back

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

indigi posted:

more info on this please

Chiang's biological son Ching-kuo was considered promising but not especially beloved, and turned left during his school years which fell during the first CPC-KMT alliance. He applied to study in Moscow at the Sun Yat-sen University for the Toilers of China, a Comintern program to give Chinese revolutionaries a grounding in theory. While there, he took to his lessons enthusiastically but also sided with Trotsky politically; some combination of that and the KMT purge meant he was sent to work at Uralmash, where he was politely but firmly kept, with occasional offers of exchange for imprisoned CPC officials rejected by Chiang, until the thaw of the Second United Front allowed him to return to China. During the civil war, he attempted to take an anti-bourgeois approach as governor of Shanghai, but was sacked when he stepped on the wrong toes; as the KMT position on the mainland collapsed, however, he developed, whether by necessity or by the tendency of some Trots to be more concerned with perfecting the instrumentality of a party-state than with which ideology it particular it espoused, a method of applying Soviet methods to mainstream KMT goals, first as head of the security services where his major impact was an adoption of Soviet-style political controls on the RoC military, and then as his father's successor in a reign marked by large centrally-planned industrial development and the choice of another ex-Communist capable administrator Lee Teng-hui as his successor rather than...

Chiang's adopted sun Wei-kuo, considered beloved but not especially promising, who in one of history's most hilarious examples of bet-hedging was sent to the Munich Kriegschule. There he lead a small Panzer unit during the Anschluss before being receiving a commission and being assigned to a unit intended for use in the invasion of Poland. He was recalled to China before he was mobilized, however, and served mainly as a liaison with the Americans during the war; later he was mostly sidelined from politics or direct command and given a series of sinecures in staff positions after a subordinate attempted but failed a 1964 coup calling for more integration with western powers.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Fly Molo posted:

yeah checks out

By the end of the civil war, both tendencies were virulently anticommunist; it was a debate between autarkhy and an international crusade in accomplishing this. And of course the US played both sides, friendly at the very least with ranking officers like Sun Li-jen, the VMI-trained "Rommel of the East" who was the prime target of political controls on the RoC military, but also willing to overlook Ching-kuo's purge of him for alleged participation in a CIA-backed coup plot in 1955 as it was part of an overall crackdown on disloyalty.

Mandoric has issued a correction as of 21:23 on Mar 20, 2022

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Maximo Roboto posted:

What do you know of Li Jishen? It sounds like he was more conciliatory towards the CPC, maybe if he had replaced CKS somehow he would've been able to reconcile the two.

Also real bummer that Feng Yuxiang died in a mysterious ship fire.

Just the basics, but the basics seem to tell the whole story about how much weight "somehow" bears there--the RCCK was the reconciliation, and what KMT members were willing to take it had plenty of opportunity to. Assuming that the Taipei government was entirely a personal loyalty thing that could've been broken if leadership had a different opinion, rather than a result of the majority KMT faction's politics, is too great-man, especially in the context of CCK's temporary sidelining when his policies drifted from that consensus.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Maximo Roboto posted:

I'm talking more about what if Chiang was out of the picture earlier on, like he is accidentally killed in the Xi'an Incident and someone like Li or Wang Jingwei (or more likely, Zhang Xueliang or Yang Hucheng) could've succeeded him, but I guess that could have changed the war entirely and it's impossible to say how the KMT would have emerged afterwards. All four figures I just mentioned had more favorable views of the communists than CKS did, very low bar I know, and both Li and Wang were involved in anti-Chiang uprisings in that time period (it was before the latter turned hanjian).

And yeah I guess Feng was a pretty marginal character by the time of WWII.

That's the thing. There are any number of people with left leanings who may have become, or at times were, in KMT leadership. The name and legacy of the KMT as of the end of the Pacific War may have followed them into reconciliation in some other history--the existence to this day of the the RCCK as the PRC's second party is an attempt to claim that the name and legacy did follow them. But if those had, the main difference IMO is that the assorted compradors, ideological anticommunists, pro-Westerners, and so on who did accept exile under American protection on Taiwan would have done so with a new name for themselves, quite likely an RCCK-style competing claim if the split was late, rather than personal loyalty to the KMT hierarchy leading them to reconciliation as well; it's those class and ideological interests which matter and which are irreconcilable, not the label.

I guess you could make an argument for CCK personally not ending up in the same place if his father had left the picture, but it's not like he'd have been a historically significant individual as one of hundreds of CPC apparatchiks following the industrial-development roadmap rather than as a crown prince in all but name.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
The suspect's 41, not that there aren't some younger ultranats but that's kind of a weird middle ground for an assassin working in a group.

I got in in the couple minutes between when they released his name and when Google results reflected it, and while there's serious potential for typos in how Japanese names work, as released he's entirely a nobody (though there is a medical researcher on the other side of the country with the same name). I'd lean more toward the mob or a local politics issue.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

Vox Nihili posted:

You think the Yakuza assassinated Abe? Lol

Ideological alignment or no, it having been about some hyperlocal issue wouldn't have surprised me.

That said, MBS now saying he was ex-JMSDF, which puts things in a different light.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
Suspect's years of service were '02 to '05.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
I'm leery of the specifically Moonies association, in that it plays well as comedy to a western audience but it's also very convenient for the right-wing cause of "it's the Koreans' fault somehow".

The candidate Abe was appearing on short notice to support, while a member of the LDP, is also endorsed by their junior coalition partner, Komeito, which is the political offshoot of the very prominent (and very lawyered-up) evangelical Nichiren sect Soka Gakkai. For purposes of this being a public post with my name on it, I'm not going to speculate that it's them and the suspect's claimed motives are plausible, just point out that they're also a religious group that does not like to be named in the media and has a history of doing something about it, with close links to Abe, and a very plausible likelihood of having VIPs at the campaign event.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

yellowcar posted:

iunno, is the average japanese quality of life on as steep of a decline as an american's? i just don't see japan as having a big death drive as america does

Imagine the American post-2008 experience, but since like 1989. People are welcoming their grandchildren still trapped in the entry-level real job they just barely squeaked into in the late '80s until even older coworkers retire, people are welcoming their grandchildren having gone to a good college, done everything right, and still bouncing between fast food franchises for 33 years if they missed the cutoff before things went wrong, and there was never a recovery to give false hope.
What decline there isn't is that there never even was the "we won the cold war!"/dotcom exuberance to cover up deindustrialization.

That said America will never let Asians, even Asians cosplaying limeys, take a position of authority. The Atlanticists are chasing the phantom of the "do what western academics think they themselves should do" strategy that worked in the 1880s and 1950s but can't handle the ḑ̵̢̡͚͕͍͈̱̘̮͓̭̽̑̍̑͌͆͌̆̕͝͝e̸͉͕̽́̃̉̃̅͆̓̊̋ç̷̙̜͚͉͓̈́̍l̴̜͕̳̟̖̯͉̗̅̿̇̈̀̿̂̒̃̕͜͝ͅi̵̡̦̳̬̰̫̫̫͑̂̊̂͒͒͋̏̆̉̎̐̎̑̕n̷̼̼̱̼̈́͗͛̏͛͑e̷̹̳͕̝̤̽̏̑̽͑̏̃̓̀͝ ̷̡͕̘̲̭͈̞̗̻̼̙̆̎͝į̸̺̜͓͚̝̰̩̬̋͗̋̐̇̂̐́̌͐̽ͅn̷̢͚̪̘̝̦̭̝͉̦̂͌͐̌͛̊͋̈̐͒̆̕͝͝ ̴̡͖̻͈̗͙͈̟͉̭͂̿̅̀̕ţ̶̡̢͔̺̻̦̫͔͙͇̥̮͍͊̋̄̀ḩ̸̱̞̥̼̺̀̋̓͂̀̑́̄́̎͘͠ȩ̴͚͖͓̜͈̘̘̟̗͗͒̊̿͛͆͊̒̋ͅ ̷̜̝͈͙͙̟̗̳͚̼̼̼̮̄̅̽r̷̩̙͇̭̐̊̈́͒̔̉̃̾͋̀͘͝͝͝a̵̡͇̖̠̪͚̲͓͍͔̍͋̏͒̌̀̽͊͠͠ţ̴͈̰̟͈̭̲̋̅͂͛̉͆̀͐ĕ̵̛̜̒̾̌́̾̈́͂̽̑̊͑̃ ̷̛̲̈́̓̈̓̓̈̂͆͗̈̏̑̚͠o̵̧̧̖̫̜͆͑̿̄̈́͊̈́͊̋̕͝͠͠f̷̭̳̦̩͓̣͓̮͙̙͖͍̹̈́͗̃͐̽̽̅̚͠ ̴̡͇̤̳̭̟̖͆́͋͑̾̾̆̽̂̇͘p̶̛͚͔̼̔̔͒̍̈́̀̾͋̋r̵̢̨̨̖̘̯̣̯͖͓̲̈́́͋̓͛̎͋̎̒͒̚ơ̴͖̙̘̹̥̤̈́͒̅͛̔̆̂f̶̢̛͕̯͛̓̿͊͋̌̃̍̍̈́́̆͝ȋ̴͖̳̜̫̈́͌̊̎̈́̍̉̈́̑̈́͒̚̕̕t̴̛̖̩͉̝̻̆̋̆̈̌̈́̉͗̆, and the neoimperialists are Trumpian blowhards who just know that looking street gets them elected.

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003

stephenthinkpad posted:

From what I understand, white Americans in the rust belt after 2008 just get into all kind of drugs includeing Fentanyl, which shorten their life expectancy; while the Japanese who grow up in the "lost decades" just become frugal as gently caress, which doesn't necessarily impact their long life expectancy.

If you have been to a Daiso store, that's the Japanese lost decade.

There's still copious drinking, smoking, and "slipping and falling off light rail platforms just as the train comes in" for legal purposes.

Doing a barbecue, but it was raining, and whoops forgot to open the windows! Going to see the gorges hike the scenic foothills of Mt. Fuji especially the volcanic forests! Subsisting entirely off famichiki! An entire wonderland of things you know exactly what will happen and just don't care, they're only a little slower and less fun in the moment than the rust belt options.

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Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
Floating through the Japanese alt-anything, mostly alt-right because :shobon:, twittersphere this morning:


The year numbers you can figure out yourself it's not even eras, the data charted is "change in global (employee) compensation", 100 is normalized to 1991 data, and those labels on the right are US UK CA DE IT FR JP. Source is OECD.

E: the telop is "seriously, this is the future?! the new iPhone costs a month's wages now"

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