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Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

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steinrokkan posted:

Has anything come out of the Qatar embargo?

Absolutely nothing.
The embargo is slowly loosening.


But youll never hear it announced.

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Feb 13, 2012

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khwarezm posted:

Yeah, but the Gulf states are also Uber rich and have a young, rapidly growing population too, not to mention tremendous social and political influence around the Middle East, especially so long as somewhere like Saudi Arabia controls the holy cities.

Saudi holding Mecca amounts for a lot of goodwill, which they are rapidly pissing away with their rampant economic exploitation of Islams most holy site.
Seriously when you look up from the vicinity of the loving kaaba and see a testament to the sheer wealth of gulf states crowding out space in an already packed area.

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Nov 9, 2017

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:psypop:
When will this morally decrepit gently caress keel over and die already

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Toplowtech posted:

Also do you remember when there was that Muslim country in the 70s with a "progressive" dictator who was westernizing his country? I can't remember the country name. Ira- something. Whatever happened to them?

Well this time there isnt the perfidious pinko to half justify a cassus belli or 'freedom fighter' funding.


Id get uncertain about the future if it was a socialist/actually progressive coup. Rather than a slight tilt along the winds of inevitable loving change.

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Nov 17, 2017

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Anta posted:

Supposedly there was also a Norwegian officer with Turkish background trolling NATO internal social media with a fake Erdogan account, posting anti-NATO things in Erdogans name.

Now this
This is fuckin hilarious

The NATO have their own dead gay forum

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Feb 13, 2012

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https://dci.tms.hrdepartment.com/jobs/291/Fighter-controller-instructor-H-FDoha-Qatar
:thunk:

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

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He will take pills to remove the internal Gulen in him.

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Kurtofan posted:

Kafir is already plural

Kuffar :eng101:
Or
Kafiroon
Or
When talking about only 2
Kafiran

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

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Welp
So much for quality in AJE

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Is Arab despair more like sexy French depression or more like desperate Chinese fatalism? :thunk:

Arabic despair is like dying of thirst at sea.

So its really ugly and protracted and invariably leads to delusions and hallucinations or curled up in the fetal position waiting to die.

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TheBalor posted:

I don't understand why SA still has to import scientists and doctors like they do. Surely they can afford to give their best and brightest educations at the finest universities, then bring them back with high salaries. Or, at the least, have members of their own absurdly oversized royal caste acquire the skills.

Why grow internally when you have ready-to-work imports that you have absolute control over? Hire people with rights? Are you mad?
Employee getting uppity? bye bye and say hello to your replacement as you exit. It's entirely common for a cohort of employees being brought in and then when the law states that they get a raise they get laid off and then given an offer for their same (or lower) salaries.

It's at will employment with a side of at will deporting.

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Mar 16, 2018

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mlmp08 posted:

The newest US army doctrine has "consolidating gains," as in not pissing away all your progress, as a major cornerstone they're hammering into the leadership.

I don't know that the admin is helping with this.

Lol trumps brains worms continue to make poo poo worse

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Cat Mattress posted:

Take note of the knife they're sharpening when they say that.


a foot long blade
your name engraved
you wont feel a thing
until it effortlessly slides in

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Sinteres posted:

I thought this article about what losing in Afghanistan might look like was pretty interesting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/world/asia/afghanistan-war.html

While I think there's something to the idea that Western backing promotes elite complacency and corruption, I have very little faith that they'd pull it together without us since the way we've cycled through periods of engagement and withdrawal doesn't seem to have made a dent so far. I thought the linked article (https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/full/10.1162/ISEC_a_00292) in the part about civil war which discusses how and why extremists tend to prevail in extended conflicts (in part because people believe they won't be as cynical and corrupt as more typical leaders) was particularly interesting, since it has obvious applications in this thread beyond just Afghanistan.

Its not that western backing in and of itself promotes corruption.
Its who the west backs that does that. And usually its the first person that says 'Yes I will work with you'/'further your interests in the region, fingers crossed'

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Apr 2, 2018

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This is loving hilarious

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Al-Saqr posted:

Syrian forces begin abandoning airports And bases in anticipation of the strike that trump is barking about but not doing yet

https://twitter.com/alarabytv/status/984060272439648256

This pretty much confirms my suspicion that trumps bluster is his way of minimizing the actual damage he can do to Syrian forces.

No you see its ten story checkers and hes going to bomb where they going to be so america has infrastructure to garrison when they go in.

All part of infrastructure week.

Countdown until he tweets state secrets.

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Feb 13, 2012

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Ginger Beer Belly posted:

Thanks for the clarification. Is there any nuance to be gained from the fact that this graffiti referred to DJT as "the father of Ivanka" as opposed to some other reference?

Its more for meter (as in the poetic kind) than anything else.

Abu iv/an/ka al/lah yeh/deek
Dhar/btek mithl fas/wat el/deek

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rear end posted:

Middle East story: back during the PS2 days pretty much all videogame stores sold bootleg games for ~$3 a disk and I got GTA Vice City at the ripe age of 7.

And bootleg GBA carts for around ~10 bucks.
Granted that meant youd have to throw the dice and not end up with a game that isnt the one on the label or a completely unintelligible machine translation.

Getting your PS2 chipped was a pro move back in the day.

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Sinteres posted:

I should have added Netanyahu has a domestic constituency of his own, and this is obviously catnip for his base.

"Im votin Likud because DID YOU SEE THAT BOMB THEYRE AT 90%"

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Freakazoid_ posted:

Trump's bankai is kinda like Mayuri's, except instead of spreading poison gas it just pisses itself.

I thought he already unleashed it over London.


Urinate, Kintamagashoben
(the kanji reads "Piss is stored in the balls")

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Jul 28, 2018

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Al-Saqr posted:

wonderful.

Arabs and muslims have no friends. all are only interested in our death and oppression. all of our governments are colonial death machines. nobody is going to save us from our governments. millions of arabs are gonna have to die before a single free and fair election ever takes place.

lol isnt it funny how middle east despots are going to probably be the root cause of WW3

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Toplowtech posted:

The real question is: do you want Afghanistan to be your responsibility as a puppet country until the end of time? The thing is if you get out, you better bring all the pro-US people there with you back to the states (or they will be killed). And let's be honest, your current president isn't really into allowing mass migration of Muslims people into your country, even when they risked their life for America.

Its a hole the US has dug for itself in many places other than Afghanistan, its just that in Afghanistan theyve stuck around.
The gist of it is: Sponsor the absolute scum of the earth with money and weapons for as long as they pay you lip service, kill or let them kill anyone else whose interests do not currently align with your short term ones. People? What people theres only money and geopolitical power to be made here.

Then act indignant when the aforementioned absolute scum of the earth turn their scumminess towards you.

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Sep 12, 2018

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Fuckin incelamists.

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Yet Another Middle East Intervention (even if all it amounted to increased aid and training) would have been seen as political suicide to those oh so levelheaded folk in power at the time, even if it was undeniably the right thing to do, if only to bolster against oppurtunists rushing in to fill a power vacuum.

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I dunno
Hard to say what could have happened, but completely dropping the ball and pretending nothing happened sure helped noone but extremist militia who were already poised to jump in.

They couldve propped up an actual democratic process, couldve provided more aid to the people, all of these are couldves, only seen in retrospect, since Islamists throwing a shitfit after an election loss is a certainty. Im not a proponent of western intervention, far from it, and unanimously decrying intervention has a 99.9% chance of being right, but nothing is what has led us here, and here is pretty bad.

(Also i didnt claim to be right, but an intervention would be, given earlier western contribution, its more a fix of what they broke thought.)

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Sep 29, 2018

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LeoMarr posted:

Are the sauds settingup a coup in qatar

Theyve been trying
With the usual saudi rate of success.

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Feb 13, 2012

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But I think theyve given up a bit on that and the main idea being workshopped is the great Saudi-Qatari border Moat.
To keep all those qataris out. Boy they sure will miss all of our saudi exports that we have already stopped.

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FlamingLiberal posted:

I don’t know what’s worse- that or all the quotes I keep reading from investors at that Saudi conference who keep saying stuff like ‘well, what happened to the man is horrible, but this stuff happens all the time in the ME so let’s not let that get in the way of business’.

Oh you don't mean the class of people who are universally terrible loving pieces of poo poo who dont deserve the air they're stealing from others.

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Feb 13, 2012

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Flayer posted:

Echo chamber not echoing enough for you is it? The guy is a loving moron but don't start calling for people to be banned because you don't like their politics. Having your viewpoints challenged is healthy.

Me (an idiot)
Genocide and war apologia should be shunned and given no platform for debate.
You (an intellectual)
Actually genocide and wsr apologia is part of a complete and nutritious conversation

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

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In Algeria news:
Elections postponed
Boutef did a cabinet shuffle
He is not running for a fifth term
An independent election committee is going to be appointed to oversee the elections when they happen.
A Committee for Reform will be held before the end of 2019.

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Feb 13, 2012

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Boutef legitimately enioys(ed) widespread support in Algeria thanks to presiding over the 90s civil war and for his actions during. And a majority of the voting population (age 30+) remembers that period. The problem with a puppet is that the FLN leadership outside Boutef are seen as incompetent and corrupt, the people would only accept him.

As for fairness in Elections, its never really been investigated, nor have there been any scandals, aside from accusations from other candidates and parties. Its a mystery box, but signs point to not really.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

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Lol there are pro-privatisation ad campaigns being run on Saudi channels.
And its using the ancient and molded over arguments of efficiency, customer orientation and competetion.

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Privatization of what, exactly?

Healthcare, Utilities, government services.
importing the US system is what Ive garnered.

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 13:09 on May 27, 2019

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Flayer posted:

It's more like Donald the Coward or Donald the Blusterer. You can conjure up all the crap you want about Trump because he is a narcissistic moron invested entirely in himself but if he doesn't start any wars, for whatever reason, that is a good thing whatever you feel about him as a person.

Started no wars
Made current ones worse

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

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And ISIS qanted to govern the lands they take so breaking all the utilities is self defeating.

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Squalid posted:

Do you think events in Algeria and Sudan have influenced protestors in Egypt? It’s funny these kinds of protests seem contagious.

Oh absolutely.
There's a strong sense of empathy, all countries mentioned being similarly domineered by a single head of state and their party for multiple decades. They see other peoples wanting to throw off the yoke and become inspired.

Now the sentiment was always there it just needed a little trigger.

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Considering how hosed Saudi Army organization is it wouldnt surprise me if brigades are limited in size just to prevent consolidation of power.

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Feb 13, 2012

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Sooo
Who gained what out of this
Because the last 3 years seemed like an exercise in futility

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