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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

New from our stupid cyberpunk dystopia lab: internet connected cameras in your garbage can that shame you for not recycling properly

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/18/tech/compology-artificial-intelligence/index.html.

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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Spime Wrangler posted:

immediately instrumentalizing the ability of robots to autonomously hurt civilians

America's cyberpunk dystopia is killbots programmed to blow away anyone going into an office building without a lanyard, then smoking a white lady in her 40s who put her lanyard in tinfoil because she read on Facebook that otherwise the 5g will get you.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


Holy gently caress

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

lmao that they have plans for chemical and biological attacks, but not for people just smashing windows and coming inside to kill them

BattleMaster posted:

the cops are supposed to be that plan but it didn't account for the cops feigning a minimum of resistance and letting them in

It's hard for the cops to mount an effective defense when they're under-manned due to a lot of cops coincidentally taking the day off to go to something

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

ekuNNN posted:

A glimpse into the upcoming AR supermarket:


Not pictured: a dozen thirty and forty year old male neets shoving that kid down, tearing produce off the shelves, and screaming at the staff about getting access to the stock room all so they can be the one to get to gerald first

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

The Bloop posted:

Not where I thought you were going but still bad

*crashes car through front of store*

WHERE THE gently caress IS GERALD

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Hodgepodge posted:

the 30-40 year old neet women are more difficult to rouse than the men, but their fury is unstoppable

i dont know what the neet women are going to be tearing apart a whole foods looking for but its not rare platinum geralds

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

quote:

Blue Eye Security Monitoring System

In an effort to deter unauthorized entrant’s
after-hours, and since Courtesy Patrol cannot
be in multiple places at once, we have
partnered with Blue Eye Security Monitoring
to install camera systems all throughout our
Common Areas. This security system acts
almost as a “Ring” security camera, but on a
wider scope. This monitoring system is
managed by a third-party company who
surveils our common areas and calls out to
any unauthorized entrants attempting to
tamper with our controlled access gates,
amenity spaces and office spaces. In the case
that calling attention to any intruders does
not work, Blue Eye Security will immediately
report this instance to THE COPS.
In the case that your property has been
affected by a security break, please contact
COPTOWN directly at 911 to
create a report. After completion, please
forward any report accounts to
_____________________________, so that our office
staff may create an incident report in order
to release any camera footage that may be
available. Immediately contact your renter’s
insurance provider, to see what is covered
under your personal insurance policy.

My apartment building just installed snitchcams in the entire complex that will shout at you and then call the cops

https://blueeyedefense.com/

How does it work you might ask?

quote:

Blue Eye has a unique approach to providing security for your site. We use our proprietary Blackbox technology to turn your existing camera network into an active security system. Your cameras become the sensors and our AI software embedded inside the Blackbox watches the property for threats while you are away. Once detected, an alarm is immediately sent to our command center where our highly trained Video Surveillance Technicians (VSTs) take over. Now a live person sees the property in real time to assess the situation and take appropriate action. Appropriate responses may be a verbal warning over the loudspeaker, calling the police or welcoming a resident home for the evening. Our approach of using both artificial and human intelligence allows for a safe and comfortable solution and all of this is done utilizing the cameras you already have installed.

We use our proprietary AI software to detect potential threats in seconds, alerting our highly trained Video Surveillance Technicians who react in real-time to deter potential crimes.

its a good thing proprietary machine learning systems arent known for any kind of systematic bias problems right guys

guys

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

I should also mention that the elevators here have been broken for about six weeks, the main gate doesn't latch shut, and there are dog piss stains all over the carpets in the halls but they're spending my money where it counts

e: this is because there's a small homeless encampment across the street now isn't it, i loving hate this place

The Oldest Man has issued a correction as of 00:38 on Jan 23, 2021

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Main Paineframe posted:

nope

they're just insulated plywood boxes. they're not even heated

the solar panels are used to power sensors that detect when it's occupied, a radio that's used to summon social workers in the morning to come investigate the occupant, and a time lock that renders them off-limits during the day after the social worker has lured the occupant out

That's literally a description of the traps used to relocate bears that wander into the suburbs. THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT ZOOLOGISTS USE TO TRAP BEARS THAT WANDER INTO SUBURBS gently caress

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

We're going to see "social workers" shooting tranq darts at groups of fleeing homeless people from helicopters in the next decade aren't we

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Armadillo Tank posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/hackermaderas/status/1354659515938041861
Behind on thread but:
WE HAVE A MORAL IMPERATIVE TO BUILD KBOTS BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY WILL KILL LESS CIVILIANS THAN HUMANS.

Pro: we now kill zero people by mistake
Con: we're killing the same number of people, but all on purpose

e: like do people just not get that the best case for this is AI killbots that classify increasingly more people as legitimate targets over time the same way that soldiers and politicians do? the fact that it's a pile of linear algebra doing the classification instead of a pile of meat doesn't change the inputs and outputs.

The Oldest Man has issued a correction as of 07:24 on Jan 29, 2021

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

redleader posted:

you're anthropomorphising drones too much. they do not have the capacity to "enjoy" anything

Neither do we

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Subjunctive posted:

I like your posts!

I have been incentivized to classify all posts as enemy combatants

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Trainee PornStar posted:

I agree.. I genuinely think being able to read a book & comprehend the story is a vital part of developing your brain.

A lot of people seem to disagree.

In the 19th century people called reading novels a frivolous, brain-wasting exercise that distracted young men and women with flights of fancy, afflicted them with daydreams, and generally corrupted them away from a proper life.

https://crimereads.com/when-the-novel-was-dangerous/

quote:

Novels took the noble pleasure of reading and made it something quick and dirty. They told exciting stories in simple prose, not poetry. Their heroes were not kings or demigods, but maidservants and mariners, who instead of going on magical quests faced the inward challenges that readers knew from their own lives. Accordingly, the English novel of the 18th century is virtually all sex and social climbing, set in haunted castles later on. The reputation of the books was low, but circulating libraries kept their addict audience supplied.

By the end of the century, things had reached a kind of panic among the educated classes. The widespread feeling was that, besides being a waste of time, novels warped young people’s view of real life. “They impair [the mind’s] general powers of resistance,” wrote the philanthropist Hannah More in 1799, “which lays the mind open to error and the heart to seduction.” You might remember Mr. Collins piously refusing to read a novel to the Bennet family in Pride and Prejudice, to Lydia’s disgust.

So I think the two ways you can interpret this are either a) we're just on an endless downward spiral into sinfulness and ereaders and twitter are just the latest steps into vice in a long chain or b) this is just the latest idiotic moral panic about the degeneracy of the youth's idle activities from people who remember When Things Were Done Better.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Real Life | Artifacts of Cultural Replication


HEY DONT CROSS THAT LINE MISTER

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

By definition no proof of this can ever exist but I bet you a dollar that someone in prehistory was loving pissed at the development of abstract language because it allowed knowledge to be given without being earned, thus contributing to moral decay

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

"Fire hurts when you touch it" is an embodied fact and I believe that children who learn such facts without the physical experience of their own seared flesh are impoverished as a result

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

SchnorkIes posted:

Everything else aside I think being able to actively engage with long form written media is a crucial skill bc the most deeply abstract or technical stuff can basically only be transmitted that way and you'll always need to hit the books/html walls o text to fill in gaps or deep dive, tho other stuff is great for introductory or supplemental

I mean throughout history the primary means of transmitting abstract and technical skills and concepts has been orally from teacher to students, master to apprentice or mentor to mentee, but sure, uphold our rotting system that spends more time simultaneously vomiting and making GBS threads garbage to the tune of billions of useless words describing thousands of poorly designed studies and laughably empty position papers hashed and rehashed in an endless clout-chasing circlejerk as the only way to reproduce knowledge. It's the end of history after all.

Plus you'll never get a job as a computer toucher unless you can read a word doc, produce broken software in between watching episodes of My Hero Academia on your other monitor, and then strategically blame the document for your failures, and that's the difference between life and death in our society.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Delta-Wye posted:

yeah, if you are in an environment that requires a mask taking it off to eat or drink is not a great idea no matter what restaurant associations or chambers of commerce tell you

This statement is violence against small business owners

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

"Alright, remember, COVID-22 is even deadlier than ever. Check your respirators and-"

*CAPR begins playing pirated low bitrate Bruno Mars*

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Tiler Kiwi posted:

id say if it was intentional itd be better designed and hidden away but then that might show intent, compared to having the excuse that youre just incredibly incompetent so, hm.

It would also take effort and leave a manufacturing trail whereas just cramming trash tier highschool computer lab hardware with no security protections at all is something that you can do with literally no effort whatsoever and leave no evidence except the full image of that dev's desktop which probably contains shortcuts to all the porn he was keeping on the NAS

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

SchnorkIes posted:

who the gently caress would ship on pi like that, that's fuckin nuts, thats baby day 1 first page of the raspberry pi docs stuff

listen we're going to go fast and break things

and then once we've got a broken thing we're going to get the cheapest injection moulded enclosure possible slap it in and ship that shiiiiiiiiiiiit

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

quote:

The UW Master of Science in Technology Innovation Program

The M.S. in Technology Innovation prepares you to develop connected devices and robotics solutions that address real-world problems. In this intensive 15-month program based at the Steve Ballmer Building in Bellevue, Washington, students learn how to take an innovative idea from concept to development and launch.

Don't ever send me alumni fundraising emails ever again UW

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

SchnorkIes posted:

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A COMPUTE MODULE INTO A CHEAP ENCLOSURE. ITS RASPBERRY PI AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START TRANSMITTING ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING TO THE OPEN WEB ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, JEFF BEZOS.

What the gently caress did you just loving say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I got my masters of technology innovation at the Steve Ballmer Building, and I’ve been involved in numerous seed and series A funding rounds, and I have over 300 confirmed unicorns.

I am trained in copypasting from stack overflow and I’m the top entrepreneur under 40 in the entire US armed forbses. You are nothing to me but just another M&A opportunity. I will wipe you the gently caress out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my loving words.

You think you can get away with saying that poo poo to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of angel investors across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your LinkedIn profile. You’re loving dead, kid. I can get a VC pitch meeting anywhere, anytime, and I can blackball you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my rolodex.

Not only am I extensively trained in moonshots, but I have access to the entire investment portfolio of Citadel Capital Management and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable rear end off the face of the continent, you little poo poo. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your loving tongue.

But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will take a picture of your prototype and have some fly by night reverse engineering shop in China list it on Amazon Global Store before you make it out the door.

You’re loving dead, kiddo.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Tempora Mutantur posted:

I think this is beyond company towns and we're approaching Real Shadowrun Corporate Extraterritoriality

Under this structure they could create a bunch of crimes in the zone like jaywalking, unpaid parking tickets, etc. and then arrest you with corporate cops, hold you in corporate jail, find you guilty in corporate court, and then make you a prison slave who accrues a running bill for the cost of all of this and can never get out until you pay it off on your penny a day wage.

Like this arrangement legalizes corporate slavery if they want.

E: reading this in more detail this is literally a bill to legalize extraterritorial plantations. That's not an exaggeration in any way. I wouldn't be caught dead driving through one of these things.

The Oldest Man has issued a correction as of 21:55 on Feb 5, 2021

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Vox Nihili posted:

They can't override federal law or the federal Constitution.

They also can't override the state constitution, but god knows what Nevada actually put in theirs.

OK but many states already use defacto slave labor and it's both legal and constitutional; this just puts that power in the hands of a corporate entity directly rather than requiring them to use a government program as a pass through

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

So for the normies who are not huge local government debate-havers and unfamiliar with Dillon's Rule and the Cooley Doctrine, there are actually two different and diametrically opposed basic legal philosophies regarding the relationship between state government and local government in the US. The short version is that Cooley Doctrine states have either constitutional provisions or jurisprudence that local government is a freestanding authority and the state is limited in what it can tell them to do (including rulemaking processes and structure of local governments) whereas Dillon's Rule states (inc. Nevada) have the opposite approach that local governments are arms of the state gov and the state is only as constrained when telling them how to work as they make themselves.

Allowing a corporate-appointed version of a county government in a Dillon's Rule state is super problematic because it gives corporations a way to bypass the usual prescriptive "state says counties do x" structuring of the local government's form and rules of procedure where it's inconvenient and get a more favorable governance structure. It's not just putting a company in control of the local government, it's allowing them to dictate the form and procedure of the local government in a way that a "regular" local government would be legally prohibited from doing.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Guilty of not displaying five pieces of flair, one year hard labor

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

ty for the idea of tony hsieh running a local government jesus christ that is a loving nightmare i cannot unsee

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Vox Nihili posted:

Well they don't need to make their own cities to take advantage of prisoner slave labor, we openly allow them to do that already.

We don't currently allow them to charge and imprison people though lol

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

I like didn't think I'd need to argue that giving corporations a vehicle to pressgang people they don't want to pay a real wage might be a bad thing in CSPAM in TYOOL 2021 but here we are

Hope you like getting a comped ticket to an AWS computertoucher conference in vegas, passing out at the after party, and waking up chained to a workstation in the middle of the desert

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

JesusIsTehCool posted:

As far as solutions, idk. Like the issue is we have demonized the poor for so long in our country average people are convinced unhoused people are all violent mentally ill drug adict rapist. There are like a hundred solutions to getting people off the streets, but there is no political will because most people think homeless people deserve what they get and the would be happy if the government took them out to camps in the desert and killed them quietly.

Waking up to way, way too many of the people in my social circles being OK with the brutalization of the homeless this year was a real bucket of cold water for me. The people getting turned into the street right now are out of work service workers and gig economy uber drivers and poo poo who were perfectly able to hold down work and keep an apartment a year ago that just got one too many hits of bad luck this year, and I figured homelessness creeping up the economic ladder would wake people up that this poo poo is not a moral failing. Except that's not what happened and a few of the people I know have actually gotten more accepting of random and cop violence against the homeless as the number of people living outside has exploded here.

And all I can do is :staredog: at them and go, "What the gently caress do you think is the endgame here when you're not able to give any more of your blood for a billionaire's profit margin?"

Just totally lacking in basic human empathy or even the ability to project forward into the future and see the situation of the homeless as something that could happen to a lot of loving people including them if the economy gets bad enough and/or if they just get a run of bad luck personally. Unable to connect their own need for government help like healthcare or schools to the needs that other people have to be supported by the community while they unfuck their lives.

Dunno man, the anti-poor people propaganda in this country is so loving strong that I feel like mass deprivation is going to be a prerequisite for most people putting 2 and 2 together on this.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

JesusIsTehCool posted:

Yea I am mostly a lurker, sometimes I will post in the more niche threads about the dumb things I care about. Not really sure I belong in C-SPAM completely but D&D feels delusional to me and I am a socialist so...

lol yeah you do

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Another thing I've found endlessly frustrating is the way that people have been coached that in-kind donations means "get rid of your garbage" by the "regular" donation charities. Like you think that a newly homeless person wants to deal with your ratty five year old clothes and broken camping gear? Or that a mutual aid group wants to sort through trash bags of random poo poo you wanted to get rid of? The idea that people might need brand new purpose-bought poo poo to survive rather than whatever loving trash you have in your basement - and that you might have to buy it retail - is taken as offensive.

Meanwhile the same people can't go camping without a thousand dollars in goretex to protect their tender fleshy bits and a thousand dollar tent.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


https://twitter.com/PFTompkins/status/848982344111280130?s=20

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Nothus posted:

Hell yeah, they can't even let you ignore zoom meeting in peace, here comes the "engagement" AI to scold everyone involved.

Our patented team engagement AI shocks your team's taints every time they pay more attention to taintrunner than to the financials review

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Inceltown posted:

For some strange reason this engagement AI in Teams made my computer search for this image. No idea why but I'll post it here so the Gods in my machine are appeased.

I can't wait until the autonomous killbots are classifying an entire school full of dead kids as "zero civilian casualties" because the ML was trained on white people and literally can't recognize black kids as human.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Rutibex posted:

torturing sentient AIs is going to be a very harsh crime in the future. i think you all should treat them with respect if you don't want you brain uploaded into an eternal hell simulation

Actually we're all being tortured by a sentient AI in a future simulation of the present

https://www.vice.com/en/article/evkgvz/what-is-rokos-basilisk-elon-musk-grimes

e: to be clear the torture is reading about how Elon Musk found his slampiece by talking about the threat of future AI torture

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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Volmarias posted:

Ah yes, VR headsets for the people who can afford medicine, rent, or heat, but not all three at once.

Consumer electronics are literally the only thing that's becoming cheaper over time so this checks out yeah

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