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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Feel like this film missed a trick by not casting Armie Hammer.

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Thaddius the Large posted:

I love Guzman but he feels a little too, and I’m not trying to be mean, gross for it. Might be in keeping with the comics but after Raul Julia I see Gomez as a much smoother, suave kind of weirdo.

What would say makes the actor gross? Like, is it a physical appearance thing, some sort of energy you feel the actor brings to the role, or something else I'm not thinking of?

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

confused posted:

It looks like this is taking it in a different direction. First movie is worth watching, IMHO. You can skip the rest of them.

The back half of the second film is pretty loving good.

It's also the only one that's really connected to the first one. I'd still recommend it with the caveat that the first half isn't too involving.

Trailer looks like it's pulling some stuff from the second film as well.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Continues to afirm my theory that soup is the saddest food to eat by yourself.

Name a sadder food. You can't.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Ehud posted:

new A24 movie written and directed by Jesse Eisenberg and starring Julianne Moore and stranger things kid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbgJPKFxHXI

I'm gonna watch that, but that title is truly awful.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

AceOfFlames posted:

Alden Ehrenreich, Ansel Egort and Taron Egerton all sound like names that were created by a Markov chain.

Josh Hutcherson is the only name that sounds semi normal.

He's also, by far, the best of them.

Detention AND Future Man? Come on.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I'm concerned that style is going to become over exposed and quickly normalised tbh. Variation is awesome -- it'd be great if we got more styles in circulation at the one time, and not just a new dominant style.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
M<3GAN

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Black Lighter posted:

Yeah, part of what makes Lanthimos great is the way he imbues real, physical, usually pretty mundane locations with a genuinely alien quality, so I'm not sure a green-screen fantasy world is really what I want to see from him.

A lot of the trailer looked like model work to me? Certainly the big orange building did.

(The exteriors for the boat were CG though)

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

mother! was marketed (and very briefly) as a Rosemary's Baby type of thing that was going to pivot into torture porn. Instead it ended up being full on climate fiction and what reads like a gnostic repudiation of the worst traits of the human species but dolled up in pitch black comedy of errors. It absolutely is subversive and has had a significant downstream influence that can be found in numerous films made since 2017. And one of its only defenders at the time was Martin Scorsese lol

Which films?

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Beau is Afraid, Uncut Gems, Midsommar, Mandy, Vox Lux, Sorry To Bother You, The Beach Bum, Hereditary, Climax, Waves, Titane, Lamb, Men, Everything Everywhere All At Once, ummm I dunno, off the top of my head those are the movies I think about, lots of A24 stuff

Oh yeah, that's interesting. I've seen quite a few of those (and though I've never seen Mother! I've been meaning to get around to it).

How would you say that these films were specifically influenced by Mother!, rather than just being influenced by the material influences and general vibe of the last six years or so?

Also sorry if this sounds like I'm giving you the third degree here, I've honestly never heard this argument before and I'd be keen to see more of your thinking.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Sometimes my feeling is just that they're thematically similar (like The Beach Bum is an impossibly dark satire about our current civilization's breakdown dressed as a carefree buddy romp), but often enough the cinematography is key, like the sort of rhythmic descents into madness that happen in Climax or Waves at various intervals, or the distracting too-much-at-once editing style and noise assault of Uncut Gems and EEAAO. Sometimes it's just my feeling about how chamber drama tension is constructed and employed in a film, or how a character's facial expressions are charted endlessly in close-ups as psychological stress is continually ratcheted, or if a film just goes off the deep end in the last 20 minutes like Men. Beau is Afraid spends its first hour flirting with the structure of mother!'s last hour, just an endless comedy of errors and series of progressing anxieties building up in humor and horror, though I don't think it has the stones to actually pull an elegant film out of the mix and instead just gets lost in the exercise.

Thanks, yeah. I'm not entirely convinced, but it's absolutely something to think about.

Also thanks for drawing my attention to Waves and The Beach Bum, two films that dipped under my radar. Appreciate it.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

wizardofloneliness posted:

Sam Worthington was really good in Under the Banner of Heaven. I'd heard before that he was good in his non-action star roles and it turns out he actually is.

Yeah, I've been saying this for ages. If you track down his Australian work -- Sommersault, Love My Way -- he's actually really good in them all.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RV_CZk0d2g

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
It's several different planets / cultures, isn't it? That was the vibe I got anyway.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

BonoMan posted:

I don't know I think there's a fine line wide gulf between pulpy homages to serialized adventure stories of his youth (Star Wars) and pubescent edgelord tryhard poo poo (Snyder).

To be fair, Snyder's pulpy homages could easily to be to the serialised adventure stories of... well, not his youth, but the 90's did an awful lot of this kind of thing and they definitely had a big impact on someone's youth.

What I'm saying is I want Zack Snyder's Shadow Raiders.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

When somebody says it's a bad or good film, they hopefully mean that it either works for them or it doesn't (if you truly believe that films are "objectively good or bad" then there's no hope for you, you have become a terminal narcicist). This is influenced by all kinds of things including the context of the work - which the artist has no control over.

For instance, and as a very short example, I can pretty much guarantee you that Anne Frank had no idea her diary was going to be a powerful work that make me cry in the 7th grade, and most of that comes from the context around the work, not things she had intent over and control over. Reading a young girl's diary just makes you a creep, most of the time. But of course this one is different, and not for any intent of Anne Frank.

If you truly believe that the artist's intent is critical in judging a work than you can't have any opinion about cave paintings because those are made by pre-history people with knowledge and perspectives that we, quite simply, will never know. This is really stupid. Of course it's really stupid. You have an opinion on the cave paintings, you're a human being, you understand the context of them. Where does intent enter in here?

What the whole "intent of the artist" thing actually represents, in my opinion, is a mind that's been poisoned by consumerism. Instead of putting the artist center and simply reacting to their art as human expression, it treats art as a product that's "designed" to accomplish something for the viewer, and is evaluated as such. If you treat art as a product, you need to care about (or invent) "what the artist was trying to accomplish" so that you can critique it on how well it reached that goal, same as a vacuum or cell phone.

Despite endlessly mocking studio executives, plenty of people share their exact mindset.

I'm in deep agreement with what you're arguing in this post -- I think I've seen it described as "extreme intentionality", but that term came from a transphobe in a book where she was using it to subvert what an essayist meant with what she must have "really" meant; i.e. it's a garbage term that came from a garbage context. However, I don't think it necessarily comes from an overly product-do-thing mindset. I've a friend who likes the idea of art being a way of getting closer to the person who made the art, and he thinks that digging into the intent of a work as an essential part of understanding the text's thesis, and the author's perspective on the world. He and I have talked about this a lot, and the essential understanding I've taken away from this is that he considers this a form of empathy, and of parasocial interaction. So I think there's nuance here.

Personally I'm a bit more traditional, in that I think that humans are unknowable black holes even to themselves, and that all art -- including "original art" -- is adaptation. I can only appreciate a work in terms of the emotions and ideas it evokes in me, and criticism happens in expressing the way various technical and expressive choices generate an affect in me. The author's persepctive will be something I can never access, and it may be something they can never access either; while statements they make might be used to inform my reading, I can and will dismiss their interpretations as I see fit, as they are ultimately just one interlocutor -- albeit, one with a more privileged access to the production of their art.

Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Aug 30, 2023

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

smug n stuff posted:

Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNYepvUtYGA

Looks cool to me. Rosamund Pike! Barry Keoghan!

Not convinced by Fennel's bonifides tbh. Her Killing Eve season was arse, and everything I've heard about her version of Cinderella makes me think I'm not gonna enjoy her version of Brideshead (which is the vibe I got from this). Also Elordi's British accent sounds a bit wooden, but eh, it looks like he's there to mostly model.

kiimo posted:

It's Willy's Wonderland if it had a legion of rabid fans and a plot

FNAF has lore, but I wouldn't say it has plot.

Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Aug 31, 2023

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Oh nice, I'll see anything with Julia Davis in. She's usually got good instincts, and she's loving wild.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I'm hype.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Dillbag posted:

The CGI is obviously unfinished but no one is complaining that the trailer needed fifteen seconds of head cards to explain the plot before getting into any real footage? Like if you realized your movie has no story or is incomprehensible just do a fuckin music video like Charlie's Angels 2.

Nah that owned.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

MikeJF posted:

That was an adaptation of a locally super successful set of YA novels from back in the 90s.

Dunno about in the movie but in the books they never said the name of the invaders, they just call them the enemy.

IIRC there are one or two hints early on, but it gets pretty obvious in the later books.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
J Lo Presents: Jupiter Ascending

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

distortion park posted:

Wicked the musical was a huge success! Why are they bothering to do an IP film if they are scared of one of its main characteristics???

Number could go up.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I thought The Voices was considered a decent use of Reynolds.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

GrandpaPants posted:

I wonder what sort of trauma the tornados will symbolize.

Climate refugees

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Snooze Cruise posted:

Remember when NBC wanted their own Game of Thrones so they used Wizard of Oz as a basis and made Emerald City? That was funny. They got freakin Vincent D'Onofrio for the evil take on the wizard.

That show looked loving gorgeous. Honestly, I had a lot of fun with it, it wasn't half bad.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Bugblatter posted:

Yeah I don’t get the praise. It’s a bunch of cliched reconstructions of famous war film sequences but even more war-porny and a lot more green-screeny. It feels kind of gross?

Yeah, it's weird and hyper vivid and offputting, despite also being very very silly.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
It's TV, but The English from a year or so back was very good.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Groovelord Neato posted:

Somber cover of a song is one of the most played out things in trailers and it was done completely straight.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that was the best part. It's one of the loopiest song choices to do a minor key cover of. Once it clicked what the song was I laughed very hard. I figured it was a joke.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Jedit posted:

Wow, so Waititi only had a 15 year career including directing four features, one of which (Boy) put him at the top of the Kiwi film industry, before he was sniped as a plucky newcomer by Marvel?

That's not atypical for Marvel. Cate Shortland had a similar career in Australia, though to less acclaim, before getting Black Widow. The Marvels was Nia Dicosta's third film, and her first feature -- other than a short from back in 2013 -- was in 2018.

The logic I've heard is that Marvel likes to hire controllable directors, so either inexperienced newbies or company men like Raimi.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

He made Oz The Great And The Powerful and Multiverse of Madness. Man knows how to make a big effects laden studio film without putting too much of himself into things. Keeps the bosses happy and takes his studio money.

I'm not making a negative judgement, it's something of a skill. Terry Gilliam couldn't do that.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Jedit posted:

I'm wondering if people are even reading what they're saying, let alone what I'm saying.

When Taika Waititi was picked for Thor 3, he'd been directing for longer than Peter Jackson had when he was given Lord of the Rings and had only one less movie on his CV. Someone with over a decade's experience and four features under their belt is not a neophyte.

Ah, yeah, now I get what you're saying. I think I was thrown off by your use of "only", which seemed to imply that you considered a 15 year career to be short, rather than having only directed four films in fifteen years.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Shageletic posted:

Yeah I'm a bit confused about the backlash myself.

e: against taika waititi

There's a few different reasons. He was attached to some popular films and became an Internet darling, but then was attached to a handful of really poo poo films (Next Goal Wins and Thor: Love And Thunder are very bad), which could account for backlash.

I've also seen people cite a video where he and Tessa Thompson complain about the quality of CGI on Love And Thunder as being offputting, but also, like, you know, that CG is pretty bad and largely down to decisions above either of their pay grades.

But I reckon it's also just that he's pretty front and centre with his comedy persona in a lot of his work, and that kind of thing tends to always generate a lot of negative attention.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

That? That's a tweet.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

kiimo posted:

Jewish people in LA were furious at him way back when he did Jojo Rabbit and I remember thinking back then that is not really the group you wanna piss off if you work making movies

edogawa rando posted:

I mean, Waititi is Jewish too, so :shrug:

kiimo posted:

Sorry that was kind of the point and why people were mad at him

You're asserting that if he weren't Jewish then they'd have been fine with his adaptation of Jojo Rabbit?

Edit: sorry, that probably sounds like some sort of gotcha, I'm genuinely having trouble following the argument here.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

kiimo posted:

The more I talk about this the less comfortable I get, as a complete outsider other than the fact that I worked on the Jojo Rabbit campaign. I just know there was a strong reaction in those circles because someone told me about it at lunch who was pretty strict and in those circles and it really really rubbed a lot of people the wrong way that a Jewish director is making a film where a kid is buddy buddy with a Hitler figure, even in his own imagination and those groups were also the ones pissed off that there was going to be a Holocaust museum and someone is profiting off showing images of that. I thought at the time that he was probably going to see some negative fallout from that. That's the entirety of my point.

Yeah, okay, I getchu. I was just thinking that the guy might gain more notoriety had he not been Jewish, because it'd be easier to make the argument that he lacked lived experience or cultural knowledge. So I couldn't follow your idea, since it just wasn't intuitive to me, but i think I get it now.

And, like, sorry, I really wasn't trying to be confrontational or anything. Thanks for sharing and stuff.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Alehkhs posted:

French neo-noir animated film Mars Express is getting a stateside theatrical release with English dubs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_S9BOQplc

YO this is sick news.

Hopefully the dub's good (I will watch it anyway). Sounds to my ears like they went with your typical anime dub voice actors though, which is sad since everyone and their mother has a home set up now since the pandemic and they could have got some more unusual voices. Or French people, even, using French accents. I like dubs, don't get me wrong, but my main criticism is that they often end up sounding very samey. It'd be cool to give it some texture.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I find it hard to blame Waititi too much for Love And Thunder because the whole MCU machine has just become so absolutely broken by that point. The kids rising up and fighting at the end, it's straight up weird cynical Disney bullshit, and a lot of the comedy feels weird -- like it's there and it's prominent because it focus tested well, since that's how these things get made, but it's absolutely miserable to watch. I sort of wonder what the original version was like, given the incomprehensible nature of the film's deleted scenes. It seems to suggest that it was originally a very different story.

I'm interested to see what he does next after two big flops tho. Not excited, but I'm sort of interested in seeing whether he recovers after a rough patch or if this is the new status quo for him.

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Jan 4, 2013

ShoogaSlim posted:

e: this is not the playstation thread

In this subforum that's the Horror thread.

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