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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I can see an argument being made for having non-models model clothing so you can see what clothing looks like on "normal" people. With that being said, don't loving model underwear on your staff. gently caress Linus Media Group, I hope the good staff all jump ship to their own endeavors and form their own group where they aren't in such a toxic work environment.

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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



gradenko_2000 posted:



This is starting to have an outside chance of reaching escape velocity (for the worse)

Is he the one with the ants?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



beep by grandpa posted:

Can anyone find the full statement from this week of Linus denying Madison's accounts "to his recollection" or whatever? Now that there are 3 rock solid accounts*** corroborating that she absolutely was was making those complaints at the time and he 100% knew about it and is caught lying, I just want to read it again so I can get mad

*emily young, current lmg staff
*colin (??), former lmg staff
*leaked vid of the meeting linus talking about a staff departure & harassment protocols (I still can't get over the company policy of "pls take up your sexual harassment grievance with that individual first", I've never heard of that anywhere in my career)

This interview? A masterclass in weasle-wording and suspiciously specific denials.

The Verge posted:

We reached out to Sebastian about these latest accusations, and he responded via email, saying:

I was in a state of shock reading through these allegations, plain and simple. They aren’t consistent with my recollections. They aren’t consistent with our internal processes. They aren’t consistent with our company values.

We pride ourselves on maintaining a safe and inclusive environment. In addition to our existing report systems (both anonymous and otherwise) we’ve proactively reached out internally today to encourage members of our team to report any workplace bullying or harassment they might be experiencing so we can take quick and decisive action.

Our HR team will be conducting a more thorough assessment of the allegations, and when we are ready, we will release a more complete statement. For now I would ask that we allow our team the time they need be as thorough as possible.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Really, when they got to the point where "our video editor has devised a way to edit the video without having to see Linus' junk", the fact that the editor has had to devise such a system should have been a MASSIVE red flag internally that something was wrong with the workplace culture.

"Oh, we have internal systems in place in case anyone is uncomfortable" doesn't really hold up when "this situation that shouldn't happen outside of a porn studio or TLC" keeps happening.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



"We're going to pause releasing all videos... EXCEPT the one where Linus talks without a filter."

That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



While the prospect of a WAN show was entertaining, I'll settle for the mental image of the CEO trying to explain to Linus why he can't do the show, and building up to just shouting "SHUT THE gently caress UP. JUST SHUT THE gently caress UP. YOUR TALKING GOT US INTO THIS SITUATION SO JUST SHUT THE gently caress UP!."

I mean, he probably didn't, but it's a funny mental image.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Arivia posted:

Linus didn't get them into this situation. That Labs goober did.

I thought Linus was the one that made the "More accurate than GN" crack in the lab tour video that got the ball rolling on this whole shitshow? Either way, Linus definitely has the "Should have shut up three sentences ago" problem where he tends to turn something as simple as "I'm sorry" into a deflection of all blame onto everyone else.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Comatoast posted:

meh. Show me convictions. Allegations don't mean much. And we already knew that you don't go to LTT for quality reviews, you go for the absurdity.

:nms::nws:I have your convictions right here.:nms::nws:

[edited by Internet Explorer: added nms/nws tags]

Somebody fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Aug 19, 2023

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Comatoast posted:

gently caress me for being reasonable and not jumping to conclusions. Are you guys all insiders that know stuff the rest of the internet doesn't?

For someone who had no idea what was going on, you're very quick to "reasonably" assume that LTT is completely blameless and Madison is lying despite A) other staff confirming what she said happened and B) Linus holding a company meeting the day after she left about the very subject (and dismissing it as "drama").

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I mean, considering how Linus ACTUALLY treats his staff and what he expects them to do, gently caress it, unionize and stick it to that toilet bowl brush of a human being. How much unpaid labor has he gotten out of them thanks to his "Oh, we're all one big happy family here" attitude while at the same time grinding them down into bone meal?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I just wanted to apologize to anyone who actually clicked on the goatse link, I should have tagged it but I also wanted comatoast to be dumb enough to blindly follow a link without checking the url, and seriously, gently caress that person.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Vando posted:

He gives me big "haha so this is a thing an rear end in a top hat would say, I'm saying it to you, but we all know I'm not an rear end in a top hat so it doesn't count right? haha isn't the workplace so fun and relaxed now we can be chill about these things" vibes

"Hey we're all friends here, you wouldn't mind spending your next few weekends running wiring and heat pumps for an idea of mine, would you? Thus wouldn't be work-work, so it would be unpaid, but I'll totally owe you a solid later!"

Two days later: "Hey, listen, I know you asked for Monday off for an important doctor's important, but you know we're reaaaaally pressed for time on this review that we can't be bothered to do properly. Can't you just reschedule it to a weekend or something?"

I think we've all had bosses like that.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



mewse posted:

Socialblade is saying the main LTT channel lost 1.2 mil video views - did they remove some videos?

Did they take down the Billetlabs video yet? That would probably account for that (and if not, good lord why are they keeping it up?)

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



grack posted:

The Billet labs video is still up, because LMG is provably run by a complete piece of poo poo.

mewse posted:

Ah, ok. So nobody else has to go to reddit:



These two back to back is just... "editorial accuracy". So in other words, LMG is saying that the Billet Lab video, aka: "This video where we used the wrong card for testing this product, admitted we hosed up and refused to test it properly because it would cost us two whole backpacks of money" is "editorially accurate" for them to keep up. Instead of taking it down because, oh what's a good CYA line... "The testing on the product in this video was horribly performed and does not live up to the standards expected by LMG. We apologize to Billet Labs for the mishandling of the product, but due to us no longer having the heat block, we are unable to properly retest it."

There, that took me 5 minutes to come up with and write.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Fil5000 posted:

Yep, the purpose of the review was to convince people it was too expensive to be worth it, and it is so it doesn't matter how much poo poo he did wrong

I wonder how mad Linus would be if someone bought his screwdriver and then complained that it was a poor hammer or prybar...

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



But what store carries the screwdriver so I can... "borrow" it without giving LMG my money?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



... does Amazon still have a generous return policy?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Isn't one of their sponsors a waterblock company?

I don't want to sound :tinfoil: but if someone inside LMG came out and said that Linus intentionally hosed up the Billet Labs waterblock review and refused to give it a fair review while still calling it crap to stay on a sponsor's good side, I wouldn't give Linus the benefit of doubt at this point.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Happy_Misanthrope posted:

He actually says critiquing reviewers like LTT is punching down

I watched the timestamp up to when he said punching down and... huh? Maybe I missed something by not watching the video, but does he have a different definition of "punching down" than the rest of society? There is no way that GN can be "punching down" at LMG considering that LMG is at least an order of magnitude larger than GN. If anything, GN is the channel I would expect more mistakes to be coming from with their small handful of staff (at least that I can find online), and not the company that has over 100 employees.

It's like complaining that a small 100-odd staff gaming studio releasing a highly polished game is making the major 1000+ employee companies look bad for churning out shovelware. Aaaaaaaaaaand someone's about to show Ian doing just that, aren't they?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



...I'm sorry, the WHAT? I refuse to watch that video outside of the short timestamped bit, please, PLEASE tell me you're joking.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Klyith posted:

The idea that pointing out factual error is "punching down" even if LTT were a smaller target is loving moronic.

If some pipsqueak YT channel made a video with some tests that had terrible execution and were full of bad info, and that vid started getting circulated in the tech-sphere with people saying it was good, then GN would be 100% fine wrecking them by saying how they were wrong. The only thing this hypothetical youtuber would deserve for being small is a kinder tone of delivery in the correction.


Also Dr Ian is the guy who got in a really dumb slapfight with Linus about DDR megatranfers vs megahz nitpicking. Apparently that's fine?

The only way I could really see a video like GN's "punching down" would be if it was targetting something like Dawid Does Tech Stuff, where his videos are less "reviews" and more "documenting the weird poo poo found on Wish/AliExpress and seeing if they are anywhere close to realistic on their claims". His videos tend to be "Here's what the card claims to be, here's what's actually on the board, here's how it does in these 3 games, thank God nothing exploded". Not the most in-depth, but he never claimed to be.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



BlankSystemDaemon posted:

If you're looking to buy anything from Wish/AliExpress, that seems infinitely more useful than the utterly useless drivel LMG has been publishing under the umbrella of "tech entertainment".

Oh for sure, but he also doesn't present it as an in-depth analysis and comparison of the card against its competitors, his videos tend to be much more of "trip reports" than out-and-out in-depth reviews. Which is fine, and his style is much more suited for what he does.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Do we have a heat pump thread anywhere? We've been talking about getting heat pumps installed but I don't know what the best option would be and don't want to clog up the thread with my questions.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



gradenko_2000 posted:

I like Tim Hortons 😅 it's much better than Starbucks

Starbucks has tasty iced teas that I can get raspberry syrup in, while the best I can get at Tim's is a Chai tea with 2 cream 2 sugar that runs the range from "a slightly sweet, creamy spiced tea" to "slightly sweet brown water no matter how long I leave the tea bag in". I can't stand coffee, the stuff is more foul than Satan's diarrhea after taco night, but I do enjoy me some nice teas.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



spunkshui posted:

He lied about already having a hold of billet labs before steve put out his piece.

The trust is dead for me, he needs to step down and retire or admit he intentionally lied multiple times.

I would feel differently if that post did not exist, but it does.

There is a non-zero chance that Linus wrote, shot the video and began uploading it before anyone actually thought to check the emails and they , but I won't give him the benefit of doubt there. I'm really hoping they're using this break to get their poo poo together, but I won't give them the views to find out.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I hate that I dipped into the LTT reddit to see what the initial drama was all about, now I keep getting poo poo from that subreddit popping up and all I can say is that it looks like LMG can fall right back into their old habits without any concern because GN is apparently worst than Hitler and Satan's lovechild all because he didn't reach out to Linus about the Billet Lab prototype before making the initial story (all while conveniently ignoring both the rest of the issues and that it's not like LMG reached out to Billet about the prototype before putting up their hit piece in the first place). Just a whole bunch of sock-and-sandals lickers who believe Linus is the second coming of Jesus.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Ok Comboomer posted:

really? I figured they’d be mad at him for causing Linus all of this obviously undeserved drama

No, they're now made at Steve for daring to not reach out to Linus first before talking about the Billet Labs situation, which means that everything else he said is LIES LIES drat DIRTY LIES FROM AN UNSCRUPULOUS LIER! From what I've seen, basically "How dare Steve tell everyone about how bad LMG is! How dare he punch down at the poor, poor multi-million dollar company for constantly churning out videos with false information and massive amounts of pressure on their staff. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes!". At least that's all you'll see because anyone actually defending Steve/GN gets down voted to oblivion.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I JUST got Reddit to stop showing me stuff from the LTT reddit, don't tempt me to go back to see the current shitshow.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I think you're giving Linus way too much credit, he is entirely stupid enough to try something like that. I don't think he did it this time, but he is that stupid.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Shugojin posted:

No that would be your company, which is should be distinct from your family.

Really, the person who named the company after himself, and who he shares part ownership with his wife, has trouble differentiating between his personal life and his work life?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Sudden Loud Noise posted:

Or like....make an LLC? It's almost as if there are thousands of laws to address the exact worry he had?

Canada doesn't allow LLCs. We have Limited Liability Partnerships, which I think are similar but functionally different.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



That's impossible! There's no way Linus would have kept his name out of his letters to the police.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Romes128 posted:

i think last year they showed that youtube is like less than 25% of their revenue. they make most of their money selling $200 backpacks and expensive screwdrivers. they'll survive.

I wonder how "We will not have warranties because people may try to make us stand by them" have affected those sales.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Ok Comboomer posted:

yes, but its purported mythical superiority over high quality DVD audio, never mind Blu-ray, is greatly overstated

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say laserdisc was higher quality than DVD, just VHS/Beta.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



InfiniteZero posted:

The commentary track for Mallrats infamously has a few sections where Kevin Smith and the cast laugh at how stupid DVD is because Laserdisc is much better and DVD will never catch on.

While that technically proves me wrong... who the gently caress cares about Kevin Smith's opinion?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Arivia posted:

There's a subset of people who watch retro tech channels for something kind of like ASMR - the footage/process of retrobriting or recapping a board is a calming, important part of a video to them. I wouldn't be surprised if 8bitguy was appealing to that crowd.

That was part of the reason I watched his videos along with RMC's restoration videos. That was also before his more chuddy aspects were more well-known, mind you.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Is there anyone in the top 250 channels that isn't an irredeemable piece of poo poo or a corporation?

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I don't mind YouTube recommendations because I've found a decent amount of smaller creators that way, and it doesn't take much effort to just tell it to not recommend people who are poo poo :shrug:

Plus I like the shorts because it keels giving me clips of people making delicious-looking food.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I just let the ads start then hit skip ad :shrug:

Whatever money youtube makes off the ads is worth far more than the hours of free entertainment the videos they host have given me. It's like a more-convenient public access channel.

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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



BlankSystemDaemon posted:

You're the product, because they make money off of selling ads using data about you.

Which data?

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