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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Darth Walrus posted:

The original was heavily into Eighties American culture (particularly gang culture), and had Vietnam’s legacy and the Cold War as major background elements. Interesting to hear that they managed to lift the story away from that seamlessly enough that you didn’t notice it.

Not quite seamlessly, IMO. The war scene felt like a Vietnam War scene to me despite being set in Iraq (although it's hard to pin down precisely why). Also, while obviously internalized homophobia still exists and gangsters are generally not very woke, the gay gangsters calling each other fags felt like a commentary on 80s attitudes. And the grimy atmosphere of Banana Fish's New York in general feels somewhat out of date.

I'll admit these are nitpicks, though.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jul 5, 2018

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

French right-wingers running false-flag bombings sounds rather stupid, to be honest. It's not like they need to raise any more fear, actual terrorists have already done their job for them. On the other hand extremely homoerotic Lupin sounds very good.

They don't actually do false flags, just intentionally fail to stop actual terrorists.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

That's not really any better, it's still on the level of "Bush did 9/11".

I agree that it's not actually realistic, but it's well within the baseline suspension of disbelief for the Lupin franchise, IMO.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

dogsicle posted:

i feel like a lot of the topical stuff in this new Lupin is just kinda there for some shallow relevancy (that it doesn't need)

That's fair. I think the biggest misstep in that regard was Ami revealing that she was abducted by child pornographers. That's a pretty heavy thing to just drop in passing in the middle of an episode where an anachronistic samurai fights a guy who dual-wields fishing rods.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
This season is turning out a lot better than I expected, to the point where I'm having trouble keeping up with all the shows I'm interested in (though that's partly because I'm busy with real-life stuff.)

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

DisDisDis posted:



whos the girl in red

I think it's a slightly off-model Kyouka.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Davincie posted:

media that solely depicts japan as a victim is a poor excuse for anti war media, imagine if germany only made endless movies about dresden. they commonly avoid anything that actually engages with the subject matter besides civilians getting hurt. actual media that engages with the war in other ways is rare and mainly falls within lines of rehabilitation (yamato), propaganda aimed at popularizing the military (kancolle, gup and so on), badly executed revisionism (joker game and other of its ilk) and a variety of alternative history.

true introspective media that comes near anything germany, america or russia has put out is rare and i can count the examples on 1 hand (the fantastic fires on the plain, mouryo no hako and the forgotten tsuki ga noboru made ni). the mangaka hoshino yukinobu has also put out several critical and introspective manga, which got him harassed and lead to him being forbidden to write anymore on the subject. i dont think its any surprise tsuki has no available releases outside of a vhs tv recording either. note also that both anime mentioned here came from sources outside the anime industry, a book series and a concert adaption respectively

I don’t think this is entirely fair to Girls und Panzer, which in itself doesn’t have much to do with the Japanese military (the protagonists don’t even use Japanese tanks). The JSDF did try to use the brand for authority cuteness after the show aired, though.

Joker Game actually seemed to be going in a somewhat introspective direction, but I didn’t watch beyond the first few episodes because it was somewhat boring.

I don’t really disagree with your overall point, though.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Now I'm getting flashbacks to when somebody (was it ViggyNash or Raenir Salazar?) argued that Homura's feelings toward Madoka were religious discipleship rather than anything romantic.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Definitely watching Golden Kamui and Golden Wind. I might not watch many other new shows due to how long my anime backlog is getting, but I'm considering Karakuri Circus, Double Decker, and Alicization.

"I thought this dumb trend was dead by now" award goes to Ore ga Suki nano...

"Who the gently caress greenlighted [sic] this?!" award goes to CONCEPTION.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
It's weird how the tone of Nasuverse stuff has changed over time. Remember when it was about vampires and insane wizards raping and murdering people while spouting long-winded philosophy?

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

The Colonel posted:

fate/stay night had your teacher comically berating you for every time you died gruesomely in ways you should have predicted would happen and fate/hollow ataraxia has shirou using his magic reinforcement powers to fix a soccer ball that saber accidentally destroyed by kicking it too hard

I didn't mean to suggest that it shifted all at once. Even Fate/Stay Night tones down the edgy self-seriousness from Tsukihime.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Pollyanna posted:

Yo wait, it hasn't been a decade and a half since I first played F/SN. What am I thinking of? :psyduck:


Which reminds me, I'm gonna need some of that too.

EDIT: Okay, about 2005~2006, so we're getting there.

Speaking of, I never watched Fate/Zero. Worth it?

Definitely.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Endorph posted:

Iunno, when the origin of the term is some dumb star trek magazine getting mad that teenage girls were writing fanfiction, it kind of carries that baggage at its core evne if people try to work it to extend to guys.

Not exactly. The concept was created by a female Star Trek fanfiction writer named Paula Smith (in the parody fanfic "A Trekkie's Tale") to make fun of a particular story type prevalent in Star Trek fanfiction at the time, where a young female OC joins the Enterprise, is the best at everything, makes the canon characters act out of character, and then dies tragically.

It's definitely true that the concept is often gendered, and this was particularly so early on. And as Paula Smith herself has noted, Mary Sues are a phase many beginning writers go through, and writing one doesn't mean you can't become a good writer.

Perhaps the defining moment where people realized that male characters and even non-fanfiction characters can be Mary Sues was the character of Wesley Crusher in Star Trek: The Next Generation, who at his worst was essentially the heroine of "A Trekkie's Tale" minus the tragic death.

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And a lot of the time, even stuff about guys carries that air, because people tend to save it for male character who at least kind of engage with female characters while still being heroic and able to save the day. Like, people never call any number of seinen protagonists mary sues, even if they almost literally never face a serious threat and the manga is entirely about how cool and badass they are. I'm not saying 'Kirito is a woke character, actually, but there's definitely this air of certain kinds of power fantasies being okay, mostly the ones that don't have lovely stuff like 'and also he makes girls feel better about themselves,' even if that's at least trying to be a more positive kind of power fantasy.

I do think it's worth distinguishing between a character like Kirito and a character like Tatsuya Shiba. The former is essentially the product of the common writer phase Paula Smith mentioned, while the latter is the product of a seriously warped system of values.

Incidentally, when trying to get Tatsuya's name right, I stumbled on this:

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
I'm not interested in a ton of the fall shows, especially because I already have a fairly long anime backlog, but I'm definitely watching Golden Kamui and Golden Wind, at least.

I think season charts have a discouraging effect because you focus on what fraction of the shows are crap vs. not-crap, even though no one has time to watch every show anyway.

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