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Who do you want to be the 2020 Democratic Nominee?
This poll is closed.
Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden 27 1.40%
Bernie "please don't die" Sanders 1017 52.69%
Cory "charter schools" Booker 12 0.62%
Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand 24 1.24%
Kamala "truancy queen" Harris 59 3.06%
Julian "who?" Castro 7 0.36%
Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard 25 1.30%
Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti 22 1.14%
Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown 21 1.09%
Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar 12 0.62%
Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth 48 2.49%
Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke 32 1.66%
Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren 284 14.72%
Tom "impeach please" Steyer 4 0.21%
Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg 9 0.47%
Joseph Stalin 287 14.87%
Howard "coffee republican" Schultz 10 0.52%
Jay "nobody cares about climate change :(" Inslee 13 0.67%
Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man 17 0.88%
Total: 1930 votes
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The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


DynamicSloth posted:

The question of ending the filibuster doesn't really seem like a matter of principle but a matter of tactics, and the correct tactical answer really depends on the seat count.

As of today there is no reason to prioritize ending the filibuster.

Agreed. Especially considering we won’t have the votes to enact progressive legislation even if we took the senate and abolished the filibuster.

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The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


LionArcher posted:

Trying to gaslight me, a white dude is going to work really well. Instead of responding to anything I addressed, you insult me instead of the fact he’s got a sexism issue. You’re response to attack me with a common tactic used by men who are sexist (usually used against women), isn’t really strengthening your argument, if you have one,

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


She's been a strong advocate for the progressive agenda for almost two years!

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


HootTheOwl posted:

It's not. It's like how labeling everything socialism had lost its teeth.

Lol no. Distrust of the lying media is the new zeitgeist.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


If you work for a dirt bag lobbying firm then it’s open season on flaming you. Nobody has to work for these people and it is ethically unjustifiable.

So their social media gets blown up for a day or two, who cares? They can just briefly lock their accounts and then get back to normal in no time. It’s essentially a probation for being a terrible person.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Condiv posted:

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1101283517563047936

working great so far

millenials love the gently caress out of mike pence right?

I am extremely ready to watch Biden eat poo poo this primary.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


I find it really hard to believe that Biden doesn't collapse the moment he is scrutinized. The guy isn't even that charismatic.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Saagonsa posted:

On one hand, I dont think Biden is going to win. On the other, "Biden is going to flame out any day now" says increasingly nervous dem voter for the 7th time this year

this doesn't really apply until Biden actual enters the race/starts winning contests

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


He will be the Democratic candidate and have a (D) next to his name on the ballet.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


AlBorlantern Corps posted:

He has a white mom and a white dad. But his biological father is a light skinned black man and he was conceived during his parents marriage. So obviously something he doesn't like to talk about since it involves his mom's sexual history while she was married (for the same reason an extremely lovely thing to attack him on)

drat lol

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


just saw someone on twitter refer to shaun king as "Martin Luther Cream" and "Talcum X." Not cool, but p. funny.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Zerlina has a powerful mind

https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell/status/1102614784414023681

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Same as when Vox ran that hit piece on Bernie last cycle about how he doesn't support open borders.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Condiv posted:

no, same as when ta-nehisi coates ran that op-ed on "why doesn't bernie support reparations if he support magical fairy dust unicorn farts like single payer and universal college" and then acted loving surprised when the clinton wing of the party used his rhetoric as a bludgeon on how bernie sucks on race

back in 2015-2016

The Vox piece I’m referring to was a more cynical operation but was deployed in the exact same way.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


https://twitter.com/forecasterenten/status/1102697210746204160?s=21

Worst guy you know meme etc

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015



Oh my god it’s loving brutal. This is exactly the response I was hoping for.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


His whole shtick is like a decade late.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015



Lol at the ending frame.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


InnercityGriot posted:

Clinton called black people superpredators and had slaves and still won the primary, the effect of old rhetoric clearly doesn't matter to the average Democratic voter. (Because many of them are also racist.) I think the left drastically undersells his ability to be absolute poo poo and still have Democratic voters support him anyway.

Clinton caught a ton of poo poo for her superpredators comment and the slave thing didn’t come out until after the primary. Biden’s racist comments run far deeper, he has far less of a head start, and has several times the number of primary challengers gunning for him.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Typo posted:

Also I think you guys underestimating the difficulty of calling first african-american president's VP a racist lol

I don’t foresee this as a problem unless Obama endorses him.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


VitalSigns posted:

They are all narcissistic sociopaths who are in this race because they smell power they will do whatever it takes.

:decorum: is just an excuse not to fight against corporate money, that poo poo goes right out the window when the donors need it to, see the sudden disappearance of :decorum: when a Muslim woman points out AIPAC exists and has influence in Washington. They aren't going to be nice to each other when it's eight of them all trying to be the one to grab that brass ring

Oh yeah. Just think back to how decorous HRC was during the 2018 primary.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Kobayashi posted:

Yeah Biden is a monster and I hope it goes down like Harris in that every lovely position he's ever held is exposed to the cleansing power of 2019. But unlike Harris, Biden doesn't even pretend to be woke or progressive or otherwise give any indication that he has any idea what year it is. It's going to be immensely satisfying to watch him implode, and anyone worrying about his chances in the primary needs to log off and chill out. He's Brexit. He's the Titanic. He's the Hindenburg.
Let’s hope not.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Charlz Guybon posted:

That would take Sanders from 25 to 33 percent.

Essentially a portion of the party the size of trump’s base. You gotta think that a sizeable portion of the Dems who would support Bernie Second will think about jumping ship once Biden’s murky past gets dragged into the public consciousness.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Charlz Guybon posted:

He's running.

Good, makes it less likely for Biden to win.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1105992708433301504

I think I hate Beto more than anyone else in the. What an uppity little power thirsty piece of poo poo. At least Harris and Biden were Senators. What the gently caress has Beto every done?

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Charlz Guybon posted:

FDR, TR, Lincoln, Washington, none of them were senators, half of them were never governors.

That's not why Beto shouldn't be elected president.

Washington was a war hero and the only man for the job. The Roosevelts were both governors of a major state.

The Roosevelts and Lincoln were men with vision. Beto has nothing—just has a naked lust for power. I’d feel better about President Biden.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Charlz Guybon posted:

Lincoln couldn't even beat Douglas!
Nixon couldn't even beat Pat Brown for governor!

I graciously disrespect your post.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Cerebral Bore posted:

People are probably finding Beto annoying because he's a literal empty suit who's running for no reason and on absolutely nothing.

This, and the fact that he was the only person with a shot at taking Cornyn's Senate seat.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Schultz is fine because he will likely pick up votes from GOP types who think Trump is uncouth. Plus he is a great propaganda asset for anti-capitalism.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


mcmagic posted:

Disagree. The "GOP types who think Trump is uncouth" voted for Trump in 2016 and they will vote for him in 2020.

I think he would take a similar number of GOP voters as he would Democratic voters.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


UP AND ADAM posted:

What was wrong with the response? Please speak in a way that doesn't sound like a hysterical Dem grasping at the most desperate straws.

TW:

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1106531268789972992

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Who cares? This is like that MAGA poo poo about Trump saying "radical islamic terrorism."

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The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015



Kinda a bad example given that the peasant was Not Wrong.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


SeANMcBAY posted:

I’m really glad right now that none of the candidates, even the ones I don’t like, didn’t fall into the Russiagate hysteria.

Harris kinda did.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Corsair Pool Boy posted:

Wasn't the entire point of the Electoral College to keep wildly unqualified and dangerous candidates like Trump out of office?

It also provides for a semi-democratic method to figure out who is president if there is no clear majority.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


The American system makes a bit more sense when you understand that the founders never even considered that political parties would rise to prominence. They basically assumed that each state would vote for a candidate from that state, so the EC would decide who gets to be president most of the time.

The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Mar 25, 2019

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


I could have sworn that I read a Buddha Judge quote saying that he isn't going to AIPAC because he wasn't invited.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


I like Bernie's stance on guns.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Kraftwerk posted:

Yeah Beto is a Trojan horse and nominating him would mean the democrats have learned absolutely nothing since 20162008.

Pete Warren is the compromise candidate and Sanders is ideal.

ftfy

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Doom Rooster posted:

I think Harris is terrible and needs to go away, and that meeting with AIPAC is dumb, especially now but... There's a huge difference between Having a meeting in your office with AIPAC during business hours and attending a multiday circle jerk conference espousing the imperative of AIPAC's goals.

Edit: The caption is pretty terrible, but still, not nearly as bad as attending the conference IMO.

Uh no. It would have been better for her to attend AIPAC and remain ostensibly neutral than for her to just openly state: “Israel has the right to defend itself”—the 7 Words of Israeli fascism.

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The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Big props to Kamala for reminding me how bad she succs though.

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