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Neito
Feb 18, 2009

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Dawgstar posted:

I was basically charmed by Clark and Lois' first interaction on My Adventures With Superman. It's on YouTube for folks in the States and maybe Adult Swim for everybody else?

The show was cute and fun enough that I immediately was searching to see if there was a thread here and found this thread. It might be one of the best takes on Superman in a recent while.

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Dawgstar posted:

Larson coming back? I can hear the 'sCotT pIlGrIm HaS gOnE wOkE' now! :allears:

Scott's been my go-to example of "People thinking that because someone's the main character they're a good person" right up until Rick and Morty came out.

That said, I'm charged for this. The style is perfect, I really thought that the movie cast hit their roles so well (especially Cera as Scott), and that the only thing the movie really needed was time to breathe, which the series will either get, or be canceled by Netflix because Netflix hates good things.

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I think the problem for me was that Scott was supposed to be an rear end in a top hat; he's the broken step of the group, after all, and (This Is The End nonwithstanding) I have trouble seeing Cera as an rear end in a top hat. But I think that's a minor gripe and I really can't think of anyone who'd be better as Scott.

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kiminewt posted:

What is it about anime or animation, or manga that allows such low-key, low-stakes series to be made?

One of my favourite shows is Silver Spoon, about the tame adventures of a city boy with a bad(ish) home life in an agricultural boarding school. It's not for kids but I wouldn't say it's entirely adult. There are only a handful of real conflicts/drama, so I couldn't really imagine it working in another format.

Is it just because they aren't made in other formats or is there something intrinsic about animation or comics that allows it?

Part of it might be attributable to the way anime is financed compared to American animation; my understanding is that while an American show is picked up and bankrolled by a network, a lot of anime is fronted by the studios themselves, with the time slots bought from the networks, with the expectation of making it up on the back end with DVD sales and merch. Comics/Manga are because there was never an age ghetto for comics in Japan, so there's more niches for a book about, say, comics that target specifically middle-aged women into arts and crafts.

Also, Comiket; the indie ('douijinshi') market over there is pretty nuts, and while most of what makes it over to English is just the porno (I'm convinced that first contact between any two cultures involves porn; we'll be getting alien porn two weeks after the saucers appear over DC), there's a ton of just weird, niche stuff there that promotes a different culture and provides a different breeding ground for their animation artists than America has.

Edit: Also, the reason I came here was that I was watching a bit of Fionna and Cake and just wanted to say that the theme song (or insert song) in E1 hits hard and has been stuck in my head for a while now.

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Megillah Gorilla posted:

Absolutely loved Adventure Time back in the day. But the release schedule just killed any interest I had in the show.

Same happened with Steven Universe.

This was the "8 hours a day of TTG" era of Cartoon Network. We're now on the "8 hours a day of Gumball" era. (seriously, the "Current programming" section of Cartoon Network is depressing.)

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First two eps of Lower Decks were good. Going back for a second watch and seeing that the umbrella panel was upside down the entire time was pretty cool.

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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I like that the characters are moving on a little in Lower Decks, and Mariner isn't being allowed to backslide and remain static.

And also that Jack's not a perma-jerk and may actually, in his own meathead way, be the best officer on the Cerritos.

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FireWorksWell posted:

Probably shouldn't be in here until I finish the show but oh well.

Well it's nice to know Finn gets a romantic interest closer to his age at least, I think they mention PB being really really old.

I'm only tangentially aware of most AT lore, but isn't it implied that most of the other beings are from before the mushroom war?

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Waffle! posted:

That could have been a weird decision from higher up, too. Kind of like 80s - 90s shows saying "destroy" instead of "kill."

The Ocean dub of Dragon Ball Z referred to killing as "Phasing into another dimension" or being "Sent to the next dimension", which was a hilarious choice.

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I'm kinda enjoying the last season of Archer. Completely reverting his disability from the coma was kinda annoying, as was his character regression (though the ending of season 11 (where Archer yells at everyone for blaming him when they just use him as an excuse to be the worst versions of themselves) helped a bit in my mind). The new character is an interesting foil as a kinda slightly more together and competant Archer, though every episode being Lana bitching about being in the field again, and us being only two episodes from the end without anything like progress is not... great.

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Ccs posted:

Oh yeah also worth noting I thought season 5 of Steven Universe was the funniest season, probably because both the viewers and creators are so familiar with the characters by that point, any charming thing they do is funny and theres more character based humor to mine. The movie continues in that vein as well.

Yeah. The movie was honestly a better stopping point, and I'm kinda annoyed Future exists. It's not as bad as some other endings (How I Met Your Mother, Eden of the East, etc), but it's like a 7/10 ending to a 9/10 show that had a 10/10 ending.

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Larryb posted:

Is Netflix Castlevania an adaption of some specific game(s) in the series or more of its own thing?

The first season is a loose adaptation of Castlevania 3 for the NES.

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Ccs posted:

Yeah I really enjoyed the movie, great songs, but I hear many conflicting things about Future so I'm debating whether to watch it or just go back to shows made for my age group containing much less emotionally mature characters but lots more blood and sex.

Let me put it this way.

How I Met Your Mother had an ending I regret watching, which changed the context of the entire previous 9 years of TV and spent all that goodwill for the worst ending in the history of television, an ending that doesn't just annoy the audience but actively insults them and purposefully throws away years and years of character development and is basically character assassination. THAT'S a bad ending.

Steven Universe Future is like a B- ending to an A+ show. IF you're happy after the Movie, you're not missing any top-tier TV by skipping it, but if you're thinking "I'd like just a little more in this universe, a coda if you will", go for it.

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fuckingtest posted:

Did...Adult Swim just play like a half hour of Very Scary People? or Did I just have a mini-stroke?

They've been doing spooky streams on YouTube, wouldn't surprise me.

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i am a moron posted:

I bailed on this show before the end and just read a synopsis. Yikes!

Nearly a decade after it's finish, it's still my gold standard for bad endings.

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Flopsy posted:

Never was interested in How I Met Your Mother but I think it might be useful if somebody compiled a list of these shows that literally bombed their endings. Mostly from a writing point of view I'm fascinated by looking at bad examples. The silver lining is there's possibly something to learn from them so these mistakes can be avoided in the future. Lost was another example of that I think but again I wasn't very invested in it so i can't say for sure.

Lost, HIMYM, GoT, and Galactica come to mind.

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Yeah. The ending to HIMYM was clearly written circa season 4 or 5 and they just kinda put it in a box and didn't think about it again until they pulled it out of the box several seasons later and just went "Good enough, make it fit".

(Part of that may have been justified by them recording the final scene with the kids in the first season and them being like, grown-rear end adults by the end).

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SlothfulCobra posted:

Considering the history of other forms of media, it'd probably be better for most series to not spin themselves out as long as possible and then save the most important plot moments for the very end. Be willing to have some falling action. I'm not sure I really believe in the idea of a bad ending spoiling things so much it destroys the enjoyment of the steps you took along the way to get there, but anyone will kinda sour on the overarching narrative if it's spun itself out for too long with no real developments and you try to shove an entire series worth of development into the last moments.

I think American TV also has extra motivating factors to spin itself out indefinitely rather than wrap up while things still make sense compared to other media markets. With that kind of production environment, it makes sense to throw in a climax even when you're still planning to keep going for a season or two.

This occurs a lot when writers have a tightly scripted series but get super popular. Attack on Titan had this happen, to wrap back around to animation: it very clearly was planned to be about half the length and Kodansha saw dollaryen signs and very clearly pushed the author to stretch the series out and add a whole bunch of politicking and other bullshit that nobody gives a poo poo about. Frankly, the only series I don't think this happened to that we've been discussing is Lost, because lol at the idea of JJ Abrams knowing how to end something.

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Vandar posted:

All this talk of endings makes me wonder something, so I'll pass this question to all of you:

How do you end The Simpsons?

They've already done more 'flash ahead to see what's happening to everyone in the future' episodes than I can count, so you can't really do that.

How do you end a show that's been around for long, had such a huge impact on pop culture, and is so very long past it's prime?

This has been a thing my friend and I have genuinely had long talks about.

Honestly I think that Summer of 4'2" would've been the perfect series finale, but that boat's long since sailed. Any beat that could've been used as a good capper has been a plotline: Moving out of Springfield, a flashforward to the future, a wistful episode that resolves the longstanding tension between the characters. I think there's only one way to end it. Homer and Marge move to Quahog, Rhode Island and start a new life

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Larryb posted:

I stopped watching The Simpsons a while back (the most recent thing I’ve seen is the movie and maybe a few clips here and there) but I’d at least give them some credit if they just went balls to the wall insane with the finale like that (sure, a lot of those ideas have been directly disproven by the show itself from pretty early on but who cares honestly)

I had that experience, sans finale, with American Dad, which graduated from "What if Family Guy was in Virginia" to surrealist masterpiece over the course of it's 16 or whatever seasons.

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All I remember naturally from Dinosaurs is "Not the momma" and the boy dinosaur wore Chucks. Other than that, you could tell me the show took place in the year 47,000 and was the basis for Voltron and I'd believe you.


Edit: THAT was the ending to Archer?

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muscles like this! posted:

Yeah, not a big surprise seeing how late they announced it but it is pretty clear that they didn't produce that episode of Archer with the idea that it would be the series finale. If you watched the episode live they did say that there would be an announcement Friday about something (probably a movie) related to Archer.

Yeah, I suspected going through this season that they were either surprised it was their last or surprised the order was so short. 8 episodes is not a lot, and they weren't doing any of the usual windy-downy things.

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SlothfulCobra posted:

I'm really not into the whole "children's entertainment but it's actually horror so all the weird archaic things that don't make sense in children's entertainment is actually uncanny valley", but there's sure a lot of that stuff out there.


It's a cheap way to make something seem more disturbing by contrast, like having your villain kick a puppy or not tip in a restaurant. I've seen in done well (Straub's Candle Cove and Show For Children, Don't Hug Me I'm Scared, and (supposedly, haven't seen it yet) Welcome Home immediately spring to mind), but it's definitely something that gives me pause about a work.

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Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Welcome Home is great, but it's not a cartoon it's a website based arg: https://www.clownillustration.com/welcomehomeyou

You click around and discover stuff old school style. It's still in development, but it's clearly a real labor of love for the artist behind it and has already become extremely popular.


I know, I just wanted to find a non-DHMIS, non-Kris Straub production to put on the list and it was the best example I had at the top of my head.

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Final Space is a show I like a lot but have to be very careful about my mental state when I watch, cus Christ is it dark.

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Gary's whole gimmick is that, despite the world being an absolute crapsack, he's an optimist. He absolutely believes that his happily-ever-after will come. I can see that becoming a bit polyanna-ish to some.

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limp_cheese posted:

Even though I don't remember why he was jailed I do remember feeling like it was completely justified and he was the source of a lot of the plot conflicts because of "whoops how clumsy of me" or something like that.


He stole an infinity guard ship to try to impress Quinn and blew up a bunch of them by accident.

I think why I actually kinda like Gary (other than that I'm still somewhat vulnerable to lolrandom or "that just happened" kinda humor) is that he's the opposite of me; While he's trying to make lemons into lemonade, I'm turning lemonade into lemons.

I also felt like the supporting cast made up for any flaws in Gary specifically.

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Gary got the broad, obvious, genre jokes, but just off the top of my head, KVN, Clarence, Fox, Ash, the Dewinter family.

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khwarezm posted:

I sort of find the year 1970 itself to be a cutoff point, before that there's something to say about some of the shows they made even though you can absolutely see the limitations they were working under, so things like the Flintstones or whatever were much more script focused. Scooby-Doo's original run ended in 1970 I think?

Afterward the cookie cutter nature of these shows, lack of budget and seemingly near total lack of effort and passion really shines through, you see something like The Roman Holidays and its painfully obvious it was just running the Jetsons/Flintstones format even further into the ground. The superhero shows like The New Adventures of Batman or Superfriends just don't seem to have anything to them, even compared to the shoestring budgets earlier series based on the same characters had, its kind of amazing to watch this stuff in terms of just how hollow it all seems, and the fact that tv animation went from this to things like BTAS in the space of about a decade is even more amazing.

One of the things that prompted me to ask about this was the show Wait Till Your Father Gets Home, which I find kind of fascinating as an attempt to make a primetime animated sitcom not directed at kids with no standards, and accordingly had a little bit more effort put into things like voice acting, animation and the script than you otherwise saw. Not that I'd say it really holds up still, the canned laughter is especially badly aged, but some of the scenes are interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4jBnFL8naE

Wait Till Your Father Gets Home is weird to me because I was pretty sure it was a fever dream for years and years until the internet started making it easier to look up poo poo like that. I saw it on a pre-[adult swim] late-night block on Cartoon Network, and had the theme song stuck in my head for years.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Call me one of those fans of Star Trek The Animated Series, it's basically the continuation of TOS. And I'm pretty sure it's canon. Yesteryear is pretty much Spock's canon origin. (moreso than any of his adopted siblings should be)

The original Johnny Quest is pretty wild. A ridiculous body count for one.

They reference TAS a couple times in Lower Decks, which is canon, so it's likely canonized at this point. It wasn't for a while though, iirc.

doomrider7 posted:

The 90's series was also pretty brutal. The one with the fish monsters had a bunch of people die and quite brutally off-camera.

The CG in QuestWorld or whatever it was called always freaked me out; it was uncanny, even for 90s CGI.

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doomrider7 posted:

Same. I remember watching episodes of EONS ago on old CN same for a huge chunk of the stuff on that Hanna Barbera link.

Reminder that I need to watch lower decks.

The CG didn't actually bother me, but a lot of the episodes were legit nightmare fuel like the pianist one, the black pearl one, or that...thing whatever the gently caress it was that could mimic peoples heads and voices. You know the one. Ironically I REALLY did not do well with horror movies as a kid, but those never bothered me.

Lower Decks is divisive among Trek fans; some feel it's a celebration of the series, making the kind of jokes they've been making for years, and some feel it's mocking the series.

The CGI Quest World stuff was nightmare fuel for me at least in part because there just weren't a lot of CGI cartoons back then, and I think I saw one of the freakier episodes first, which poisoned the whole thing for me.

Plus, kid brain tends to make weird things into horror fuel, like that one episode of Punky Brewster, or the Castlevania 2 cover of issue like, 3 or 4 of Nintendo Power.

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I AM GRANDO posted:

The Punky Brewster where she gets stuck in a refrigerator or the Punky Brewster where one of her friends gets merged with a rock and calls out for help?

The latter.

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Data Graham posted:

That nintendo power cover ruled

I love it now, but it hits different when you're 7 and never really experienced horror movies before.

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Warbird posted:

Were they unable to find anyone else to pick it up? I heard the news the other day and it's a super bummer.

Who else could? Paramount owns Trek outright as far as I know.

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The best versions of Supes, IMO, are the ones where they de-emphasize that every problem has the solution of "Let's punch it harder". Lois and Clark, despite being EXTREMELY 90s, was similar in that regard. Clark's always at his best when the conflict is the struggles between his overwhelming power, his sense of responsability, and his desire to be "normal".

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Warbird posted:

I mean it's a Superman story. That's been an ongoing thing with the series more or less from the jump though I'm sure some DC fans can correct me.

I mean, famously, at least one character has killed Supes without the use of kryptonite.

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Electricity being a Superman weakness at least makes sense; it's forcing his muscles to work against his prodigious constitution. "Magic" being a weakness is weirder to me.

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TaurusTorus posted:

This is contrasted with both Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman who I do believe have resistance to magic.

I believe at least Captain Marvel at least is explicitly magic in origin.

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If you're super into DC lore in general, HubCityQuestion/Alex Jaffe (@alexjaffe.bsky.social) does a lot of really good deep dives into lore in a very "I'm excited about this and I want to share this cool thing I found with you" way rather than a :goonsay: way.

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