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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
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Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Lycus posted:

Looks like the biggest disconnect between goon reaction and outsider reaction to the debates is Booty Judge.

yeah i was experiencing some cognitive dissonance trying to evaluate his performance and therefore had no actual opinion

TulliusCicero posted:

Please don't make Dianne from Cheers and Frasier the Meme Magic President in 2020

Thank you

i have a nonzero amount of concern that the hell timeline means we elect a weird celebrity to beat a much worse weird celebrity

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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DLC Inc posted:

feels like a lot of people who would have voted Clinton over Sanders in 2016 are attaching the yas kween label to cops like Gillibrand and Harris. Feels bad that people are making GBS threads on Sanders in favor of Harris. It's good that Biden got turbofucked but it's looking like either Trump wins again narrowly or we go into a poo poo-tier status quo again. The only major difference will be a much better House of Reps who can hopefully train up to be in the Senate/head office later on. Part of me seriously doubts how we can make the country better when truly so many morons inhabit middle america and don't give a poo poo that their farms are hosed or that a hospital will bankrupt them.

The memification of that Williamson lady is loving moronic though. I don't care if she roomed with a lady from Twin Peaks jesus christ I just want universal healthcare/living wages/better ecological practice.

i'm no longer much of a gillibooster (her early funding-related hijinks are indicative of either an ongoing willingness to sell out for a good enough price, which is bad, or a genuine like and trust for soulless corporate monsters she personally knows, which might be worse) but since loving when is she a cop

her worst not-house-of-representatives job was shielding the tobacco industry from the cops

i guess if you're really mad about her being a government lawyer for Housing and Urban Development

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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GlyphGryph posted:

I really liked the one guy for the zinger against Biden for passing the torch, I have no idea who he is, but I'd love a debate between him, Harris and Biden where he and Harris just take turns punching Biden until he gives up.

His name is Eric Swalwell and he's a Fairly Good Congressman.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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unwantedplatypus posted:

I mean theres a strong possibility that my brain is infested with a unique species of brainworms, but the more I hear about her the better she seems? And her weird wine mom approach to things might work out for her with people who arent politics nerds like us, we'll see I guess

I'm not VERY worried about her but I'm more worried than i was at first

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Mellow Seas posted:

Trump seemed like a joke to us and to the MSM, but Republicans took him very seriously from the start. He was at the top of the polls within, like, 20 minutes of calling Mexicans rapists. Williamson is at 0-1%. She’s not a threat and we can absolutely make her our fun meme candidate.

said increasingly nervous man

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Lance of Llanwyln posted:

Williamson came off pretty crazy, but her heart appears to be in the right place, and that's more than can be said for most of the others. Plus, she's polling with the Tim Ryans and Kirsten Gillibrand's of the world, so it's not like she has an actual chance of going anywhere, so there's no real need to be really critical of her. Maybe she'll get an ambassadorship or something, at most.

new zealand, obvs

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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if only black people read DnD and CSPAM

oh well, Biden's the nominee now

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Typo posted:

she's not anti-vaxxers she just thinks prayers cure swine flu

gets your facts and revolutionary consciousness straight liberal

I feel like this crossover is dangerous.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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we're all going to die transcend our fleshy mortal shells

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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How are u posted:

:lol: of course the same ol circular firing squad crowd is rallying behind the anti-vax candidate. Of course.

I'm alternating between being part of the problem / the joke, and stark terror of my glimpses of our future.

I still mostly refuse to believe anyone would be unironically supporting her as a candidate, and will continue to refuse when she wins Iowa and New Hampshire

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Koalas March posted:

Literally me rn



Is the show any good?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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have you seen my baby posted:

2016 the most ridiculous thing that could happen was that television personality Donald Trump would win the Republican nomination and then the White House.

2020 the most ridiculous thing that could happen is that television personality Marianne Williamson wins the Democratic nomination and then the White House.

pewdiepie gets elected in 2028 and institutes full fascism

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Endorph posted:

I'm saying they're both disqualifying.

People are probably saying 'williamson is anti-vax, and that's why we have to vote Biden,' but I'm not one of them. I'm just saying the response to that shouldn't be to downplay how bad anti-vax is.

Williamson is anti-vax, and that's why we have to vote Sanders.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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VH4Ever posted:

You motherfuckers have gone through the Irony Singularity and come out the other side with this bullshit. I can't even call this Galaxy Brain anymore. Trump's brainworms are clearly contagious.

Typo is probably being ironic because he's doing a crossover between Marianne support and his CCP alter ego.

i say probably because there's a serious risk that his CCP alter ego has eaten or will eat his actual views

that said I want him to keep refining his Marianne arguments, sorry if that winds up making your head literally explode VH

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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VH4Ever posted:

I've already said I've sort of lost my sense of humor about political stuff. I won't apologize for it nor be shamed for it either. I like a good joke, I have a loving COMEDIAN in my av for gently caress's sakes. But I don't know, somewhere between the full scale of concentration camps I have within an hour or two's drive of me, a dead kid and her dad on the Rio Grande which is just oh so loving funny to the CHUDS...somewhere in there I lost my ability to laugh at anyone's oh so cute and edgy irony. So save your energy. Your jokes, Typo's, etc...they will go over my head because I don't find any of this poo poo funny. We need to rid ourselves of the open criminal chief executive we have. We need to do a fuckton more. I don't feel we have space for ironic edgy jokes about who we get behind to do this.

tbf part of the reason i mostly don't post in this thread outside of amusing shitposts is that it's obviously Sanders > Warren >



Gillibrand?
> losers and unless there's actual news that I think is interesting it's a fairly boring thread contentwise for me

but you know what is both content and is good when I'm in stark-terror mode re: Williiamson and the Bad Timeline? Two twitter threads

https://twitter.com/jenmariewilde/status/1144633811579412482?s=12

Gripweed posted:


I'm not going to vote for her, but I like her and I want her to stay on that debate stage long after Delany and Beto and Tim.... I wanna say Reynolds? are gone.

Tim Ryan is probably my most disliked Dem candidate outside of Gabbard (and I fully admit that the degree of my dislike for her is basically irrational because I'm Real Mad that the most prominent Hindu politician in America is bad in Hindu-Nationalist-adjacent ways) and some guy whose name rhymes with Schmoe Schmiden. He bad.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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proposing direct action against fellow forumposters is a bold move, i'm interested to see where this goes

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Acebuckeye13 posted:

I'm honestly surprised Sanders hasn't wholly adopted Warren's proposed tax on assets above $50 million, since that's the only thing that anyone's proposed that even comes close to actively attacking accumulated wealth.

my two favorite warren things are that and the "mandatory worker presence on boards", even if she doesn't really go far enough on either

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Ogmius815 posted:

Guys Marianne Williamson is not going to be the democratic nominee.

:toxx:If Marianne Williamson is the democratic nominee, I will get a tattoo of VitalSign’s choice on a part of my body ordinarily covered by clothing. :toxx:

viletat lives once more

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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in the behind the bastards debate-analysis bonus episode, robert evans has an extended fantasy about being kissed by bernie sanders

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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twodot posted:

That's a strategy, but I don't see what's stopping donors from saying "leave it" if they actually believe that Warren's principles are in conflict with their interests. Presumably refusing their money in the primary is staking a claim she doesn't want to stump for the donor class, but if that were true bothering to accept money from people who don't even agree with you is a bizarre strategy.

poo poo, i'll take any motherfucker's money if he just giving it away

I dunno how I feel about that policy.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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his mustache still feels weird

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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SporkChan posted:

Damnit Marianne, coal plants release more radiation that nuclear plants!

Also pouring cold water on a reactor would be a good thing. Thanks angels!

it is, in fact, not just (often) how we cool the reactors, but (always?) how we use them to generate electricity :v:

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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joepinetree posted:

which is why the transfer of financial assets tax that Bernie proposes is so important. You transfer your house and assets to the company Dizz Jenouement that is based out of the Cayman Islands and at least you pay some taxes on that.

... another that creates a tax on all transfers of financial assets.

got a link to this?

I don't know anything about the particular proposal, but it seems like something you'd have to design pretty carefully to avoid either A) massive loopholes or B) significant unintended consequences.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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joepinetree posted:


Bernie's proposals?

Tax on transfers of financial assets:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s1587/text


this is what i meant thanks

edit: as a threat to tax evasion or intergenerational wealth transfer, it doesn't really do anything meaningful. I'm for it nonetheless - the top tax rate is half of a percent, which is laughable if it's meant to target a one-off transaction, and fortunately that's not really the intent of the bill.

On the other hand, it's devastating to the current model of the stock market, for example. If I'm reading it correctly.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Solkanar512 posted:

So to you or anyone else, what is the answer to international tax havens, outside of parking aircraft carriers just offshore until they give up bank account numbers? I'm not asking this to imply that it's impossible to enforce, I just don't know enough to say what the right way to go about things is.

Dunno! Global socialist revolution and/or taxing their pants off if they try to actually live their dumb lifestyle in the US / civilized countries? Money sitting in a tax haven isn't buying you your nineteenth yacht or letting you snort cocaine off the bellies of endangered belugas.


joepinetree posted:

It is far more meaningful than Warren's, but you're right that it's not the sole purpose. But it's inspired by ATTAC, which did in part think of it because of that.

There's no solution that will be perfect as long as you have tax havens.

As for the rate, Warren's proposed wealth tax rate is 2%. On what exceeds 50 million in assets. So it's not that far off.

I think what I was angling for was more along the lines of: the financial transaction tax is all good and I like it, but in addition we need wealth taxes and/or estate taxes and/or other ways to redistribute the wealth of the rich.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Mike the TV posted:

My wife pays for the top-tier Kaiser plan at over $650 per month and it covers almost nothing except flu shots. lmao at people that want to keep the current system. Burn it all down. Literally having no system and paying cash straight to doctors would be better.

why not quit the plan then

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Lightning Knight posted:

This forum truly is pathetic for how much energy we expend concerning ourselves with a joke grifter candidate who is polling at 1%. “Lol crystal queen” memes are dumb but she also literally doesn’t matter. It has about as much effect as “lol giant meteor 2020” memes do.

well won't you be feeling ridiculous when the clouds from the impact crater spread across the globe

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Majorian posted:

I think France should give the Vexin back to England.

not empty quoting

edit also the weaponized ticks theory is both super weird and a plot idea Peter Watts has kicked around, although I think he settled on weaponized yogurt

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SKULL.GIF posted:

Then answer this: why are billionaires vastly more comfortable with Warren as the candidate?

are they actually? like, do you have some sort of data?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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TheDisreputableDog posted:

Personally, I think Biden is much better equipped to make that case. Affected or not, his folksy Scrantonism lets him actually connect with swing state voters who went for Obama and then Trump. That track failed in 2016 because of the candidate, imo.

yeah but you're a loving nazi trumpist so

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Party Plane Jones posted:

i'm sorry i didn't realize i was living in a crystal madrassa paradise; i thought getting rich by crystal faith healing of terminally ill patients grasping for any semblance of hope in their last days of life was a bridge too far for such steely intellectuals as are in this thread but i guess not

Clarification: does the ban on crystalchat extend to supporting other Marianne policies, or is she temporarily an undiscussable primary candidate

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Your Boy Fancy posted:

This thread is wild as all heck

Debate & Discussion > Democratic Presidential Primary 2020: Bernie Or Magick Or Bust

+1 vote for this

mormonpartyboat posted:

it's more that our society is so evil, the only thing many people feel comfortable turning to is huckster poo poo

were good medical care provided for free to everyone who needed it without shame or stigma, within a context of a society that emphasizes wellness and acceptance, and people still actively choose to turn all that down and instead go get the cancer cupped out of them or whatever, then more power to them. we have no right to dictate that people heal themselves in a manner of our choosing

In actual seriousness, one of my good buddies does a lot of sociology-of-medicine stuff, and she worked with South Texas Vietnamese folks on compliance stuff recommending how the CDC could persuade them to Do Things (specifically in the context of contagious diseases iirc), in a compassionate and culturally sensitive way. Listening to her talk about it was p cool although I don't actually remember much in the way of details. :v:

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

I'm sorry was there some new poll that had MW polling at 10% in Iowa or something? Why the gently caress are we filling up page after page arguing over a candidate who is not going anywhere and isn't going to be in the September debates?

I mean while we're at it let's suck all the air out of the room whining about Inslee or Bennet or something, too. jfc

it's at least more entertaining than "I'm Voting Bernie But I Think Warren Is Okay" vs "People Who Think Warren Is Okay Are Counterrevolutionaries"

although some subsidiary data that's come out from that dumb slapfight might help me swing some Warren Good Bernie Fine people in meatspace / less extremely online environments to Warren Good Bernie Better, so

edit: i have mixed feelings about calibanibal joining the marianne conversation

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Bernstrike posted:

Horseshoe theory: this is also why Stalin purged the doctors.

you know I think we have a slogan in the making here

Goatse James Bond
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mormonpartyboat posted:

Why Yang Is My Sixth Choice For Vice President, a 15,000 word post

if you'd said Gillibrand I'd be worried you were reading my textpad drafts

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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I blame this thread for me starting to get Tulsi banner ads

Edit: "hm, should I get in more fights with Harris or fewer", ponders man owned by Harris

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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in a vain effort to rerail the thread and avert further Marianne posting, which I am not necessarily against,

does anyone have an actual Good Pitch for why Warren voters should become Bernie voters that is short and easy for people who don't spend their leisure time screaming at people online?

articles and poo poo are fine

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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BENGHAZI 2 posted:

bernie has spent his entire life arguing for the things warren has only begun to halfheartedly support after a lifetime of being trash, and all of her plans are just spin on bills he's introduced

tbf my takeaway after all the screaming has been the last bit and maybe i should have just PMed SKULL DOT GIF

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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joepinetree posted:

And Jon Favreau is on the board of United States of Care, a position he shares with several HMO CEOs and also like Bill Frist.

That is why they are such consummate parasites:

Off of a single podcast they:
- Make money off of tickets to see the taping
- Make money off of ad reads
- Make money off of selling the video to HBO
- Make money off of selling merch to rubes
- Use their position to make money laundering the reputation of corporations and organizations

All so that you get to feel good about team blue and maybe get a pitch to donate 5 bucks to establishment democrats.

the only important criticism is that last bit and maybe the last bullet, I'd be totally fine with P Andrew Torres and Robert Evans making money off those things

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Goatse James Bond
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otoh Andrew is an open and vocal Warren supporter so he's on the gulag list

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