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So I've got some dumb predictions: Black Noire saw Butcher escaping the compound in that footage. This might give him cause to check out where the gently caress that was, why there's a compound in the middle of nowhere and why Butcher was there, leading him to discover Homelander's kid and who his mother is. Between that information and how Homelander's been treating literally every other member of the Seven this could be good cause to form a rift between them all because they now know that the entire reason why Butcher's crew has been trying to kill them (and actually did manage to kill one of them) is because homelander raped a woman and kept a secret child. That's also horrible PR and given that every single member of the seven except The Deep and the new guy now seem to have good cause to want to take Vought, Homelander and The Seven down? They might go public. I think Butcher on the other hand is going to go completely scorched earth on Vought now that his wife rejected him because of his casual willingness to kill a child for having super powers. This will eventually lead to an episode of flashbacks telling us who the hell Butcher is, who lamplighter was and what happened with Mallory's grand kids before season one started. And I suspect Black Noire is, at some point, going to be unmasked. His actor's black IIRC and it'd be interesting if the character was black, rather than them casting a different face for him. Especially since everyone, like Homelander, seems to love him but not know a thing about him and given that Homelander is just on a pretty solid trajectory into unabashed bigotry a change in how he treats Noire might drive a further wedge there. I think this season is mostly setting up for next season, personally, where poo poo's going to go down, hard. But who knows, they've done a lot with this season in four episodes so they could do a lot with the remaining four.
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I'm kind of surprised that the one thing no one really talks about is the way Butcher just "gently caress you, got mine"'d out on the rest of The Boys and did so deliberately when the only one around was MM, who wouldn't try beating his rear end for it.
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Sep 12, 2020 06:14
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unlimited shrimp posted:I just chalked it up to sloppy writing because it was so amicable. I don't think so, because the look on his face isn't a happy one. My read on it was that he was just kind of stunned by the way Butcher just up and leaves, just tossing everything down into his lap telling him it was his problem now more or less. BrotherJayne posted:Well, he legit got what he didn't know he wanted, in a roundabout fashion. I dunno, in the episode with Kimiko's brother they seemed to be getting fed up with him until he pulled that out and he got them back on his side with the sob story and the usual "You help me, I help you". They helped him.
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Sep 12, 2020 06:45
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Piell posted:Ryan secretly being Butcher's kid rather than Homelander's is a more likely twist than Stormfront not being Liberty. Annie being Stormfront's daughter is a more likely twist than Stormfront not being Liberty. This is from a few pages back but this is my personal pet theory for dumb the dumbest reason: in the comics they made a big deal about how the best way to get super heroes that weren't garbage was to inject a fetus in utero. Homelander's loaded up with V, not entirely unlike Spiderman and his infamously radioactive sperm, and BAM you get super kid. When Becca goes to Vought they realize it's not Homelander's kid, but Homelander sure as hell won't know so they just say it is because that's far more terrifying and easier to use to manipulate everyone involved. FilthyImp posted:Cult guys being an arm of Shining Light would be pretty cool. I'm pretty sure that's their entire motivation for continuing to deal with The Deep who, based on the reactions, is still too dumb for anyone to want to keep trying to cult him up personally.
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Sep 12, 2020 23:36
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Elephant Ambush posted:Becca literally said "Homelander raped me". If any other supe had done that to her I feel like Becca would have said something about it since she has no reason to lie to Butcher.  Yes? The fact that Homelander raped Becca is not incompatible with the idea that she was already pregnant with her husband's child.
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Sep 12, 2020 23:41
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Elephant Ambush posted:Oh I see what you mean but that makes no sense based on everything we've seen in the show. Even if my dumb fan theory is true and Butcher is a supe and doesn't know it, the laser eyes are kind of a dead giveaway unless the RNG is hilariously coincidental. Clearly that's just a red herring and he got the super powers of being mildly stronger than normal, and glowing eyes like a creepy animatronic. 
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Sep 12, 2020 23:59
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I think if Liberty had had electrical powers it would've outed by now. Perhaps she got re-dosed with V and picked up new powers/abilities. We haven't really seen anything of Liberty outside of one flashback to know she's at least stronger than normal, and them just launching into things with "Well she also has lightning powers" would have ruined any buildup they were going for, so I assume if she did have the same power set it'll be revealed down the line or otherwise explained when it comes to that. Plus we've already seen two go fast mans, so it's not like powers are entirely exclusive.
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Sep 13, 2020 05:59
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Beef Stew posted:MM was always the coolest of the Boys, as proven by him making those goofy rear end over the top glasses look cool as hell. Also, being from Oakland originally, I really appreciate his People's Food Program shirts. I really hope they get more into his backstory because despite a few issues, I always did like the thing with his dad and I would have much rather read a mini series about him than basically any of the mini series we actually got for those comics.
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Sep 14, 2020 04:57
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Beef Stew posted:I definitely agree, I hope the show goes more into it. I'd honestly be shocked if they didn't, although it might not be this season. I am kind of glad the comics didn't though, because while he was still interesting (and my favorite member of the team) MM's personal story was such disgusting over the top edgy bullshit in the comics it might be better we didn't get more. Oh, yeah, literally every other facet of MM's story is god awful, even the stuff involving his mother outside of the flashback where he talks about his dad. But the scene with his dad was mostly good, at least.
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Sep 14, 2020 05:46
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Beef Stew posted:Yeah, totally. I feel like theres the skeleton of a good story and alot of really cool ideas and characters in the comic, as the show is proving. Ennis just dumped so much unnecessary rape and grotesque brutality that it's an unpleasant chore to slog through alot of the time. I feel like you could apply that last sentence to literally everything he does. There's usually a glimmer of a good idea in there, there might be bits and pieces of a really cool concept, character or an idea worth following but then five pages later a hamster is crawling out of a dead man's anus.
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Sep 14, 2020 06:41
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I want Black Noire's mask to come off and the reveal to be that he's just really into the whole part he plays like a wrestler or something sticking to kayfabe at all times and that he's just a normal super dude who's completely dedicated to his job because he believed he really was a natural born super hero and that he was the Good Guy.
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Sep 15, 2020 01:37
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I like how a woman can go on a brief rant about how her husband has always been hosed up and even if something horrific hadn't happened to her was, more likely than not, just going to wind up "beating someone to death in a parking lot" and people are still just like "but how does she know he's violent!?!?" Like, maybe it's just me reading too much into it but you don't get as easy with manipulation as Butcher is, or as comfortable with the super violence unless you've been at it long enough to get used to that poo poo. See also: Hughie and basically every other character except Kimiko still being viscerally freaked the gently caress out whenever something horrible happens, even MM and Frenchie who've been through similar things with Butcher before. But Butcher is real, real cool about hearing that a woman's head exploded until he needs to feign sympathy to get someone on his side. And he's good at pretending to be a better person than he is just long enough to get them to second guess their own thought and give him another chance.
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Sep 16, 2020 01:20
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Weird thing I noticed that's probably nothing: Near the end of the episode Stormfront dismisses Starlight's display of her powers as "cute" and then, at the end, when she and Homelander are boning down and the chandelier falls from the cieling it's flickering with a similar effect lights usually do when Starlight uses hers powers. And she seemed pretty comfortable, and certain, that Homelander's eye beams couldn't gently caress her up. Good episode though, I've been enjoying the show's social commentary. Especially it's stance on how lovely things happen because the people in power are comfortable with that power and just let bad poo poo happen happen and gently caress over those that are targeted because they aren't in those marginalized groups. It's real blunt and not at all subtle but sometimes subtlety is overrated, especially given how many people even manage to miss poo poo like the actual literal nazi.
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Sep 18, 2020 06:19
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massive spider posted:To follow on from the discussion about supe power levels the fact that stormfront can take a homelander later to the tits without a safe word says a lot about hers. Unless he’s holding back but she specifically told him to go harder. Real Racists want so very hard to be able to say those words though, isn't that why dogwhistles exist in the first place? They can't because even though society is still racist, saying it openly would cause them problems. So it makes sense that if you're going to kill everyone you're going to say the words you like saying so much, especially if the only person left to hear them is someone who can't touch you in any meaningful way: after all Kimiko can't go to the media and ruin Stormfront's public persona.
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Sep 18, 2020 10:36
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piL posted:Surprised there hasn't been a Captain Hammer, "This is what pain feels like!?" gag yet. Given that Black Noire doesn't seem to react to pain, we might be headed that way.
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Sep 18, 2020 12:50
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Professor Shark posted:Do you guys have an honest to goodness pet Nazi Guy itt? The mods won't just threadban him despite the fact that he does nothing but poo poo up the thread and most people are too dumb to not fall for his poo poo constantly. ptkfvk posted:whats the rule here on comic spoilers and show speculation based off of that? I think it would be fair to use spoiler tags for the comics if just because I know a decent chunk of people have started reading the comics because of the show, or at least trying to. A lot of people drop them because they're turbo edgy and very dated.
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Sep 20, 2020 00:05
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jabby posted:That's kinda my point. She didn't need to actually grow up during WWII to be a racist, and we don't need an actual historical Nazi to spread racism in our current time. It's all happening now, without the need for suspension of disbelief. Sure if you take it 100% literally, but there are no super heroes in the real world either. So let us take it a bit more figuratively. Stormfront represents the nazi ideals and views; they went into hiding ages ago and laid low but in recent years have resurfaced and become very loud, prominent and concerningly supported by the angry populace who are scared and don't know where else to turn when this figure steps up telling them they're great and they deserve everything and that every problem in their life is because of other people. She is the modern alt-right nazi beliefs, a revival of the old beliefs in a new presentation that sways people by shouting aloud the things they desperately want to be true even if every facet of reality says it isn't. And homelander? Well he's good old American Exceptionalism. He's great because people tell him he's great, even though every single thing about him is utterly fake and entirely driven by capitalism; from his very concept and history to his personality and name. He isn't who, or what, he says he is - but if enough people say he is then he is; and they have been since his birth and any time someone begins to realize he might not be, that makes him very mad. So he's the greatest! He's Homelander! Everyone knows who homelander is and that homelander is great because he's homelander and he's the greatest! Ignore the fact that his only strength is a literal brute strength, people only tolerate him out of fear because they have no idea if he's going to go nuclear at the smallest slight or provocation and it doesn't matter if you're his ally or his enemy because whoever, or whatever, is flipping the switches in his brain doesn't seem to be working very well. But he seems to conflate that fear with respect and love well enough, so as long as the rest of the world fears him he's fine to call it love and respect and the only thing that matters is that everyone else shows it to him. And then the obvious happens: they gently caress. They gently caress real hard.
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Sep 20, 2020 06:16
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Bedshaped posted:I want for Antony Starr's muscle suit to also be Homelander's muscle suit. Never made sense why someone who could walk unperturbed through solid steel needs big guns. I hope so too, it would make so much sense with the character.
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Sep 20, 2020 10:14
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jabby posted:Well spotted! The early art, especially on the faces doubly so for female characters, is pretty bad. Then it gets worse when they start rotating out artists (especially for Herogasm where the artist for that volume doesn't seem to think about consistency or anatomy in any particular regard) but towards they end it settles on what I'd consider to be the best artist of the series for the major climax. The Many Faces of Homelander:    While I'm talking about the comics, I'll mention that there's two characters Ennis holds in particular regard: He loves The Punisher and hates Daredevil. Butcher, of course, is basically just his own personal Punisher, from the family revenge plot (admittedly not uncommon) to his visual design being very reminiscent of Punisher around the time. But I suppose a beefy, violent, white guy in a black coat isn't especially unique. More notable is that throughout the comic series there are several callbacks to Daredevil-like characters. From Butcher mentioning he castrated an aids-spreading hero, referring to him only as "the defender of hell's kitchen" to a flashback where he's breaking the knees of a man referred to as "The Man Who Can't See Fear" who looks, loosely, like Matt Murdock only to be told that, like everything else, the blindness was just branding and that he can see just fine. So it's kind of funny that the character they chose to kill this season was another Daredevil knockoff; very on-brand for the series.
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Sep 22, 2020 16:10
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Alchenar posted:Oh man I kept forgetting to post about this. Yes this scene was excellent and it was an extremely good decision to give Ashley a scene which explains why she exists and is in her job. She's not a quivering useless wreck all the time, it's just when she's around Homelander and it was important the show gave us a contrasting moment to clarify this. She didn't put up much of an effort when it came to Maeve during the commercial she walked out on. A-Train's the only character we've really seen her talk like that to so far, and while there's a good degree of assumption going on, on my end: I don't think it's exactly a coincidence that A-Train is the only one being fired, or retired, so suddenly for loving up.
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Sep 23, 2020 12:45
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CODChimera posted:Remember the good old days where you'd get spoilers that showed a main character getting killed and then we'd argue about if they were real or not Like a great many things, that was ruined by game of thrones season 8 where the shittiest of all spoilers turned out to be almost 100% accurate.
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Sep 24, 2020 08:19
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Ridiculous Edgar theory: He's Vought after getting some old world war 2 era soup nazi to Get Out him.
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Sep 26, 2020 14:35
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To be slightly more serious though I think Edgar not being cast white might just be for two reasons: A; in a series that generally speaks about corporate and social evils at the higher levels and how it spreads out to harm basically everyone like some kind of lovely octopus it might just be pointing out that it isn't strictly about race, that anyone can be a corporate monster and support the worst loving things regardless of who they are or where they come from in the name of power and wealth. And B; Giancarlo Esposito can play one hell of a business man .
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Sep 26, 2020 15:16
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Bip Roberts posted:Speculation for later in the season: My guess is the opposite: Starlight will be kicking her rear end, then homelander will drop in behind her and just punch a hole through her sternum or something to everyone's horror.
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Sep 26, 2020 23:04
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:REALLY glad they're adding a third dimension to her character I've really been enjoying how well a lot of the actors in this show use their expressions but it's something I don't really notice that much in a show but in The Boys they really do a lot of acting in the expressions. Also I like that Kimiko's entire storyline and character is deviating pretty hard from Frenchie needing to help or save her, rather than her relationships being forged on her own grounds and choice.
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Sep 28, 2020 07:17
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Over Under does not work that way!!!! I dunno, what's the over under on it working that way? 10 Beers posted:Maybe Stormfront gets outed as Liberty/a Nazi, and Homelander drops so many points by association the only way he can climb back up is to kill her. Well as everyone knows, the only way you can be nazi is to have been a member of the democratic socialist party back in the 1940's. The only possible way. So maybe she gets outed and there's a moment of "Oh, she's a nazi!" from the crowd, then she dies and everyone's like "Hooray, no more nazis! We're the good guys again!" as they go back to saying the exact same things the nazi was saying. While staring straight at the camera, speaking to the audience as clearly as possible.
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Sep 29, 2020 01:29
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Piell posted:Because his ability to lift things in flight only cares about the strength of his ability to fly, not using his strength to lift things. For example, the Hulk can't keep a plane steady in up in the air no matter how strong he is (other than repeatedly jumping up in the air and punching it i guess), because he has no ability to continue to exert force in the air since he can't fly. Have you ever been walking somewhere, then started thinking about how you walk? Try it next time, it gets weird when you're manually aware of a process you normally do automatically: I assume super powers are like that. Man just grabs a car and takes off, normally not thinking about it or giving a poo poo. But when faced with a plane, in the middle of a stressful moment, he's forced to think about how he normally does that poo poo and his brain grinds to a halt and he gets confused.
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Oct 2, 2020 01:13
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Crespolini posted:It's spelled out very clearly it wasn't him. It's even a plot point that he doesn't think of himself as a rapist because he's never physically held anyone down or whatever, and the stuff in the pictures is messing with him so hard he's getting panic attacks whenever he thinks about them His reaction isn't just to panic about it but to try and become the version of himself he sees in those photos. Because, clearly, he can do them: so why can't he do them? So throughout the comics there are shots where he's freaking out wondering "Why can't I do the things I can do?" and vomiting his guts out after doing something confidently horrible like murdering a whole bunch of people. It's not until the very end of the series where he's finally just broken himself enough to be proud of being capable of loving a dead man's skull. Something which impresses, and intimidates, literally no one: neither Butcher nor Stillwell at all really comment on the poo poo he does beyond the former wanting to kill him for his wife an the latter calling him a disappointment.
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Oct 4, 2020 23:22
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sticklefifer posted:I wonder if they're doing the Black Noir reveal this season or if they're just not adapting that part of his character. It wouldn't work so well given that they've already shown part of his face and he's pretty black. The other half of the reveal though, the one where he was designed to be Homelander's shadow to kill him if he ever stepped out of line? That'd still work. Aside from his nut allergy, he seems to be the most competent and loyal of the heroes.
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Apr 29, 2022 12:53
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The theme they seem to be going hard on, so far, to my dumb eyes at least is power. What with multiple people basically looking at the camera and talking about who, really, has power and the long shots of homelander looking ready to blow a gasket any time he's shown to be impotent and powerless because the only people who listened to him were those lower on the corporate ladder than he was. Meanwhile you have Hughie acting like a turd when he feels weak and helpless next to his awesome girlfriend and the stability of his new life gets rugpulled out from under him, trying to reclaim control and power of his life in the only way he knows how to anymore, and has since season one. Culminating with Butcher unsubtly becoming the very thing he hates in pursuit of a thing that, allegedly, will give him the power to kill all those people who are stronger than he is complete with someone telling him he's just like that guy he also hates: his dad. Fun three episodes, they seem to be borrowing more and more directly from the comics for plot beats at the moment but still change them enough that it's hard to predict for sure what will happen.
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Jun 8, 2022 15:17
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I don't think there's any kind of secret control he has over Homelander. He just knows homelander is an emotionally stunted failson who desperately wants daddy's approval and will never get it. Without people to acknowledge, fawn over and fear him: homelander is literally nothing.
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Jun 9, 2022 01:10
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Stan seems the sort of man who would spend just as much money and effort looking for a 'cure' for V so he can unambiguously keep his idiot creations under control. I feel like it's pretty obvious Stan has nothing but disdain for most, if not all, of them - except maybe Black Noir who seems to be the most ideal, loyal, soldier sort of the current batch but even then is prone to loving up in big ways if incidental conversations in the show matter. Also there seems to be a fan theory now that they're brothers so who knows. Vought's main interest seems to be politics and/or military contracts; in the comics, for what that matters, that was always their explicit goal, they had a long history really bad military contract poo poo and the whole super hero thing was, mostly, how they kept in business after the colossal failure of the original attempt at integrating soldier boy and his crew into the military which led to Mallory swearing he'd do everything in his power to stop them thanks to a scene similar to the flashback in the show not to specifically have their people on the front lines or in the white house, but to be the people behind the scenes pulling the strings of those people. The whole super heroes in the military thing is a bad idea from the outset because as The Seven have shown, it takes a massive amount of media circus just to keep them presentable; they're every day celebrity trash fires, only instead of having a public meltdown and drunkenly screaming about the jews, they're likely to blow up half a city block or tear a reporter in half, and they're too hard to control to stay profitable in the way Vought wants.
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Jun 9, 2022 08:32
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Shageletic posted:One of the best things, if not the best thing, the comic Boys did was focus on Vought's neptness yet continuing essential role in the military industrial complex. Hope they continue to focus on that. I think they might if just because the show seems to be taking the good ideas from the comic, polishing them up, then throwing most of the garbage aside. Like what they've done with Marvin, who was a cool character in the comic but absolutely everything around him was beyond awful.
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Thundercracker posted:Eh, at least here I've noticed binge shows have a life span of usually a week, a month tops. And then interest craters. Banter, whether here or irl is about not only content but space to think and digest Weekly shows do, too. That's the entire point; you string people along to the limit of their interest and then drop a new episode in front of them, repeat until you run out of episodes. At this point it's almost purely done because it's more favorable for the company in terms of netting them more money because it keeps people talking about their product longer. It's basically the same effect you get when you jingle keys in front of a child. If you jingle them for a minute straight the kid's going to get bored. But you jingle them for three seconds, then hide them, the kid will spend a few extra seconds wondering where the keys went then eventually get bored allowing you to pop the keys back out and jingle again before hiding them again and prolong that minute's worth of key time to like four minutes with all that space between. Wheeee posted:thank you scene group for getting the new episode to me faster than the streaming service I’m actually paying for I hope you're excited for ads coming to streaming services you pay for soon!
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Jun 10, 2022 02:58
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eschaton posted:Absolutely the case for The Boys, just as it was for changes from the books for Altered Carbon. He had a cameo last season, in the asylum. EDIT: finally caught up, and holy poo poo good episode. My guess is that there is no secret anti-supe weapon, but rather Soldier Boy is the weapon, and his laser blast somehow disables other powers. Which probably explains what happened to Black Noir since he, too, has healing powers; he got hit, got hosed up. Nuebot fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Jun 10, 2022 |
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Collateral posted:It would be more interesting if Homelander loses his powers, if only temporarily. Like superman did. This would be the best, I think. Maybe have a loser like Hughie just punch him once and have him go full crybaby over it.
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Jun 11, 2022 08:29
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unlimited shrimp posted:I don't trust the showrunners to be that anti-capitalist. It's a pretty direct adaptation of the character he draws heavily from in the comics with a speech not unlike the one Stan gave coming right at the climax of the series.
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Jun 12, 2022 07:30
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It would be kind of hilarious if there was a side plot with vought trying to have a safe, corporate, redemption plotline by introducing a villain for Homelander to save the world from. Only for him to show up on camera and pulp the guy who can't even fight back (and was probably just an actor in a costume) horrifying everyone even harder.
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Jun 13, 2022 00:44
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Avasculous posted:I bet Ashley would peg the hell out of whoever decided to put Soldier Boy's return in every trailer and season synopses. I felt like that really undercut the investigation of the first few episodes and the reveal scene. honestly it feels like they're pushing it too hard, there's no way they're going to play it straight. It'd just be too basic at this point.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I think what they're doing with A-Train is showing what happens to someone like him when his 15 minutes is over and his increasingly desperate and pathetic attempts to try to make it all like it was. My pet theory is that he's going to wind up in another position like in season one; homelander'll tell him to take care of Hughie and Starlight while he's busy, and despite the two trying to talk him down he's going to do the rear end in a top hat thing and his heart will go off. Only this time they're not going to stop to help him, because he's run out of chances. And A-Train will probably get the lamest death of anyone in the series.
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