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Guavanaut posted:What if you pick a broadcast channel that turns out to be wrong? It’s kind of funny seeing this thread interweave entirely correct mockery of anarchocapitalism with full-throated defence of it when it comes to the web, and media in general. Providing up to date political information is a core state function; with the demise of customer-funded news media it is no longer one that can be left to the private sector.
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Pilchenstein posted:This reads like something you'd see your dad post on facebook a couple of weeks before "you might as well just be racist since you're going to get called a racist anyway". If youmfind that the way you interact online commonly has that effect on other people, a moment’s self reflection could be in order.
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Aug 4, 2019 12:56
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Junior G-man posted:An area the size of Wales that we could literally do anything more useful on. I'm even willing to include nuclear waste storage. gently caress me. Can we compromise and store all the nuclear waste in golf course bunkers? Maybe it would even become worth watching on tv if a missed drive ended up in a radiation hazard, leading r\to having to play the next shot within 60 seconds before their skin melts off?
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Aug 5, 2019 22:16
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Jedit posted:It might lead to a left wing government if Labour does it. If the FBPEs get to do it, it will lead to a massive swell of support for reasonable centrist government and they will be able to profit from Tory policy without doing anything to change it or take any of the blame for making it. Dunno about FBPE’s, but the obvious objection to that policy is that literally zero voters want to spend the next 6-12 months ignoring all other political and economic issues in order to extend Brexit in an attempt to negotiate an implausible deal. Which, if somehow achieved, would then be campaigned against by the ones who negotiated it. Except that I don’t believe Labour have actually stated they would campaign against their own deal, only against a Tory one, right? Either way, while it can be accepted that Labour’s Brexit policy is absolutely clear, unambiguous and well communicated, the question of what it actually _is_ does seem still open.
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Aug 6, 2019 15:12
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Tarnop posted:Source your quotes The email sent to all Labour party members by Corbyn on 9th July, helpfully quoted a above. Read the bolded parts. As wrong as it is to reduce the nuance and deliberate question avoidance to yes/no, if you did so, you get ‘If we win an election we will Brexit’. Failing to understand that the probable majority of people people currently against Brexit would prefer a different policy is no basis for a successful campaign strategy.
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Tarnop posted:No version of Brexit exists that wouldn't be seen as a betrayal by some loud faction. My point is that a Norway deal is not implausible, nor would it take a year to negotiate. Brexit is now part of the political landscape for at least a generation, so again, if you've got a better suggestion I'd love to hear it. I would consider it implausible that Labour could negotiate a deal that led to satisfying 20% of leave voters while keeping the ~2024 GDP within 20% of what it would have been otherwise. The best route to satisfying a larger percentage of Brexit voters is to spend some of the resources and effort that lost money would represent on infrastructure, health care, welfare, industrial investment and culture. While stressing that we would never have been in a position to do so without the shock to the status quo represented by the Brexit vote.
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Aug 6, 2019 22:07
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Tarnop posted:
Obviously this is something that you strongly and passionately believe; that a majority of potential voters want hard Brexit so badly that they would give up the NHS, rail and bus services, bin collection, and probably inside toliets. Note that in order to believe that, you have to ignore all polling data, not only the public stuff from a variety of companies but also internal Labour polling. You have to ignore the result of real elections, bye elections, local elections, and what people say on the doorstop when you go out canvassing. Now, taken one by one, there are no doubt good reasons to be skeptical of each of those. But what is missing is any positive reason to bet the future of the part and country against the weight of all that evidence If you have some stone tablets inscribed with the word of god as to how people would vote given an active Labour ‘better than Brexit’ election campaign, please share a photo.
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Aug 7, 2019 10:25
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Tesseraction posted:You do remember Brexit voters think immigration is ruining all those things and Brexit would stop that, right? To which the correct response is ‘you are quite right, fixed funding and increasing population is a problem. We understand this and have a solution; Increase spending’. Most working class people are not really that racist; the claim that they are is one made by liberals in an attempt to avoid addressing their concerns.
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pitch a fitness posted:
True, but landlords, retired colonels and currency speculators don’t seem particularly like groups that Labour require to win a majority.
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baka kaba posted:The issue is that they're powerful, and their power lies in their ability to produce fossil fuels and the world's dependence on them. Except the ‘they’ here is not really the oil companies, but the owners of the oil and gas reserves. Which in some cases are the same thing, but usually are not; most oil reserves are effectively owned and controlled by states, individuals or dynasties, not corporations. An energy engineering firm can reasonably easily transition into nuclear or renewables; Putin, the Saudi royals and Texan landowners would have it much harder.
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Aug 7, 2019 22:46
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Jedit posted:When did you go full brainwormed FBPE? Countdown until the thread Brexit Death Cult faction calls Corbyn out as infected? There is no way that a minority Labour government could undo or significantly mitigate the harm of a no deal hard Brexit after it has happened. And I don’t read.Corbyn as the kind of person who would burn down the country to rule the ashes. The idea that there is absolutely nothing a parliamentary majority could do to stop a no deal Brexit because Boris has hidden the mace or whatever is obvious bullshit. It says something about the weakness of a position when that is the best argument that can be made for it. Either Parliament will vote for a pre-Brexit election, or they will not. Anything else is just spin to attempt to justify why they didn’t.
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Aug 9, 2019 11:31
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Guavanaut posted:Narrator: This did not happen. There is a fringe scientific view (radiation hormesis) that small amounts of radiation are actually good for you. You’d think Chernobyl would be a large enough involuntary experiment that that could be proven or disproven definitively. Anyone know if it has been studied? it would be kind of the opposite of darkly hilarious if it turned out the net effect of Chenobyl was to prevent a few thousand Finnish children of dying of leukaemia.
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Aug 12, 2019 10:35
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OwlFancier posted:Thinking technology has the potential to be useful to humans is not remotely the same thing as "we must always be 'progressing'" because that is the mindset of capitalism. No we mustn't always progress, technological and productive progress without a social foundation is exactly what got us where we are today. A perfectly static world is infinitely preferable to one where everyone gets killed by dickheads shouting PROGRESS as they wipe out most of the earth's biosphere and population. Can you clarify the exact academic field of study you work in that allows you to make such confident statements about the future interaction of climatology, ecology, technology, economics and politics? Or is being ignorant about STEM sufficient proof of mastery of all other fields?
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Gonzo McFee posted:20 hours a week apparently Not medieval farmers; are you thinking of hunter gatherers? Just go visit any museum of rural living and look at the stuff people had to make and do, or read any contemporary account. No way any modern person, except perhaps game developers, ever averaged more working hours a year than a pre-Industrial farmer. If anyone was working 20 hours a week, it was because they owned the farm and people to do the work. radmonger fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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CGI Stardust posted:
Yeah. Of course, the mistake they made was only hiring the men, who were used to being bosses supervising a labour force of a dozen or so women and children. Current Chinese capitalists are not so foolish, which is why iPhone factories have mostly female employees.
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Aug 14, 2019 09:45
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CGI Stardust posted:Best idea is the Roman general whisperer, but for STEMlords. Just have someone following them round all day on a Segway saying "you, too, are an idiot" so they don't get ideas above their station No doubt people with a technical education and knowledge of the real world are a terrible plague in America and perhaps China. But this is the UKMT; the last time a British person was ever put in charge of anything based on their knowledge of what they are talking about was probably some frigate captain in the napoleonic wars.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Liberals hate socialists more than fascists. True, but pretty sure LD potential voters, and probably members, hate Brexit more than either. It would require truly epic levels of spin and media distortion for them to get away with backing Boris in a VoNC So you, this is hell world, so we are still hosed. But better to go down fighting.
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Drone_Fragger posted:He’s busy wasting police time by giving credence to the stories of a pedophile fantasists Not sure that’s the hill you want to die on right now.
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Aug 15, 2019 09:44
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Wonder what odds you could get on (checks google) Baroness Smith of Basildon as next PM.
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Gorn Myson posted:
The underlying issue is that any prominent person with any kind of identifiable ethnicity or sexuality on Twitter is going to be receiving daily abuse with a volume and frequency that would seem excessive to a black traffic warden in 1960s Atlanta. Ask David Lammy or Diane Abbot how many deathrape threats they get on an average Tuesday, and how that’s the tip of a distribution that doesn’t have any clear dividing lines between the threats, hateful jokes, stereotypes, ignorance, and careless language. Maybe some people’s reaction to that is a bit nationalistic, tactically unwise or misdirected, especially if they are not accustomed to it outside Twitter. I mean, look how white people react when someone is kinda racist towards them. Obviously, few (but probably not none) of the people threatening say, Rachel Riley, with what happened to that Crimewatch presenter will be registered members of the Labour Party, or even meaningfully left wing. Still, you have to remember the power dynamics. Which are that, across the whole English speaking world, there are enough racists that Twitter find it profitable to provide them with access to victims.
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Doctors debate things like how to best sequence treatments and diagnostics given symptoms all the time. When they get that wrong, then a 2% difference in survival rates means, over a decade, a small towns worth of people die early. But still, it generally works ok; modern medicine is better than the medicine of 50 years ago in a way that isn’t true of politics. I think that is because everyone involved is starting from the same premise; ‘saving lives is good’. If a medical researcher pushes a plan that turns out to kill thousands more than it saves, they generally accept they were wrong, rather than doubling down on ‘those people were sick and so deserved it’. It’s when you find a doctor who isn’t working that way, like that GP serial killer, that not getting angry is weird and wrong. Maybe you could get your lib dem friend both accept that premise, _and_ understand that not everyone in politics does. If they did, they might plausibly become an ex-lib dem, rather than an ex-friend.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The core DUP value is national unity, it's a perfect fit. If national unification is the goal, isn’t that Sinn Féin’s music? Does being interim PM actually require an oath?
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feedmegin posted:I mean 1940 was literally a unity Government... Kind of lucky the Lib Dem’s didn’t exist then. Otherwise they’d have been all “while we oppose Nazism more than anyone, we can’t possibly support an extremist like Churchill. Surely a compromise figure like William Joyce can be persuaded to take the job?”.
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Aug 19, 2019 21:16
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Darth Walrus posted:
Is it definitely too late to call the whole Brexit thing off?
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Ratjaculation posted:Trump looks at A3 map of the world, is inspired that Greenland is the same size as the US, the African Continent and South America. When the miserable remnants of human technological civilisation are confined to the vineyards and oil wells of Antartica and Greenland, the Mercator projection will be no doubt be a great comfort to them.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Elder sign is also a pretty good co-op board game, if a little complicated to pick up at first. I haven't seen many board games that aren't competitive, come to think of it. Try Spirit Island, which is basically Catan. Except you play as the island, cooperating together to fight of waves of European colonialists
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Jedit posted:Would the BXP stand down, though? The BXP is Farage, and Farage would be just as content raking in racist cash to support the constant struggle to Brexit as he would be actually doing it. I think they'd be as or more ready to spin the "only we can be trusted to deliver" line. More importantly, if Labour, given a full term, can’t improve people’s lives enough that they no longer want to burn everything down, then what’s the point of them anyway?
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Guavanaut posted:I will be A No Deal, No Government Brexit really does seem to have a small, but not quite zero, chance of heading to food shortages, riots, martial law and possibly US peacekeeping forces. More 28 Weeks later than Mad Max. But either way, I wish to register the fact that, while I have little affection for the 2012 olympics, I do not consent to the risk of becoming an extra in a disaster movie.
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Looking forward to the coming general strike, and the decision of half the UK Marxism thread posters to cross picket lines in order to really show it to some FBPE tweetwoman.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Dumb question: whats is "no. 10"? Ive been seeing it a lot Number 10 Downing Street, the traditional London home and workplace of the Prime Minister. Most actually live at Number 11.
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I mean, if you want a self-enforcing constitution, an old lady with a sword has a very slightly larger chance of getting you that than, say, a book. It’s just like 0.5% rather than a flat zero.
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Pochoclo posted:in one of the richest European countries, No doubt true, but that is two to three things a post-Brexit Britain will no longer be.
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