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May they be a moral punishment for those who have betrayed their oath … Given these facts, the only thing left for me is to say to workers: I am not going to resign! In The News  • Harland and Wolff ceases trading, shipbuilders occupy the site and threaten to run Trade Unionist candidates against Democratic Unionist seats. • Data from the Office for National Statistics shows that the UK economy shrank by 0.2% in the second quarter of 2019, its first contraction since 2012. • Dick Braine is elected as leader of the UK Independence Party. • Sarah Wollaston does a Chuka, going Tory > CUK > Lib Dem • MPs vote by 294 to 293 in support of requiring ministers to give fortnightly updates on the situation in Northern Ireland. 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Temp Beers UKMT August 2019 - we (UK) should simply invade Ireland peacefully UKMT July 2019 - A more cheerful Brexit/BBC for slutty communists All Previous Threads (thanks Pesky Splinter) Steep Berm Europol Thread Scotpol Thread Trainchat Thread Political Cartoons Thread C-SPAM: BREXIT BYOB: UKMT Beep Terms Podcasting is Praxis - The official podcast of the UKMT with UKMT goons talking into microphones about things. Off the Fence - Brighton based, covering UK & Global topics. Pretty chill and professional peeps. Older 'casts can be found in the PLATFORM B archive. Reel Politik - The Original Leftie Hate Trolls. Check 'em out. We Don't Talk About The Weather - Two cool guys discuss news and other stuff. The UKMT-iest of Podcasts. Desolation Radio - Socialism from a Welsh perspective. Informative hosts. Revolutionary Despatches - Two new guys starting out. Connected & Disaffected - Breezy discussions of lefty social, and historical topics, and news updates. Pretty Good. 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Dungbar's number is the number of non-human primates you can keep in a pub before feces gets thrown. It's very low.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Do you mean Stephen Milligan, perchance? 
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Failed Imagineer posted:Are you kidding? I wish! He was a homeowner, job creator, scientific innovator, inspired loyalty in (some) of his troops. Imagine the power of a Krang committed to Marxist thought 
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Actually he'd be an ephebophile. I just thought we ought to clear that up early on.  (If you see Rod Liddle, call the police.)
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AceOfFlames posted:I realize I am alone on this but I don't think I could handle four day work weeks. There would be a lot more pressure to be productive in the shorter time and I am already bored enough on weekends. quote:It will be said that, while a little leisure is pleasant, men would not know how to fill their days if they had only [literally any working regimen less than what is current]. In so far as this is true in the modern world, it is a condemnation of our civilization; it would not have been true at any earlier period. There was formerly a capacity for light-heartedness and play which has been to some extent inhibited by the cult of efficiency. The modern man thinks that everything ought to be done for the sake of something else, and never for its own sake. Serious-minded persons, for example, are continually condemning the habit of going to the cinema, and telling us that it leads the young into crime. But all the work that goes to producing a cinema is respectable, because it is work, and because it brings a money profit. The notion that the desirable activities are those that bring a profit has made everything topsy-turvy. The butcher who provides you with meat and the baker who provides you with bread are praiseworthy, because they are making money; but when you enjoy the food they have provided, you are merely frivolous, unless you eat only to get strength for your work. Broadly speaking, it is held that getting money is good and spending money is bad. Seeing that they are two sides of one transaction, this is absurd; one might as well maintain that keys are good, but keyholes are bad. Whatever merit there may be in the production of goods must be entirely derivative from the advantage to be obtained by consuming them. The individual, in our society, works for profit; but the social purpose of his work lies in the consumption of what he produces. It is this divorce between the individual and the social purpose of production that makes it so difficult for men to think clearly in a world in which profit-making is the incentive to industry. We think too much of production, and too little of consumption. One result is that we attach too little importance to enjoyment and simple happiness, and that we do not judge production by the pleasure that it gives to the consumer. Get a hobby. Read books. Do some home improvements. Lots of things are good that aren't working for the efficiency profits of someone else. Plus the UK is bad at productivity efficiency anyway. Gonzo McFee posted:I remember him saying that Billie Eilish was the thinking man's pop starlet before I knew who she was. Then I found out she was 17 and heard the lyric "might seduce your dad type" and it all fell into place in my head. Illuyankas posted:It's terrible because it's almost identical to the worst word in the English language, cunny
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, but I'd rather be bored at home staring at the wall than being bored making some other oval office money. Or there's always OwlFancier posted:It's 1337 o clock and I am day drinking so what. Grey Hunter posted:South of Brum, South. 
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Failed Imagineer posted:Didn't realise things had gotten that bad, Brexit makes more sense now Junior G-man posted:reconstituted Danelaw
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I call upon you Rhodri the Great, King of Gwynedd, uniter of Cymru. I call upon you Maredudd ab Owain, of the House of Dinefwr. I call upon you Pybba of Mercia, son of Creoda and father of Penda and Eowa. I call upon you Coenwulf, last of the bretwaldas. Actually, they're called pikelets.
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OwlFancier posted:I also think of them as pikelets but it sounds like a racial slur so I feel weird using it. OwlFancier posted:The cameron crumpet is extremely not kosher.
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Aramoro posted:Pikelets aren't crumpets, they're more like drop scones. Pikelets are crumpets in North Wales and parts of the Midlands, it's from bara pyglyd, and the Welsh likely invented them. Sometimes they're slightly flatter crumpets baked without the ring, other times they're all crumpets. In Australia a pikelet is a type of pancake which I'm just going to add to the list of other things they're dangerously wrong about. A crempog otoh is a pancake.
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Miftan posted:The Lord Balfour - The famous crumpet that Balfour ate before signing his famous declaration (editor's note: the declaration was assuring the jews in palestine that they'll be able to live there or something, it's very famous in Israel and is taught in high school history as a pivotal moment). Narrator: This did not happen.
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StarkingBarfish posted:How the gently caress does 'crunchy mash' work? That's like saying fried soup or boiled sorbet damnit. I'm not sure if that's what they mean. Also there's a Hawaiian Lahaina Fried Soup. And of course some madman from Lancashire has tried deep frying soup.
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Is the Other independent or BXP?Vlex posted:I guess the real question is, though, would the LDs genuinely go into coalition with a No-deal Tory government?
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Private Speech posted:Am I remembering wrong or didn't Guido use to be vaguely leftish at one point, rather than the British equivalent of Drudge Report?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Quoting Sun Tzu is such a reliable indicator of a loving idiot, lol
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namesake posted:Any political theorist that didn't have to deal with a tank is probably of limited value these days.
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Josef bugman posted:Why are all these people in charge so utterly and completely poo poo at it? RabidWeasel posted:It would make sense ideologically but I'm not sure quite how much the LDs want to be seen as the "literally just Tories who don't hate the EU" party
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Beefeater1980 posted:Beat me to it (though I don’t think it’s a stupid assumption, just not a thought-through one). There’s a reason every successful anti-corruption drive in history has involved raising government salaries. Downside: 
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Being a legislator should be like being in the army: there should be a chance you'll die at any given moment e: 20/20 indicates normal vision at 20 feet, although it commonly means 'perfect vision'. The metric equivalent is 6/6. 
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Junior G-man posted:The worst thing really would be a massive government AI programmed by some silicon valley seasteading oval office. Unfortunately that just gets you coup'd by the CIA.
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CGI Stardust posted:*extremely programmer voice* Government should be like.... *thinking hard* ...a computer!!
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And now these three remain: Faith, Hop and Charity. But the greatest of these is Hop. The funny thing is that of the great philosophical pessimists most of them recommend the exact opposite to "just do nothing" even if they vary wildly in what that something is.
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Jedit posted:Don't you believe it. Someone recently tried to write an AI expert system that completed a test and attempted to improve by finding ways of beating the previous high score measured on a number of metrics. One iteration figured out that if instead of comparing with the other scores it simply deleted them, its own score was automatically the highest. Is that better or worst than governance by a system of public school chodes trying to cement their own power and retire to cushy directorships? At least it had an original thought.
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feedmegin posted:As a programmer I have wondered if we could do a better job of a planned economy with modern computers as opposed to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn ...
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thespaceinvader posted:This is step one for human governments as well, though, and they seem to have managed so far.
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Party Boat posted:It's interesting that you were advocating government by AI, because this is the kind of hosed strategy that an AI asked to optimise someone's happiness would come up with.
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coffeetable posted:a great example is how the american executive can run wars without congressional approval despite that being explicitly forbidden in the constitution, thanks to a century of executives pushing public expectations on that particular topic quote:Surely, this will be the last opportunity for me to address you. The Air Force has bombed the antennas of Radio 5 Live. My words do not have bitterness but disappointment. May they be a moral punishment for those who have betrayed their oath … Given these facts, the only thing left for me is to say to workers: I am not going to resign!
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peanut- posted:Normal MPs earn about £80k don't they? Not over £100k.
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forkboy84 posted:For those of you who don't check CSPAM, there's a thread with one of those silly little leftist political compass style quiz where they ask you 70-odd questions before concluding if you're a tankie or a succdem  Some of the questions suffer from a problem of purity, like "Reforming capitalist society to achieve better rights for workers is desirable." It is desirable over going lolbertarian and not doing that, but it's not sustainable or the end of the process. Others suffer from problems of definition, like "Socialism can only be fully achieved in developed industrialized societies." Marxist socialism, yeah sure, but hunter-gatherer tribal socialism? I agree that you can't truly have feudal-era agriculturalism and socialism though. Quiet Gerrard. Others suffer from problems of degree, like "It is acceptable for humanity to suffer to some notable extent in order to preserve the natural ecosystem." are we talking stubbed toes or smallpox, or "Some small scale destruction of nature is acceptable if it notably benefits humanity." like I do agree that houses should exist, but disagree with mass deforestation for burgers. "People of similar cultures should unite in federations or confederations." set off my alt-right alarm. Chuka Umana posted:I thought I was the only non Trotskyist who posted in this thread?
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forkboy84 posted:Hi-five Council Communist buddy!  "A socialist government has no right to disrupt religious or cultural traditions in any situation." is another one that got me overthinking. Like a socialist government has no right to go around being imperialistic dicks and saying 'lel sky wizard' while kicking over people's private shrines, or ban cannabis because the scary black people faith venerates it, but there's religious or cultural traditions that are deeply reactionary and should gently caress off, and don't deserve special protection just because "well we've always excommunicated the gays and kept the races separate and it says so on the holy soup bowls revealed by our prophet Dick Wanker that just so happened to reflect exactly the prejudices of the era." Also clerical religions tend to be hierarchies and I have Views on those.
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Chuka Umana posted:I have noticed that pretty much all the left opposition to the EU has gone away since the referendum. I was expecting a lot of old school leftists to oppose the EU.
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The Deleter posted:There are two separate curses on this thread - AceOfFlames complaining about how he's too sad to stop re-enacting the story of Pink Floyd's The Wall, and people Karmering in to post Francis Tweetman.
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The bot that gave us United Ireland has done it again!
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