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jarofpiss posted:it's actually good to have a tight scope on what your project is trying to accomplish and i think this thread did a perfectly good job of that. edit: I think it's good that there's a full on goon project available but yes there's gaps that need to be filled and if people want to donate to one or the other or both who cares. spacemang_spliff has issued a correction as of 13:52 on Dec 1, 2022 |
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jarofpiss posted:when i give someone money that asks for it i do not follow them around to make sure they spend it wisely. it's a waste of my time and resources and at the end of the day it's their problem not mine. You didn't answer the question. Nothing that this guy can do, in your opinion, would be stealing the money because it's just a donation to his patreon with no strings attached? That's what you said but I want to make sure.
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*hmm yes it's that time of the month i review the public accounting books of my $5 charitable donations* ????spacemang_spliff posted:because there's good drama thread content to be wrung out of it i agree it owns and ive enjoyed reading it
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:I should vote with my wallet? Thanks, my left wing friend. Anyway, I have been not donating to this fund for many years, so I put my money where my mouth is on this one. you don't have to vote at all
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:You didn't answer the question. Nothing that this guy can do, in your opinion, would be stealing the money because it's just a donation to his patreon with no strings attached? That's what you said but I want to make sure. yes if i gave him the money he didn't steal it from me? im not buying something from him, i gave him the money and assume he's doing something marginally useful with it? if he's not i guess it'll work itself out eventually? i'm not that invested in a patreon subscription
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jarofpiss posted:it's not being stolen if it's being funded by no-strings-attached patreon subscriptions? are you the kind of person that hands a homeless person a sandwich instead of money because you're worried they'll spend it wrong? More the sort that walks by without making eye contact while concocting a backstory in their head about how it's that person's fault for being homeless, they're probably a dangerous drug addict - and then later laughing with friends about how weird this person they saw was, muttering those crazy things
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spacemang_spliff posted:edit: I think it's good that there's a full on goon project available but yes there's gaps that need to be filled and if people want to donate to one or the other or both who cares. the full on goon project committee fund will inevitably self destruct into an abuser allegation polycule fiasco because at the end of the day the vast majority of people that want to be on a committee overseeing a fund with 4 figures in the bank are complete lunatics. so it is 100% worth funding at this point as the drama return on investment will be far greater than this one imo
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jarofpiss posted:yes if i gave him the money he didn't steal it from me? im not buying something from him, i gave him the money and assume he's doing something marginally useful with it? if he's not i guess it'll work itself out eventually? Ok. You're just a pea brain then.
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Ok. You're just a pea brain then. i will say that this conversation has reminded me to cancel my netflix subscription that i haven't watched in 6 months so i appreciate that
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jarofpiss posted:the full on goon project committee fund will inevitably self destruct into an abuser allegation polycule fiasco because at the end of the day the vast majority of people that want to be on a committee overseeing a fund with 4 figures in the bank are complete lunatics. so it is 100% worth funding at this point as the drama return on investment will be far greater than this one imo you’re so loving stupid it’s breathtaking. pontificate elsewhere, dipshit.
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Ok. You're just a pea brain then. have u never just given someone money before?
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CODChimera posted:have u never just given someone money before? youre oversimplifying, in this case there’s an intermediary who is expected to disburse the funds to others. expecting people to behave responsibly isn’t counter revolutionary.
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I got the tude now posted:youre oversimplifying, in this case there’s an intermediary who is expected to disburse the funds to others. expecting people to behave responsibly isn’t counter revolutionary. counter revolutionary lol sure okay
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:at the very least this thread should probably be closed because it's just going to be a battleground for slapfights from here on out oh wow I'm still right
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redneck nazgul posted:because people think it would be funny to break it and be able to say "hey remember when a gambling addict stole $3000 a month from cspam? lol. lmao." I don’t think the other fund is a 501c either. 500 good dogs posted:you don't need to be a 501c3 (or any organization) to send people money
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:oh wow I'm still right wrong i paid upwards of $25 to the goon fund and i am entitled to the returns on my investment I got the tude now posted:youre oversimplifying, in this case there’s an intermediary who is expected to disburse the funds to others. expecting people to behave responsibly isn’t counter revolutionary. i know im breathtakingly stupid, but i think maybe you are missing my point that treating everything as if it is some high stakes billion dollar gates foundation charity drive that requires board members and audits and elections and reports is overkill and stupid for a project like the goon fund with such a stated limited scope that it was arguably fulfilling. and perhaps the fact that many goons appear to have a deep internal need to turn it in to that sort of charity is something they should reflect on who said anything about revolution?
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jarofpiss posted:wrong i paid upwards of $25 to the goon fund and i am entitled to the returns on my investment there is no point in arguing, there isn't any issue here to "win" on this is the same old story of some middle-aged posters arrested developmentally in their teen years saw an unlocked car and decided to take it out for a joy ride and set it on fire because they were bored
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How are we back to “he must be pocketing the money because he hasn’t shown any proof he isn’t”? the other thread went through almost 2k in 4 days, we have a clear demonstration that it’s incredibly reasonable and realistic to expect this fund could churn through 3k less whatever patreon cut there is in a month. There’d only be a notable amount of money left in the fund to pocket if Plinkey was turning down requests left and right, people already looked for that a month and a half ago and found that wasn’t the case. The QCS thread p much ended on the note of “okay well yeah he is giving people who ask money but what if he is keeping the leftover money?” Now we already have a new easy to look at example that makes that outcome much less likely. At this point common sense conclusion is the fund was working exactly as described. The new project is a cool design and I think we can all call it a win it got off the ground, seems like there’s a larger need of help than people expected and it’s good that there’s now more help available.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:there is no point in arguing, there isn't any issue here to "win" on f or sure dude who definitely knows what’s going on
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those donations totaling 2k+ where all me and my alts and i bought 4 louis vuitton t-shirts
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a fund that's only for united states goons would have seen me unable to get my cat into a hospital when she was dying so her sister is happy she's still alive too
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:there is no point in arguing, there isn't any issue here to "win" on this is pathetic
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Slanderer posted:this is pathetic Yeah, but with any luck in another decade or two they should grow out of it and contented in senility.
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it's great that people who want to distribute money to goons in need and make reports and generate policy documentation and register with the feds to be tax-exempt can do that. nothing was stopping them from doing it anyway. what sucks is people deciding they have to invent crimes just so they have something to be mad about and can be the Adults Explaining How This Guy I Made Up Is A Criminal And You're All Stupid Children what also sucks is mods coming in after at least a month of this to say "oh well now that the other one's up and running, maybe we can all be civil." I got the tude now posted:you’re so loving stupid it’s breathtaking. pontificate elsewhere, dipshit. turn your loving monitor on Slanderer posted:this is pathetic mlyp
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Paladinus posted:Hey, so I'll post my offer again in this thread, because I don't know if it was picked up on in the QCS thread, just to have a nice carrot, not just a bundle of sticks. To circle back on this. It's December now, and there are a lot of new posts in this thread, but it looks like it's mostly people arguing. Have there been any developments on the listed issues? It's not that the money's burning a hole in my pocket, but I do want to get my own budget in order for the end of the year, so would be nice to know if I can donate the money elsewhere.
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Paladinus posted:To circle back on this. It's December now, and there are a lot of new posts in this thread, but it looks like it's mostly people arguing. Have there been any developments on the listed issues? It's not that the money's burning a hole in my pocket, but I do want to get my own budget in order for the end of the year, so would be nice to know if I can donate the money elsewhere. no, this thread is still "sure hope this goes somewhere good and not into patreon streamer subs" use the other thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4014910
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Paladinus posted:To circle back on this. It's December now, and there are a lot of new posts in this thread, but it looks like it's mostly people arguing. Have there been any developments on the listed issues? It's not that the money's burning a hole in my pocket, but I do want to get my own budget in order for the end of the year, so would be nice to know if I can donate the money elsewhere. speng31b posted:update: 
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Tatsuta Age posted:no, this thread is still "sure hope this goes somewhere good and not into patreon streamer subs" DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:there have been no changes in operating procedure here. however, i strongly encourage that you check out our new fund at https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4014910 where we've made a lot of progress recently. Nice to see there's progress. Sent really queer Christmas a PM.
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jarofpiss posted:it's actually good to have a tight scope on what your project is trying to accomplish and i think this thread did a perfectly good job of that. Exactly this. I had a major crack ping when I realized the overton window on mutual aids was completely controlled by bazinga succghouls like the absolute freaks in the other thread. But hellworld gonna hellworld, there’s no ethical donation under capitalism, so keep calm and tormp on!
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:Exactly this. I had a major crack ping when I realized the overton window on mutual aids was completely controlled by bazinga succghouls like the absolute freaks in the other thread. But hellworld gonna hellworld, there’s no ethical donation under capitalism, so keep calm and tormp on! this
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Javid posted:I hit him up once in a pinch, and the paypal transfer showed up a week and a half later without further conversation, roughly coincident with someone else having poked him in the thread about their own request i'm not a bad faith troll! i'm just broke! the other goon fund helped me a little bit but i was stupid and didn't ask for as much as i really needed because asking for money really, really sucks
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:Exactly this. I had a major crack ping when I realized the overton window on mutual aids was completely controlled by bazinga succghouls like the absolute freaks in the other thread. But hellworld gonna hellworld, there’s no ethical donation under capitalism, so keep calm and tormp on! Please go outside
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precision posted:i'm not a bad faith troll! i'm just broke! ask again! the worst anyone can say is no but the best outcome is getting some or all of the help. im relieved to here you were helped, idk why this thread was pretending like you didnt exist and was posting around you CODChimera posted:have u never just given someone money before? when i give a stranger money irl there isnt a middleman who scrapes 20% off of it. this is not a difficult thing to comprehend as an obvious problem
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:Exactly this. I had a major crack ping when I realized the overton window on mutual aids was completely controlled by bazinga succghouls like the absolute freaks in the other thread. But hellworld gonna hellworld, there’s no ethical donation under capitalism, so keep calm and tormp on! lol lmao
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