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I am no Trek expert and I have never seen Enterprise and have no idea how the timeline works but they're setting up Khan right? Like that's what this has to be? The Eugenics Wars clearly never happened in this version of the Trek timeline and there's always been a vague connection between the Soong family and those events. The original is peak Trek, very literally the highest point of the franchise, and something they've been trying to revisit but hosed up terribly in their last attempt, so why not take another swing at it? Every other aspect of this season of Picard is just revisiting better Trek, so why the gently caress not that? Even this episode is clearly wanting to be Trials and Tribble-ations but because it's Picard they're doing it very, very poorly.
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Charity Porno posted:I do think they are setting up the roots of Khan, but I think it's also the writers wanting to push the timeline of the Eugenics Wars back a little bit since "they started in 1999!" has been a joke for 23 years It would be the one retcon I wouldn't really mind and it can always be handwaved with "the records were lovely". The fact that they dropped in a line about him testing poo poo on soldiers is really what got me thinking about it. I don't expect Khan himself to show up, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're laying the groundwork for a Khan series to be set a few decades into the future of the events of Picard's 2024. Delsaber posted:The impression I got from Soong's hearing was that the Eugenics Wars already happened and that's why his funding was getting pulled via whatever treaty or accord they mentioned. But that could be totally off, since as Picard said later, records from this century are "chaos", so a lot of the details between major landmark events are fuzzy. Going by their analysis of the atmosphere and it not having high levels of radiation yet, I took it to mean that WW3 hadn't happened yet because I thought the Earth would need to get nuked in there someplace. But again my Star Trek lore gets real fuzzy real fast and I'm not going to rewatch the beginning of Episode 3 to get the actual quote because this show doesn't deserve that level of scrutiny. Khanstant posted:eh wot? the two meme men people joke about and goof on for decades in peak trek? the guy with his tits out that makes kirk so horny he screams to the heavens in lust, this is peak trek? Wrath of Khan is the absolute best film in the entire franchise by miles and the only one that comes close is Voyage Home. I don't want to belabor it, but Kirk screaming to the heavens isn't because he's horny, but because he knows how to play to Khan's ego. It was all to make Khan think he had won to buy them time. The characterization in that film is exceptionally well-done; the stakes are high while being personal, and it asks real questions about the nature of man and his place in the universe. I have to assume you've seen it though and know all of that, but if you haven't and you're just going by the memes, you owe it to yourself to actually watch it.
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Apr 1, 2022 00:35
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Q, but he starts with a needle and is trading his way up to access to a genetics lab.
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I got a real "Pirates of the Caribbean 2" vibe from what Jurati's plan with the Borg were. She wasn't just going to have people consent I thought, but would specifically prey upon derelict craft where the odds of survival were zero. But I also only half-paid attention to the dialog at that point because I couldn't care anymore.
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Jun 6, 2022 08:49
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Arglebargle III posted:I told DALL E mini to make Muppet Star Trek Wrath of Khan and this came out DALL E and Star Trek have been pretty consistently good for me.   "Captain James T. Frog"  "Kermit Picard"  
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Jun 7, 2022 06:30
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Imagine how good Picard Season 2 would have been if it had just been Star Trek Sliders/Quantum Leap with them hopping from one bizarre alternative timeline to the next trying to find the key to bringing them all home and stopping the Borg Queen.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:34
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And of course an episode of Picard where they're all Muppets. Let's get Farscape weird. Edit: On second thought, maybe not. 
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bltzn posted:In hundred years Elon Musk will be probably be remembered more for SpaceX than for being an rear end in a top hat who tweets too much. Newton wasn't kind of an rear end in a top hat: he was basically a litigious copyright squatter who made life hell for everyone that crossed him before that was even a thing. Like the dude spent decades beefing with Leibniz over who came up with the idea for calculus because Leibniz had the gall to publish it for the world to use when Newton just thought it was a convenient shortcut but had no real application and so never bothered sharing it with anyone outside of his immediate circles. He was also something of a mad scientist and was completely loving obsessed with alchemy to the point that he saw that as his life's real work and not, you know, modern physics. However, no one knows this because he had real good PR in the form of the Royal Society and Voltaire (who was really more anti-Leibniz than pro-Newton) and he absolutely had Leibnizian physics buried, which may actually be closer to how the universe functions than Newtonian. It wasn't really until the 20th century that we started going back and rediscovering how useful a launching point Leibniz's work was, and even Einstein identified himself as a Leibnizian. On top of that, Newton was a snitch. He was in charge of combating the declining value of the Pound and actively worked to catch counterfeiters who were devaluing the currency. The guy is a fascinating study in just being a jerk to everyone, having poo poo priorities, being championed by sycophants who want to ride his coattails, and potentially holding humanity as a whole back because he insisted on doing things his way. So, you know, the comparisons to Elon might be spot loving on. Except Newton was actually smart as well, just a dick who didn't consider that he might be wrong about certain things.
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Jun 9, 2022 02:47
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The problem I have with this is that it puts all the credit for SpaceX on Musk, which is basically just the "great man" theory of history, a fallacious approach. SpaceX very likely has done all of the great things posters upthread have stated, but if not for Musk then someone else, and if not for SpaceX, then another organization. There are multiple competing companies (plus other countries doing their own things, like China successfully launching its own missions and building its own space station) and tons of government funding going out, so the idea that Musk is somehow responsible, when he's not doing the designing of the rockets or leading the missions himself, is sort of absurd to me. Like Khan was an actual genius who planned the battles and managed an empire on top of being a capable warrior in his own right. Musk at best is approving budgets and possibly involved in hiring upper management. He's spread so thing across his ventures that it's hard to see any one as any more than just a vanity project with his name on it left to more capable people to run.
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Jun 9, 2022 04:46
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Khanstant posted:Even if they built a teleporter from here to mars, it's still not something elon musk ever did. He's not an inventor, he's not an ideas guy, he's not handy, he's not a genius. Wright brothers actually built and tested their poo poo, Zefram Cochrane is a genius inventor who worked with a team on engineers to make a warp drive. He didn't just be like "gee a way to go faster than light magically would be nice" and throw money he didn't earn or deserve around until some genius inventor or team of engineers make it. History shouldn't praise or remember the people with too much money, anything they're doing with that money, the people the money belongs to could do, since they're the ones doing it all along. I think this is an especially important lesson to remember in the context of the Star Trek universe especially. The universe of Star Trek works because people are able to dedicate themselves to their intellectual pursuits without having to worry about if that will keep them alive. Musk would likely be remembered as a villain, someone who may have contributed to enabling early commercial space flight, but because of his hording of wealth and singlemindedness, held back medical technology that went sorely underfunded, while he also stole credit from the actual brilliant engineers who did the work.
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Jun 9, 2022 05:58
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Blamestorm posted:I thought that was the implication, she’s started putting them all through these drills, even the Captain, so it’s fresh to all of them. I’m assuming it’s been some months since ep 1. This is my take, and it's also possible that she's imitating her own Security mentor, so these tropes might be bigger than just her specifically. I do like how we get about one line out of Kirk every other episode and he's a total goon. The episode felt a bit too much like a bad Babylon 5 one-off for me, and yeah specifically that one just because it ends with the kid dying. I've been watching this with my 6 year old, but after reading a spoiler I decided to screen this one by myself first. This might be the first episode I have to skip for him because uh that ending is probably not great for a six year old to see.
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Jun 10, 2022 00:40
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Taear posted:It felt like a long term thing that's all. Like I say it's not a big deal, just a bit weird. A little like Number 1's reveal in the second episode - it feels like it needed more time to work. Given all the monstrous poo poo we see on our own planet "just because" it wouldn't surprise me at all to see a planet where people are perfectly happy to sacrifice someone else's kid every few years, especially if they never have to confront it directly. Not everyone on the planet was in the Ascension Chamber after all. It isn't until it's your kid that gets picked that you realize how absolutely hosed up the whole thing is, which is what prompted his father to joining the rebels. My guess is that the colony planet is just close enough that they can continue to try and resist and recruit more members, but with warp travel I guess I don't know how much proximity really matters. It could also just be an absolute rejection of the lifestyle. They're basically self-flagellating for their prior decadence and sins.
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Super Deuce posted:I felt a bit of the Babylon 5-ness, but that helped the episode I thought. Also, if the remake of B5 ever happens, SNW cast fits the human roles pretty well. As much as I love B5, that episode is season 1.
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Facebook Aunt posted:It is not a difficult problem to fix. They either torture one child, or their city and all their children will fall into the lava and die. The dissidents already solved it, by moving to a nearby ice rock planet. But most people don't want to go live on a barely habitable ice planet, so they stay on the child torture lava planet. Give 'em a third option: a nice class M planet to live on. It won't be as nice as the floating paradise, partly because their technology is probably based generating unlimited energy from lava, but a few generations of sacrifice will let them build a cool city again. I mean, they were literally offered membership in the Federation ten years prior and presumably had the situation been made clear at the time, they would have been relocated to more habitable worlds. They chose instead to not open the can of worms and to continue to live as an independent planet, keeping the Federation in the dark. Even the rebels didn't ask for Federation assistance and wanted to keep it a secret up until the father's desperation made him crack. It's an internal problem and they'll solve it on their own.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Giving it some more thought, it seems to me there's a possible resolution waiting. Problem with this is that it was heavily implied if you don't switch out the kids basically immediately, the society dies right then and there. At the very least, the Federation would have to be complicit in any number of children being sacrificed while they worked on the solution.
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The actress identifies as non-binary (and uses she/her pronouns irl for what it's worth), so it's more an extension of that than any particular thing in the script. "They/them" doesn't automatically mean non-binary. It gets used in casual conversation quite a bit as a singular pronoun without any connotation, so I don't necessarily read that much into (though multiple instances of it is pretty convincing). It certainly could have been intentional, but for me it's more who was portraying Angel than any specific coding.
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Butternubs posted:Another good episode, I hope they're not lulling me into a false sense of security, Cant wait for the Captain Pike's kitchen spin off. This was my read on it. It matters to the audience because of representation and it's something you can learn if you choose to look into it, but in the realm of Star Trek it doesn't loving mean anything.
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XboxPants posted:It also matters to us because she looks straight into the camera and tells us "hey, biology is not identity, and not even your culture should define who you have to be, you are yourself and you can't escape that" and that theme hits in a very different way if it's coming from a trans, gender non-normative actress and character. I somehow knew she was NB and still somehow completely didn't connect that speech to what the show was saying about trans rights, so that's on me. In a way it's to the show's credit because while themes are important, I just really liked Spock's story and conflict here and that's largely where my attention was. The show handles these issues really well.
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alexandriao posted:Stop, stop, you're making it sound cool Honest to god that episode is good and it's all the more crushing how awful everything before and after it are for it.
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Was sad we didn't see Kyle or Kirk this episode.
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Jun 24, 2022 14:17
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Yeah Spock explains it. They had primitive ships and nuclear weapons so no prisoners were ever possible. Video tech hadn't been developed. The entire treaty process was through sub-space radio.
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Trying posted:Goddam Troi is bad at her job Right? They already know the guy can take possession of crew at will, so any attempt to apprehend him was going to end in disaster. Had she just debated the moral implications and the last 20 odd years of his life standing as testament to the fact that he's not acting like a Borg, then the Borg would have lost their window of opportunity to coup the Federation.
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I liked the Klingons well enough but they did kind of look like they were borrowing MCU costumes.
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Jun 16, 2023 07:18
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Cojawfee posted:There are Klingons in the MCU? No? I just meant that the style of costumes we saw the Klingons wearing up until the appearance of the battle cruiser captain looked like the kind of outfits I would expect to see in an MCU film. They didn't feel exactly like Star Trek to me, but I can't quite put my finger on why. I just used the MCU as a point of comparison for why they felt a bit off. It's not really a big deal, but it stood out to me. The makeup, prosthetics, and performances were spot on and I like the direction they're taking them in.
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I genuinely thought she was butchering a Scottish accent at first and was going to suggest her nephew for a position on the ship.
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Jun 16, 2023 15:04
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I really need an episode called "My Two Spocks" where we have Kelvin Spock and SNW Spock in a misadventure in the Mirror Universe using TOS footage.
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Jun 30, 2023 02:22
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Yeah Kirk being absolutely terrible at cars was a good gag even if it was similar to what James Gunn did with GotG Vol 3. It was so much better than Picard's awful car scene in season 2.
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Jun 30, 2023 05:01
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I think the only thing that really bothers me about this episode is that it plays into idiotic futurist beliefs like it's ok for people to suffer in the present because we'll someday have utopian space socialism. La'an can make that call because she's seen the actual future. Elon Musk has no evidence that things are going to improve for us in the real world.
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Jun 30, 2023 05:29
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The Temporal War is evidence of time pushing back against their efforts.
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Jun 30, 2023 16:26
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Hyperriker posted:I've never seen any Lower Decks, is that what it's like? They really lean into the fact that Lower Decks is animated so it's cheap and easy to callback to every tiny thing that ever happened in a Trek. Steve Shives has a pretty decent YouTube channel where he gushes over Trek, but that is the specific reason why he dislikes Lower Decks. I personally love the characters and their chemistry and so can look beyond all the references. If references are upsetting, then no, Lower Decks is not for you.
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MikeJF posted:The amount that Lower Decks uses references varies. Sometimes it's in-your-face, sometimes it's all background and you won't know there are references at all. This one leaned into it quite a lot because it's an episode about nostalgia for the earlier time. This being live action and requiring characters to directly reference things through dialog also play a role in making them more in your face than casual background gags. I personally loved the episode, but I do get how it might be jarring if you're not used to Lower Decks' style.
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I'm looking forward to the first live action Trek filmed entirely in an abandoned mall.
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No. The movie is about Garak returning from Cardassia with an urgent message for Kira: He's alive. We found him. It's time for you to bring him home. It's a political spy thriller about securing the release of Thomas Riker while navigating the fraught fragments of the former Cardassian Union and its colonies and labor camps seeking independence and or trying to dominate one another.
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I mean why not both? Garak and Kira partisan reunion trying to recover the physical body of Riker while Bashir and O'Brien have to hack into a Cardassian mind prison where his consciousness is being stored. Grand Nagus Rom has to rig Quark's holosuit to connect into the Cardassian system and it ends with O'Brien beaming Riker's consciousness into the wormhole where Kira and Garak are waiting with the body. Sisko makes his on screen return, exiting the Celestial Heaven to merge the body and mind of Riker. It'll ignore the comic canon, but whatever.
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Aug 29, 2023 11:58
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Kira promised she'd go after him one day.
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Aug 29, 2023 14:57
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Kira's made a lot of bad romantic decisions, yeah.
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Aug 29, 2023 15:14
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Aces High posted:I honestly thought that was going to be a clue that Deanna was a Changeling but nope. The Founders are not bloodthirsty or aggressive. They are deeply paranoid and dealing with trauma that affects the entire collective species. Given the opportunity, they would wipe out all solid life in the universe, but they are also patient and confident and so don't tip their hand when they don't have to. By late season 7, it's clear what absolute monsters they are.
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Aug 30, 2023 01:09
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I watched Picard Season 3 before watching DS9 so I missed bucket references. What was I supposed to have caught?
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Ooooh I remember that happening and didn't think twice about it because again I wasn't familiar with DS9 at the time (I spent the summer binging the whole thing: loving phenomenal). I really like the first 4 episodes of Picard S3 before you find out the villain is a pseudo-Changeling. Everything after that run is garbage. Also the Fascist Picard episode of S2 is a pretty good laugh if you don't take it too seriously and pretend it's just a goofy one-off or something.
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There's actually a bunch they can still do with the Gamma Quadrant, the Dominion, and the Changelings. At some point, the Female Changeling is going to finish her sentence on a penal colony and she'll be returned to the Great Link. René Auberjonois might be dead, but the thing with Odo and the Changelings is that Odo doesn't have to continue to exist, or at least not as he was prior to his return home. There is only the Great Link and it can pour out enough goo to create a new Changeling that is a synthesis of the Link and Odo's experiences and beliefs, better, faster, stronger, etc. The Dominion itself is going to be seeing serious upheaval and that is going to have a cascading effect across the entire quadrant. There are surely loads of civilizations who either had been fleeing from the Dominion or wanted to escape it that would love to either join the Federation or ask for its protection. The Jem'hadar and the Vorta have some serious existential questions to ask themselves, though there are genetic limits to that that also need to be addressed, and I'm sure your Doctors Bashir would love to get to work on DNA sequencing and gene therapy. Hell, they could probably get Brent Spiner to play another clone of himself to join in on that if they wanted to more explicitly link it to the aesthetics of modern Trek. Of course none of this will happen because the people running the franchise have no interest in actually learning the drat lore in a meaningful way and then treating it with an ounce of respect.
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