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Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I think the greens are going to have to prove they're more than just "green" and push their environmental stuff into proper left leaning political action in every way. They have decent ideas about housing, etc. but they have to show they're making an impact at the immediate national level as well as the global environmental level.

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Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

kustomkarkommando posted:

The UBI section in their manifesto, arguably a defining policy here considering no one else is pushing it, is like a single paragraph with no numbers and a vague commitment - read like a serious own goal

I haven't read the manifestos but something I've noticed about the literature sent to me is the Greens, Labour, Soc Dems all set out their intentions, their desires, their personal motivations. Sinn Fein are very "We will do X" and it's striking me as A.) naive or B.) untruthful. They're taking strong positions, probably as set out with their initial plan for seats, and haven't faced up to the fact that all their "wills" might not matter (and their thinking was it wouldn't matter because they would be in opposition.) Either they've smartly limited their seat possibilities in this election so they can continue building for the next few years and launch a majority party plan, or they've been caught unaware that they might have to act an election cycle before they intended to.

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V. Illych L. posted:

i know nothing of the irish greens, but green parties in most of europe are basically urban middle-class educated types with socially liberal attitudes and no fundamental aversion to state action but also no particular commitment to any vision of society - so the seize a lot of less-engaged left-leaning types as well as devouring any old social liberal parties. UBI is a policy which is easy to put out there and hard to properly justify, because it seems to fit well in theory but which needs some hard choices in practice about what to cut or how to restructure society so as to afford it. either of these choices means clarifying some assumptions about how society actually works which really need to be kept fuzzy in order to keep their voting coalition together


I think that's what they are here, but there's a big split between their young members and the "elders" with the younger members dragging them properly to the left. I'm not familiar with European national politics apart from the UK, but with the coalitions we end up in I feel we always end up with "centrists" (or populists/neo-libs) and the smaller parties need to be more forceful and targeted in what left policies they drag the senior coalition party to. Unfortunately the Irish population tends to blame the smaller coalition party for everything while forgetting what the party who actually dominated did.

Mrenda fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Feb 4, 2020

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
Now the big test of SF's policies comes into play. We're a country reliant on FDI, using tax as sweetener to prop up large office spaces, while having certain industries that are indigenous (food, agriculture, traditionally bio-chem/medicines) How do they arrange their plans to rebalance the economy towards supporting the lesser off while maintaining the global basis of our economy, and keep plans around for what happens if there's a global turndown. If SF were less euroskeptic I could see them approaching the EU to help tilt things towards a broader corporate tax base (the big Irish gamble) but they've always been hesitant about the EU.

I can see them holding off in opposition for another election when they'll run more candidates, and that will mean not seriously engaging with the smaller left parties to create a government. I think that was always their plan and they were caught on the bounce with this election. I'd have no faith in them if they do this. Now's the chance to grab the bull by the horns.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
The government are ballsing things up because I'm going to the pub.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I'd say with extra powers for the Guards they're worried about ending up toothless. If they don't get the balance of the legislation bang on, someone will bring a constitutional challenge, it'll be delayed or struck down, and every nutbag in the country would run wild.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

crispix posted:

At my prod school they called spraying on deoderant in lieu of having a shower after PE a fenian shower :cripes:

That wonderful teenage scent, Lynx Papist.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

happyhippy posted:

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1022/1173326-mother-baby-home/

Absolute scum.
Can't be having bad PR for the church now lads, best to lock it away until all those who did this are dead.

I'm not up to date with this, but isn't this type of thing standard in these cases/investigations? To secure the involvement of everyone they offer guarantees about the information not being released until after everyone is dead or X years after it's completed.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

happyhippy posted:

It's pretty standard, meant to protect national security, informants, etc. I am sure its wholly dependent on the situation.
Not for people who put 800 dead babies in a septic tank in the name of Jesus.

I agree, but if they said they'd seal it to get people, including innocent people's and victims' testimony they can hardly turn around and say, "Well, we're actually releasing what we told you we'd keep private." I think what was done to those people should be made public, but if, from the start, they secured involvement from people by saying it wouldn't be released for X number of years how can they do anything else?

(And I don't know if this is the case; I'm genuinely asking what the reasoning is for the decision, and the counter-arguments, because RTE and the likes are doing their now-usual stuff of detailing politicians making meaningless remarks rather than anything actually in-depth, or any analysis. I haven't been following the ins and outs, and I haven't found an article that's detailed anything in (my admittedly limited) searches.)

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

EmmyOk posted:

[twitter link]

Thanks for that. It seems the problem is whose the information actually is. It looks like it'll need clarification from the courts before a government takes a liberal view on it.

Edit: And by "a liberal view" on GDPR openness/restrictions is because if the official stance is to widen the access in this case, it must be the same policy in all cases, and the implications for that in all official state scenarios, let alone other areas, is huge.

Mrenda fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Oct 23, 2020

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Southpaugh posted:

There is a specific, singular reason for these records to be sealed. To protect the church and related individuals from any and all repercussions. Its got absolutely gently caress all to do with any data protection legislation. It's an overt cover up. It's not that complicated.

I think it's broader than that. I think they're realising/know if they open this up, and set standards of "openness" it would have far reaching effects for any other case of wrongdoing, or even perceived wrongdoing. If they open this up it opens the "protections" they currently have, and they couldn't hide behind them elsewhere.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
There's a fundamental problem with this, something that's at stake in all matters, if I give an opinion on you, is that your information or my information?

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I know it's very, "I hate all people equally," but I think it's actually true with the guards. They have a pervasive level of, "Everyone I deal with is a poo poo who I'm going to gently caress up if they don't respect me," versus a particularly targeted, "This specific group of people are shits who I go out of my way to gently caress up."

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Fun thing, even if you do hate all people equally, you can still know who you can get away with ignoring and abusing!

Oh yeah, absolutely. They'll know who they can get away with treating worse, but their view is very much "guards first."

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

EmmyOk posted:

@Blut

Can I ask if you think the Gardai would remain as non-violent if it was an armed force?

That's like asking would a sober alcoholic stay as sober if you gave them infinite booze.

Normalise guns pretty much anywhere and there'll be an increase in gun violence. The choice to keep away from guns isn't something that should be downplayed.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Arquinsiel posted:

Is there a formal difference between "Unionism" and "Loyalism"? I could start guessing but since this is the first time I've noticed this usage difference I don't feel confident about getting it right.

The "Formal" difference is Unionists would say they believe in the United Kingdom, and so are firm believers in the Act of Union. Loyalism is loyal to The Crown (at least that's how it was always explained to me.) The actual difference is Unionism will generally point in a particular direction and Loyalists will be the ones throwing stones (and more) in that direction. Then there's a lot in between with people basing their definition on family history and personal ties, along with class issues and all the associated problems, but when it comes up in terms of riots it's Loyalists who'd be "on the streets" while Unionists would still be tying up swings for Sunday service.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
Town is shite without ate'in' or drinkin'. I think a lot of people are starting to realise that now, and people in power (including people running the shops and retails) are realising it too. City planners have been talking about "modern" cities, where people who live nearby can enjoy themselves and actually "live," for a while. A few—definitely Cork—Irish cities have been planning long term on that basis. But all this (lockdown/covid) is exposing the fact that if you can't pop into a place that's a haven from the poo poo outside, if you can't go for a meal in a place that's busy but busy in its own way, not busy with cars driving past and people gawking at you, town is actually poo poo.

Sure, there's Penney's, but they only rotate their stock so often, and they don't make them in my size. Yes, there's TK Maxx, but much like Irish modernism you can only expose yourself to that level of disorder every so often, and there's only so much they have. And, from a personal perspective, I can't go into town just to go to the tea shop as my commercial outlet that justifies the city. Town is poo poo, because it's pure commercialism and a lot of pandering on the basis of commercialism; now, with what's happening, these places can't do their tricks to win over those not entirely convinced by commercialism/consumerism. (I don't count (at least not the honest kind of) ate'in' and drinkin' as consumerism. Ate'in' and drinkin' are culture and heritage.)

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Shoehead posted:

Danny Healy-Rae is also, again, deciding that rules don't apply to his pub SPECIFICALLY

I was away for the weekend. Now, the pubs did have some decent outdoor space, but they just didn't open their indoor space. Everyone had to be outside. They only opened the indoor space for an hour or two when it was raining, and then they were properly checking all vaccination certs before they let anyone in. The only exception I saw to this was a guy with a walking stick who looked to be approaching 90 and what looked like a carer or daughter in her 60s that they let in, just the two of them, when they weren't letting anyone else in.

There were queues to get to the outdoor space (well managed.) The tables were socially distanced. Masks to get inside the pub. Every table had to scan or sign in with their details. And this is a very popular holiday spot.

Someone said to me these kinds of pubs, that rely on tourists in the summer, and locals in the winter, might not actually want to change back to the mayhem it was before lockdown. There's no messing, everything is managed, there's no real queues for drinks, people aren't taking the piss standing around, taking up space, and not buying anything. The staff are having an easier time of it, let alone the owners. They're probably down a little on revenue but I wouldn't say by a huge amount, and the upsides of everything being orderly and there being no hassle (not fighting, just everything being a crowded mess) is a big one. It might be a new way of running a pub in some of these places. And for me, personally, I was well looked after. I'd often rock up on my own to have a few pints and clear my head and they had no problem with me taking up a table to drink, when lots of city places wouldn't even let you in.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

happyhippy posted:

Though there is a rabid anti-vaxxer in the town, who often tried to rip off the masks of other people as he was passing in the street.
He lives with his sister, sister then got covid so bad she was in ICU for a short time, he kept claiming she was faking it, and he was banned from most shops for not wearing a mask after.
He went on a one man rampage one night, and was politely 'told' to stop it with a light kicking.

This is the Ireland I love.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Failed Imagineer posted:

Agreed, would love to give a an anti-masker a heroic shlap. Although tbh if some headtheball whipped the mask off me in the street I'd probably be too dumbfounded to react

The important point is that you whip up a posse of the second team football players, not just go off cock-handed.

Supposedly there was a priest that used to do that for domestic abusers around here, decades ago. He couldn't advocate divorce but he could advocate twelve 22 year olds telling a fucker to bollocks off or cop himself on or the slaps he'd be getting would be worse again.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
Merry Christmas Irish goons. Remember, if you're on a yearly schedule get your annual bath in before New Years.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
€40 for a slab. It's loving mad.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
Edit: gently caress it

Mrenda fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jan 18, 2022

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

PowerBeard posted:

Bunch of heathens here, maybe try pray to GOD and He'll make you better at languages! We need more Religion classes and less of that CSPE nonsense!

CSPE was almost inevitably taught by the god bothering religion teacher in my school, exactly because they were useless god botherers who only got a degree in bullshit because they wanted to teach Catholicism but even the Catholic church wouldn't have them because they were the most ignorant fuckers going.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Quantum of Phallus posted:

What are you all doing with your new-found freedoms today? I might go to a restaurant and stay until 8:30 :smug:

I went to a café. There were a bunch of teenagers wearing all black with greasy hair and greasy faces taking up all the big tables, obviously sitting around for hours, conversation exhausted and ordering nothing, with the owner of the place not caring about it a bit. It reminded me that no matter what situation you find yourself, no matter our troubles, there'll always be a small bit of normality somewhere.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Quantum of Phallus posted:

My GF voted Green last time even after I told her exactly what was gonna happen with them and now she has massive regrets and says she’ll never vote for them again. lol

The Greens would have been fine if they actually tried to bring on some of their younger members. A lot of them were very idealistic but they were really sound and with the right intentions when it came to social issues, poverty, housing, etc. They just needed a few of the older, been-around-a-while people to get them up to speed on what's achievable and how to achieve it. Instead the absolute eejits just doubled down on "We will sell our souls for bike lanes!" while ignoring the vibrant element of their party and the actual hope I had for them all left.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

happyhippy posted:

Yeah, same. Its loving weird.
The SF back home are drug dealing self serving clowns.
Part of me is suspicious of SF overall, they are just pretending to care.

I'd take PBP/Socialist Party before I'd take FF and FG, and I'd take FF and FG before I'd take SF (obviously SocDems, Greens, Labour in between. Aontu can get hosed.) Opposite sides of the political spectrum, sure, but they have principles and above ground ideology, one that's obvious to see, and reported, on all levels.

SF, to me, don't seem to have any cohesive identity other than objection-ism, power and giving respect to the absolute worst people I've ever met. I suppose they have nationalism as well, but everyone here has that (that might be a surprise to our English posters.) And all of that as a party is very dangerous.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Marenghi posted:

I've not been on r/ireland in a while but when did it turn into stormfront. Some article was posted about refugees complaining about the double standards applied to Ukranians, and the thread consensus is 'of course it's only natural we extend assistance to people who share our white-European, Christian, liberal democratic values.'

I don't think "it's only natural" but it is understandable in the sense that if your cultural and ethnic neighbours experience something it's easier to identify with their suffering.

There's a reason people have been campaigning for more representation of all cultures in the media, and it's exactly this. Any view that's narrow only reinforces close ties and doesn't expand them out to include the diversity of humanity. This is especially an issue for Ireland for the past thirty years where we've gone from being a broke backwater to a country with some amount of wealth and power, and with people living here from a broad cross-section of humanity.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Arquinsiel posted:

The thing is that for all their cries of being the silent majority and also being wildly outnumbered, they're one of the few little hatemobs that actually realise that they are, in fact, wildly outnumbered. For all that "the other side" is also pretty small, the vast majority of randos see TERF posting and quickly realise that they're just repackaging fascist ideas, often with help from actual fascists.

Nah, there's a strong cohort of very "Man in the Pub" getting angry about language being invented and "A MAN IS A MAN ACCORDING TO BIOLOGY!" that strangely never happen to pop up when I'm in the pub, rather there's a much stronger cohort of, "Who gives a gently caress?" and "Would ye be bothered?"

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
Bonanza budget. A lot of handing out money. Very little being targeted towards new initiatives from a government scale. It seems like they're putting the money in people's hands while letting the hospitals, transport, infrastructure, including civil service infrastructure, etc. make do on what was allocated to them in the past.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

gonadic io posted:

Oh yeah what's the deal with people leaving N plates on for years and years. Just cba to take them off? There's absolutely no way all these people or their kids are actually freshly passed

I would imagine some are families with a string of kids coming through the teens. They're all being taught to drive and they get to share, "Mammy's car," as they learn. I wouldn't be surprised if an RTÉ2 "comedy" program dealt with it at some point. Of course once they learn to drive they're hosed off into their own world where they can neither afford the car nor the insurance. So their piss-stain of a little brother drives them around with them on the full license and the younger fella "getting experience"/annoying the hole off the older one.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
Whatever you name your child they're all goind to poo poo and piss themselves

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

PowerBeard posted:

I think you'll find that my children NoPiss and NoShit are well behaved and barely in pain...

For sale, baby nappies. Never shidded.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I do get there'd be some pressure, social appeal to playing with gender norms. When I was fifteen it seemed like half my friend group were bisexual. Some, of course, really were. However six months later the vast majority were all, "Nah, I'm definitely straight." Some of the lads had kissed a boy, and some of the girls had kissed a girl. Big deal.

I'm sure there's teens now, hearing about the ideas of playing with gender norms, who might think, "Yeah, I could be trans." The play around with makeup, or wearing mens jeans and jumpers or whatever for a few months and then they decide, "Nah, I'm definitely cis." Because, you know, that's what's supposed to happen. Teens are meant to have these types of ideas, they're growing and developing. Even in an ideal situation of a GPs letter getting to a gender clinic within a few weeks and an offer to meet someone from there within a few months the teen will have moved on. Never mind, of course, that the vast majority of trans people will have some issues surrounding gender for a lot longer than a few months of playing around with mascara.

And it's part of talking to anyone for getting access to trans stuff for the person to consider their interaction with gender. That more cis people are considering gender is a good thing.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
What I find interesting is it says they'll be put in XYZ prison "if they're found to have broken the law." Which means if a trans person is on remand for something the old system is in place. This is probably because if a trans person was locked up, put in the wrong prison, and subsequently found innocent they'd have a case against the state for not respecting their rights. Whereas if you're found guilty of something and been given a custodial there's a default assumption that you lose some of your rights. It's basically an admittal that trans people's personhood is only respected so far, and that doesn't include in the case they commit a crime. Trans people's rights aren't rrights, they're conditional.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
Dealz crisp section had Bacon (and Scampi Fries) go from €1.50 to €2 to €2.50. Sign of the times. And I saw the same six pack of bacon fries for over three quid in Supervalu.

That being said, Dealz isn't a little secret any more. Anyone I've been talking to has been on about them for years. Some for just the one year, others for three years, other for six years plus. No wonder they're pivoting towards clothes. Far bigger mark up.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
The other part of it is that word gets out very quickly who the good (relatively) employers are. So they retain staff and snap up anyone who's looking for a job. I know a bar that does food that has very little trouble getting staff because for years before finding staff was ever an issue they'd give shifts to the college students in the area and work around their school schedule/holidays/J1s. They'd do the same with mothers who's kids were growing up and were coming back to work. Even giving pretty much make-up work to staff who just needed a few quid. The customers were happy seeing the same faces, the staff were happy because they were treated well, and in turn the customers were happier again because the staff were pleasant given they weren't treated like crap. Now, with people leaving food/hospitality work they're known as good people to work for and don't really have an issue finding anyone.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
They should have pegged the Toy Show Musical against what the Billy Barry Kids usually draw.

Because I always hated those shits.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Failed Imagineer posted:

My wife pays the licence because she has an irrational fear of being deported. I don't like it but it's her money to waste so I just slag her about it every time RTE is poo poo (daily, forever)

They've got the gah, and Uefa football, they've been good for the world cup, they've got the RWC, they had the Dublin Horse Show, I think TG4 plays basketball and horse racing, RTÉ does horse racing as well. I guess if you want sports sometimes they're OK and other times you can see pillocks on at 3pm on an afternoon show, cooking and poo poo, and other times you can be ill-informed by a radio broadcast at 8am.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I'd put money on this being a party decision rather than a personal decision for Varadkar. Harris gets to go into an election he's not expected to win, without Leo's history. If they do get to form the government he'll be the big man. If they don't he'll get to have a proper go at people, something he showed signs of being very capable of while in health. And he didn't do the worst job in health, i.e. he came out of that department intact as a politician, a real trial by fire.

Varadkar's "one of the girls" (which is weird as gently caress, Love Actually? oh those days ago. One of the very strange extremely posh sounding girls who shop in BTs) wouldn't fly with the severity of issues being hyped up for this election. It's no longer "Let's get the good times rolling again." Harris is far more serious as a politician, and I feel more capable than Varadkar. Of course Paschal and Coveney get to keep their powder dry for five years from now, and an actual contest.

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Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
Varadkar always struck me as a fella who tried a pint when he was 15 and didn't like it and never tried it again despite the entire country drinking pints. Just horrifically out of touch and in need of spending time among people.

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