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A Buttery Pastry posted:The scars of imperialism do not simply heal by themselves, they reverberate through time and lock people in the present into destines decided before they were born. Former imperial powers must make amends and do what they can to right past wrongs, not defend them with the argument that those crimes are in the past. i have bad news for you about Spain and what it was up to in this time period. Gibraltar was not, at any point, some defenceless far off land full of primitive natives that was conquered by freebooting English pirates. And at some points, yes, the past is in fact in the past. Are you proposing kicking all the Normans out and reestablishing the Heptarchy? And then kicking all of them out and giving all of England back to the Welsh? And what of the Beaker People, where are their rights? Also yeah I'm gonna need some cites on the whole 'Gibraltan genocide'. Edit: 5 - they were Famous and did detectiving including probably of evil foreign Spanish people feedmegin fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The current inhabitants of England are descendants of invaders, true, but they're also descendants of the natives whose rights you're sarcastically invoking. So a) um imperialism is ok as long as you interbreed with the people you're colonising? Because, y'know, that's actually kind of standard. and b) this didn't also happen in Gibraltar?
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Trickjaw posted:Go for it full on. 50s frock, stilettos, and smoking a fag. No one will forget the usherette fudge. Having met Camrath (he basically looks like a Viking), I love this idea.
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Camrath posted:Incidentally we should do drinks again. That was a very pleasant saturday afternoon Watch This Space. Still getting through the last stages of my move (ASK me about lovely letting agents and cleaning agencies) but I'm also still plotting the UKMT East London Dungeons and Marxism game 
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Bundy posted:They're normally around the 300 notes mark I like how this is still a phrase despite the pound note ceasing to be a thing when I was sitting the entrance exam for secondary school & half the thread wasn't born yet  Edit: 30 year olds post date the pound note now.
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Feb 8, 2020 16:33
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ronya posted:Corbyn might have managed to steer ScotLab back to relevance Im not sure an English bloke from North Islington doing that would be a good look tbh. Scottish Labour kind of has to fix itself but this is a bit of a tricky chicken and egg problem...
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ronya posted:Glasgow is pretty darned Remainy, and the swing away from 2017 gains is noticeable I dont see what that has to do with my statement. Scottish Labour cannot be revivified by fiat from the UK leader's office in London. Scottish Labour has to have a Scottish leader and Scottish members who can appeal to Scots, because it is a political party operating in Scotland where the voters are Scottish. The whole 'branch office' thing gets trotted out enough as it is. Edit: unless you mean UK Labour going hard remain right from the get go? Given that the SNP were already hard remain, I'm just not convinced that would suddenly produce a bunch of Scottish Labour seats. There are deeper problems than Brexit there and they long predate 2016. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Feb 8, 2020 |
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Guavanaut posted:I wonder if we'll ever find out what convinced BXP to only run as wreckers. A knighthood for Farage in six months or so.
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Random thought - recent bastions of leftism Ireland, Spain and Portugal. All neutral during WW2. Did they just skip the Baby Boom that's loving over everyone else?
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OwlFancier posted:
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Feb 9, 2020 22:51
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Saith posted:Coleslaw goes in a baked potato or it goes in the bin It's nice on a hotdog
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Feb 9, 2020 23:29
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Yes, tell me about it! I can't go to AMM (GC) CLP meetings anymore - about 15 miles away - because there is no public transport after 5-530pm. I might get one way if I want to sit around for an hour and a half waiting for meeting to start, but can't get back again. Various people who used to give me lifts either left the party because Corbyn or Anti-Semitism or have moved away. At least our branch meetings are walkable for me as I live in town, but for the members living in the countryside, it's very difficult - driving round unlit country roads with maniac 17-20 year old young lads tearing up the roads with not a single care for any other road users - let alone older peoples' eyes not being that great at night driving. This was me in my rural Cambridgeshire CLP too. Meetings were held in random villages and it would always be like a 2 hour trip each way by public transport. Branch where I lived was dead too. Barking should be easier in that regard but OTOH our MP....
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Feb 10, 2020 22:10
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Saith posted:You guys should legit start using the word Cymry instead of Welsh tho when referring to a Welsh person ...much like we call French people francais or Germans deutsch? Oh wait, no, we dont do that.
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Feb 11, 2020 15:02
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ronya posted:I suspect the polls of members understate RLB's position - a month is a long time to cut into post-defeat gloom to persuade folks to pull a lever This isnt America
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Feb 12, 2020 18:20
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:It's catch 22 - if you can't reach the higher paying jobs in cities by public transport to save deposits and so forth, you can't afford to move to said cities to get the better paid jobs in the better infrastructure. I worked in a local pub for a few months after I moved into this town (mother's in her 80s, I kinda have to be here) and every single person working in that pub had degrees. What none of them had was wealthy parents who could (a) afford to pay for them to have driving lessons (b) afford to buy them a car This is an interesting point. What proportion of the actual working class do have to 'worry about keeping the car on the road' according to that quote? Because quite a lot of (older) people might consider themselves 'working class' while owning their own house, owning a car and having a quite comfortable pension. They're in a very different position from the person getting a bus into work to their zero hours job as a cleaner every day whatever they identify as.
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Feb 12, 2020 18:33
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Was Albania part of a sovereign kingdom with Serbia in 1985? Well known sovereign Kingdom the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (no Albanias allowed) even  Home Office employee spotted?
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Feb 13, 2020 13:17
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Chucat posted:Yeah that's literally what I was thinking of. I legitimately have no idea what their conversion (lol) rate is, but I'm sure it's not high. Go read George Orwell's bit on the Sally Army...
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Feb 13, 2020 13:19
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radmonger posted:The problem with this ubiquitous argument is that in order for it to be meaningfully true it would need to be the case that the entire history of the black US experience never saw anyone threaten or perpetrate any violence until such time as MLK came along. At which point it entirely coincidentally both started and was highly successful with minimal casualties. Yes. It will show that in general (exception: hi Haiti!) they were actually quite rare and generally swiftly crushed. Turns out that with sufficiently brutal and effective oppression, violence is not the normal reaction because even oppressed people still want to remain alive. Like, plenty of violence was threatened and perpetrated, sure. Mostly not by black people, though.
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radmonger posted:To be clear, we are agreeing, right? The default reaction to oppression is to try violence _and have it fail_. Every so often you get a Toussaint (or a Trotsky) on your side and win, but even that helps less than you would think.The circumstances that enabled the oppression probably haven’t worked themselves out while you were playing at soldiers. No, the default reaction is not to try violence in the first place because you know it will fail, which is a different statement. For it to succeed, it does in fact need to be organised, which is directly opposite to what you assert. As you say, succeeding may or may not end up being an improvement...but there's a reason eg why modern France is a democracy and not ruled by an absolutist Bourbon monarchy, and it's not because the people of France in 1789 staged sit ins and signed petitions.
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Ratjaculation posted:It's going to be an interesting election in May Dont know what you're talking about mate, Ed is well on his way to a second term.
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So, I am plotting Diced Meaty Goons - that is to say, a UKMT-and-friends Dungeons and Dragons game run by me in East London. I think from conversations at goonmeets etc we should be able to source enough players (4-6 or so, ideally) to make it work. Synopsis: D&D 5th edition, since it makes a good common denominator. I've run 4th and 3.5 edition games before but not DMed or played 5th yet, so it will be a learning experience for us all Custom setting - I'm thinking a cross between the Spire (check the FATAL thread in Trad Games for a synopsis) and Carnival Row from the televisions. So, a more 18th/19th century sort of feel; set in a large city; guns are a thing but still fairly rare; magical subway cars exist, so do trains, that sort of thing. The city is a capitalist, imperialist state run by humans, other races's lands are colonised and its inhabitants in the city are Oppressed Masses forced to live in a ghetto. Players can be Oppressed Masses (human or otherwise) or sympathisers farther up in the social hierarchy. This is the UKMT so I would expect players would generally want to try to overthrow this system, foment revolution, etc etc. Likely venue is this gaming-friendly pub/bar, where we had my last goonmeat, or possibly some sessions at my house which is a few minutes' walk east of Barking station (in which event there will be snacks). Thinking maybe every couple of weeks to start with, for say 3-4 hours; open to either a weekend or a weekday evening depending on who is free when. Anyway, PM me or post itt if interested!
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Camrath posted:Very much interested, assuming I can make the dates Literally depends on when people are free.  I dont want to run a Monday game because generally all I want to do on a Monday evening after work is come home and slump on the couch with a glass of wine, but other than that I'm pretty open. I guess I'll float a trial balloon of say 2pm on Sunday, but I don't really have any other commitments (yet) so really it's whatever will work best for whoever wants to play.
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Camrath posted:Every week? Still that time does actually work for me Every other week, at least to start with - I'm starting a new job so I want to make sure I don't over commit.
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thespaceinvader posted:I can;'t do even a bi-weekly game in London, shame, I'd love to play a Paladin of the Common Man in a UKMT game lol Knowing where you live, my place is a straight shot from Paddington on the Hammersmith and City line  But yeah it is a bit of a hike, having made that trip myself in the past.
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Mate I've known I was a nerd since I was about 12 years old (and, as it happens, running a Dragonlance game on my lunchbreak at school)
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Oh, I've been the flaky player myself in the past; I'm not expecting everyone to turn up every time. That's fine as long as there's still enough people to run the game, your character will just be off in the background doing a Seaside Loafer after having had a bad rat on a stick or whatever while everyone else fights for their lives.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If you're happy to accommodate a newb whose D&D experience consists of using cheats in Skyrim so I can walk around in a loincloth incinerating dragons with one hand I'd be up for this. Yep, that's absolutely fine. We're at 4 people now, so that's definitely enough for a viable game (space for a couple more people if anyone does want in though). I guess the 21st century approach to this stuff is a Whatsapp group? I'll PM everyone my number just so everyone has it, anyway.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Why is all of the cool stuff always in London Critical mass of people (and decent public transport infrastructure), unfortunately. I had like zero luck finding anyone to game with in Cambridge, at least without like a 90 minute trip each way by public transport; turns out that's because all the nerds are down here.
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crispix posted:Brick in a sock is more like what you want. Hang on you're from Norn Iron, I thought every other citizen had an Armalite 
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Jose posted:Anyway anyone who plays or has played dnd and enjoyed it should read the manga dungeon meshi which is very much based on it. The theme is that nobody can beat the dungeon because they run out of supplies so the main cast just eat the monsters they kill on the way down Can confirm you will be able to eat the rich in my game
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Josef bugman posted:Thanks Camrath. I have a load of books if people want me to bring them along to choose characters/ ideas from! Please do! I am open to making Marx or an analogue a deity in the setting if need be, though I suspect he might roll in his grave...
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big scary monsters posted:There are plenty other difficulties with moving abroad, but I think people overestimate the language barrier. Basically any large city in Central or Northern Europe is going to be completely fine to live in speaking only English. Having done this in Oslo...sooort of. Yes anyone will understand you if you speak English so the supermarket is no problem. But if you're down the pub socialising for instance everyone is speaking Norwegian so you can't join the conversation. It becomes isolating.
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ThomasPaine posted:The ruling classes are very well versed in a particular kind of imperial humanities that's been hilariously outdated amongst actual scholars for at least half a century, but which still has the occasional adherent at Oxbridge etc because of course. You get precious few PPE grads from the -bridge part of Oxbridge either, because only Oxford do it.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:As a STEM PhD, I'd like to know why such an emphasis is being put on that when unless you go into academia or high finance, there are very few jobs, research funding is being cut to the bone and with Brexit we're going to be losing a lot of European project cash too. In practice 'STEM' usually means programmers. Because not everybody can do it and thus businesses find us annoyingly highly paid thanks to supply and demand.
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forkboy84 posted:I'm not saying you definitely went to Cambridge, but in my experience it is often Cambridge grads who are very keen on making this point. Actually I went to Oxford. I read History, though.
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Ash Crimson posted:aye but terfs are a nationwide issue, not so much specific to anyone region 'Brexit supporters are a nationwide issue, not so much specific to anyone region'.
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qhat posted:Yes the way I understand it is they pay tax on worldwide income regardless whether they live in the USA or not. The flip side is they can claim it back as a tax credit if they already paid an equal amount or more tax to the country they live in, but they cannot pay less than the amount the feds demand they pay. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. There's an income floor below which you don't actually pay US tax, currently about $90k, but you're still supposed to file your tax return. This poo poo is why I never took out US citizenship. I don't believe Canada does this, it's like the US and Eritrea or something worldwide.
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marktheando posted:I appreciate you being more nuanced on the topic of independence coolcab. The thing with the SNP splitting is, well you say so yourself it's a big tent. I can't see why young left wing activists and tartan tories would be in the same party any more without independence as a shared goal. Because it's the party that currently has hegemonic power in Scotland and doing a Scottish version of the CUKTIG thing isn't going to get their goals achieved? I mean, people talk about the inevitability of the SNP splitting, but that doesn't make so. A number of countries have or have had free and fair elections and yet are basically one-party states where all the actual useful politicking at a national level happens within the party. Consider the ANC in South Africa, for example, which has ruled the country ever since it voted Yes in 1994.
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