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Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Geomancing posted:

If you're not interested in squeezing every last fraction of a percentage of damage out of a team composition, or going for that fraction of a second quicker completion time in the Spiral Abyss, do you have to worry about any of this stuff? I'm basically just playing for exploration, story, sidequests, that kind of thing.

100% do not worry.
All of this is basically to allow killing stuff like abyss floor 12 (starts at level 90) before you can reach 90 on your characters

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Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

matryx posted:

Hmm, I'm on PC (Europe region) and I've got no such event. Odd


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI/edit?ts=5f983afa#gid=100510092 This is pretty boss


VV Good to know. Thanks!

Careful that one is somewaht wrong. I know it's being updated soon with some more correct data

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Osmosisch posted:

What did surprise me is that apparently thundersoother is better for Keqing than thundering fury.

If you're only making 1 set for her and want iot to be all around good, 2 glad 2 tf also is a good "Never bad" set

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

MotU posted:

I have a XQ C6 at level one and a C2 lvl 80 Klee someone teach me how to KleeQ

Get XQ ult, practice the range, you want it so the swords reach the target before her bombs.

Then you do the Auto combo. You auto while holding forward, the timing is when her hand reaches the bottom right, then youll spam her first auto which is the highest DPS

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

I don't think so ,as that only affects world level. If you can do the level 80 domains your good

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

That isn't a region though, they are talking about each country with an archon

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Kild posted:

Huh? It's the electric archon area isn't it?

No that's the mountain just south of mondstadt.

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

No we aren't, this is an interlude as far as we can tell

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Nobless 2pc is run on keqing on high end abyss because you are rarely actually doing much autoing with her* your rotating Ult as much as possible

The other safe set is 2tf 2glad

Thundersoother is strong but abyss has so many naturally elemental enemies it's less reliable

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Mailer posted:

Yeah, stuff would be different if I had a 5* healer but oof. The solution is Chong and he's magical. Bonus points for owning Oceanid in the face.


I mean, probably, but if I pulled for him I'd probably be a bit miffed. Mechanics-wise, pulling Diluc and pulling ZL is massively different. The 5* supports we've seen have been best in class at their jobs. Ditto for the 5* carries. Jean is a bit of an outlier but she fits into every team so she's definitely a 5*. Childe, in the non-C6 sense, is not there. Zhong Li is also not there.

Diluc/Klee/Keqing are a terrible baseline to have, but Mihoyo created it, so there ya go.

Jean is really good specifically becauss she can feed venti more energy to ult exactly on cooldown

Zhongli is a powerful 5* the problem is his power is in his defence, which most content you don't necessarily need

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

RPATDO_LAMD posted:

Even without venti, Jean can use the super-busted Venerer set while also fitting in your team's healer slot, which lets you be a lot more flexible with team compositions. It means you can have a good healer and the venerer damage without having to sacrifice anything from your other 3 party slots.

e:
Does anyone have any tips on farming the max-level Domain of Guyun?
It gives you two fatui ice mages to fight but then it has a stage modifier that blasts you for 50% of your hp if you trigger melt, so you can't use the element that actually counters cryo shields.
The 'intended' solution is to slowly chip away at their shields with electro, and the domain even gives a bonus to superconduct procs or something, but it's so slow that way.

Yes but i'm just saying, she's not just good for flexibility. She's part of a very strong comp as it stands.

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

YoshiOfYellow posted:

Well I said I had no resources for Chongyun but I cruised him up to Level 60 with Rank 4 Talents relatively easily. Also made him a Prototype Aminus that's level 70. Hit the resin wall though. Need 1 drop from cryovine and a bunch of books to bump him up to 70 and have talent books to farm later.

Also cryovine dropped me a 5* Gladiator goblet and it had Anemo Damage on it. :negative:

You can save it, remember you have 1 free slot per character that (currently) cant be used for set bonuses (as they are all 2/4 except the resistance ones)

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Qwertycoatl posted:

You'd get by without doing it by not taking 6 weapons from 80-90. "Only take your carry to max level" applies to weapons too when you're not swimming in resources.

Yeah i'm taking 3 weapons to 90 (keqing, diluc, klee) everything else is gonna sit at 70, then 80, then levelling characters (Artifact farming before looking for perfect stats is done)

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

The weapon quest for the spear requires a prototype, so if expect all the new weapons except the event sword do

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Small tip: The compasses for treasure chests don't work in dragonspine, but they can point to chests in dragonspine if you're on the edge between territories. I ocasionally dip out during my current sweep to just take a check.

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Mailer posted:

Only managed to snag 44 red macguffins. I haven't done all the side quests and hopefully can get through a shitload more, since there's a weekly that requires five rounds of the thing you unlock at rank 8. Has anyone figured out the puzzle with all the stand-on tiles and the symbols on the wall? It looks like you can touch one matching set of icons but if you try to touch the other set it breaks the first.

You do all of one set then the other, Remember some tiles match up wierdly to the symbols

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

There are at least 70 Tree Feeding seed things in the mountain, I just got to rank 8 (you start at 1 I think) after scouring my way towards the top of the mountain

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Glazius posted:

There's like 12 levels on the frosty tree, I suspect EVENT SHENANIGANS will be responsible for some of them.

As for the new lawachurls, get them to magic pixel levels, engage MOST DODGE, wind up your killing blow as they're winding up to put the armor on.

You get a weekly set of quests for 5 at rank 8, I think they've merged rep/geoculus for this zone

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Currently the most anyone has found is 79 in the world afaik with 2 sets of quests so people like me are at 89

RareAcumen posted:

drat, I gave Bennet some pretty meh artifacts and set him up with a skyrider sword because he wasn't getting a ton of energy beforehand and brought him up to 40 and he's basically made my entire team self sufficient with that healing bonus. Dude's great, and also pretty dumb from his voice lines.

Won't be making him a DPS because god I cannot imagine investing 243 purple books to pull that off, but how should I set him up artifacts wise? I feel like the Burst lasts a lot shorter than it should be but I never had him so it's not like I was totally correct on that anyway.



If you just want him as an ult bot, you go with (for the 3 artifacts you can pick the stats of)

ER Timepiece
HP Cup
Healing % Mask.

You either go 4 nobless if he's always gonna be with a fire character (like on my team) or the 4* sets that have Energy regen 2 piece if you aren't, you want him to be rotating ult on CD

Stormgale fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Dec 26, 2020

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Skyward atlas is better on Klee (for a few reasons) but it's a solid Klee weapon and does give you a bit more leeway with starting artifacts

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

No Wave posted:

It's lol that the one you're "forced" to craft is the most useless craftable in the game - and it's useless in multiple ways (two spear users in the game none of which are great DPS, low base ATK which is bad for split dmg carries which Zhong and Xiangling are, competes directly with a much better weapon for a niche that doesn't even exist). I wouldn't feel that bad about feeling forced to craft a Starsilver because it's at least not bad on Xinyan and to a lesser extent Razor.

It's worse than animus tho

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

No Wave posted:

I think 34.5 physical dmg% is better than 27.6% atk on those two characters, especially Xinyan whose ascension stat is ATK%. Razor it's probably pretty close between the two given Aminus' better passive.

In the literal best case sim it's 3 percent better on razor (full cryo uptime, every icicle hits) but it loses to animus in almost every other for razor at least.

At a certain point weapon substats between the good ones matter a whole lot less due to the general ratioing between them

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

No Wave posted:

Do you have a link? I'm curious about the methodology.

Razor's a special case because he deals electro as well as physical and has a ton of phys% dmg from his ascension + phys goblets give a higher percent than normal dmg goblets would. So ATK ends up quite a bit better on him than most other units compared to their elemental stat. I don't think it's a question of substats becoming unimportant, it's a question of phys being very similar to atk in value for Razor. (especially as they're both 44 base ATK weapons)

https://www.reddit.com/r/RazorMains...tm_source=share

Recalculations have occured since I last looked but it's still marginal gains, especially as with razor you'll be hard pressed to get the cryo to stay for when it procs.

Xinyan I dunno.

Stormgale fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Dec 29, 2020

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

TV Zombie posted:

Finally able to beat Electro Hypos to ascend Fichl and am just wondering whether i should be ascending her upwards or whether i should ascend my other elecs as well. i have Beidou, Kequing and Lisa.

Depends on what you want, of those fischl is the best support but as main DPS it's

Keqing / c6 fischl > non c6 fischl /beidout

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Solkanar512 posted:

So how do we get the final refinement of Festering Fang? I only count three crystals from each of the three shops.

Third shop will have two to pick up.

For clarity: it's one slot but it's been show n as 2 purchases available in videos

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Vargs posted:

Finally starting the painful and disappointing process of farming Venti artifacts. Any opinions on EM vs Anemo% vs Atk% goblets?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18SqSQzSyfQP4X2NGcXkubQ9NzC0BdT1Jxt0I1TL_zGs/edit?usp=sharing

Here's a sheet running the numbers

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

No Wave posted:

Goddamn. This thing is awesome. That swirl damage jump between 70 and 90 is crazy.

Any of the damging reactions (rather than multiplying dmage) spike stupidly high post 70, it's why pyrokeqing is a thing if she's level 90

Also I would highly reccomend you check out kleefulframes:

https://twitter.com/KleefulF

He's not put out many videos yet but he's done a lot of work doign datasheets for weapon comparisons and frame counting (if you're into that)

Stormgale fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Dec 30, 2020

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

YEah, him, the work on keqing mains (which really is the main theory hub, not just for Keqing) and some of the compilations by Jinx and tuna (https://twitter.com/JinxTuna) are very good at looking deeper in.

If you don't want to push high abyss super early you really don't need to know any of this stuff, but it's fun to play around with and push the limits.

(even if they'd hate i'm a bennet C6 users)

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Hexel posted:

So the "reaction" is the initial status change from say wet, to electrified? And then the subsequent purple damage numbers can crit?

The reaction is th damage from the combination of statuses, so the red number for overload (electro fire) or the purple number from electro plus water. All her purple damage apart from that can crit

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Very interesting how levels help close the gap between a 5* weapon and a 4* weapon comparing Skyward and Stringless on venti. Would love to see other tables like this.

I think it's the high value of em for swirl damage at that level, plus the relative value of the passive Vs attack (I think the stringless needs to be r5 to win Vs R1 harp)

Here's the Klee one

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1JJZPMoNOqXhX8Ez1cl63fNXESJZXx7kQaJEeQ-WLOEY/htmlview

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Its not all about winning, theres a 6k damage gap between Skyward and stringless r0 at 60 at their top ends and only a 3.5k damage gap at 90, while doing about twice the damage than at 60.

I think thats chump change considering getting a stringless and leveling it is much easier than doing the same with a skyward.

That's fair, and I never said it was about winning?

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

No Wave posted:

That's not what base power is in that spreadsheet. I actually couldnt tell you what base power is because I have no idea, it's some kind of intermediate formula input, base atk over 1150 isnt even possible in the game atm.

https://twitter.com/KleefulF/status/1344296882605088770?s=19

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

The argument against shields is in high level abyss (the only content that really needs performance to be on the high end) the shields can maybe eat a hit. The real problem with Geo in that scenario is the fact they don't break a fatui shield which means your comp gets pressed even harder.

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

True but usually you're bringing anemo for venti (most broken unit in the game) Sucrose (pretty close) or jean (debuff cleanser/healer) and Any Anemo is gonna be bringing VV which isn't a small DPS boost

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

The flower should basically act like normal after you break the shield (if you don't 1 phase it it'll start doing roomwide aoes you use the bubbles to stop)

There were no bites on co op on eu at my world level so I just ground them all out solo.

Don't forget one of the challenges is to hit it with 10 scarlet agate boosted attacks on one fight

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Tsyni posted:

Elemental reactions like overloaded scale based on EM and Level only. Bennet 60 ascended has 60 less base attack than level 90, which he can pass on with his Q. You get some diminishing returns, but at a certain point you have your carry maxed and leveling everyone else makes some sense. If you're constantly rotating new people through then maybe not. It depends on your needs and goals. If Bennett is your favourite character then maxing him out in every way makes sense. When people talk about the 60/70 I always assume it's a baseline until your resources start to accumulate at higher ARs and you have some to spare.

Pretty much, my personal philosophy (I'm at AR52) is:

1) Make sure people you use are 60/70
2) Get People you use a +16 set they like with good main stats (good substats are good if you can pick but focus on the big ticket)
3) Shore up talents to 6/6
4) Start going past that, balancing levelling weapons (with your ore supply) and characters
4a) Prioritise carries, reaction causers (for overload/electrocharge/swirl) and people you want to spend talent materials on.
5) Once the above is safe, then i'll enter artifact substat RNG hellgrind

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Nakar posted:

That sounds about right. The substat hellgrind isn't really worth it since it's completely loving rigged but there's not much else to do I guess. I would suggest not bothering with getting anyone to 80/90 (at least outside maybe a primary carry) until AR55 just because you get 5* Gladiator/Wanderer every time at WL8 and if you're gonna have to farm world bosses dozens of times per ascension you may as well get a crack at decent artifacts for it.

This all seems good, I pushed a carry to 90 (diluc) also as a break, helped me get full stars on abyss this go round. The problem with waiting for 55 is i'm at 1/2 or 2/3 way through 52-53 and Character levels or high end talents are basically all I have left to dump resin on before artifact hellgrind. I'd suggest going at least to 70/80 to get those higher talents and maybe getting reaction supports to 80.

I will say you could theoretically get good returns out of running the soothers builds on carry's as an alternate set, Ido 2/2 glad and elemental on my klee / keqing but I could get better returns on some floors with soothers/walkers

Also nobless drops both the recharge sets I think as 4* so if your not running bennet with fire is a good dungeon

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Nakar posted:

I'm legitimately confused how anyone can play with Albedo for more than a few minutes and not notice that he gives really, really good shield coverage despite not having an actual shield skill, and then put together a video talking about Albedo using footage where that keeps happening and still not notice and mention it.

or you could use bennet, who lets you be even more aggressive and also provides powerful attack buffs. Or if we bring in 5* how jeans ult can do similar work but also she acts as a battery for Venti/sucrose, or qiqi lets you play even more aggressive. if the change about geo shields being more effective against all ements goes in I could see the benefit by crystalise does not do a lot of work at higher abyss vs more specialised healing/shielding (like Diona).

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

AshtonDragon posted:

Yup. I was able to get a time of 0:35 thanks to her absolutely demolishing it before it gets back up consistently, although admittedly that was on an account at world level 5. Even with really good artifacts, I don't know if that would be as easy at world level 7.

It can do some work at WL7, was as fast first try than my fastst diluc clear (who has 10 levels on her) (Admittedly im using C6 bennet so I can overload spam with her + fischl)

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Nakar posted:

At least most people reviewing him have commented on how cheap he is to build to a level of reasonable effectiveness, which is a big point in his favor for people who are still cultivating an account. His semi-universality is also nice; as KrushSG pointed out, if the meta shifts dramatically a support that's generically good in a broad sense is less likely to be affected by it in such a way that they fall entirely out of use. It's unlikely he'll ever end up super duper meta though, but who can say what'll happen once Abyss switches over?

See I think his rasonableness is the big problem. This game massively rewards going hard in on a specific strategy/setup, he's good and balanced but Would I use him over XQ for off field damage/DR? Would I use him over fischl for raw machine gun damage off field?

Maybe problem isn't the right word, but when his banner has 3 characters on 4* who do parts of his job better than him, it's hard to want him that badly.

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Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Nakar posted:

He really is the banner/event 5 star.

I didn't want him too badly (not like I wanted more Bennett constellations or Sucrose C6, anyway), but I've been quite pleased with his functionality since I happened to get him. I have a very strong Tartaglia also so that's certainly a factor in liking him due to his high attack rate and near-100% chance to proc the blossoms on cooldown, but I like him with Diluc as well.

Abyss requires two teams and it may be that later content will require something similar, party splits or even more than two parties. Would I use Albedo over Fischl for pure turret DPS? Probably not. But if Fischl is going in one party and I still would like a turret support for the other one, it's nice to have him. Is "excellent gap-filler" a role a 5 star unit should have? I think so, if they're pretty good at a lot of things and versatile enough to fit into a lot of parties. Jean is like that and Jean has probably been in more of my parties than any other character (not that Albedo is as good as Jean, of course, but he's got the same flexibility and "I can get value out of slotting him here" factor).

Ehh, sort of?

Like let's use my current floor 12 setup as an example:

Diluc bennet Chongyun Fischl

Klee xiangling Diona Venti

These 2 setups are basically build to run hard and fast with the floors mechanics (hence double pyro), I need a cryo for shield effects so thats why diona/chong take a spot, leaving me 1 spot each. Even if I didn't have venti, I'd probably run sucrose over albedo, even if I didn't have that, XQ could probably do a lot of work. he works as a good "Okay" fill in in a bunch of teams but with 4*'s with higher constellations being quite achievable for players, does a c0 albedo being 3rd/4th pick make sense as an investment?

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