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No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007


In addition to what others have said, the alternative is the 'I believe in nothing and won't do anything' guy. Johnson's managed to land on his feet with the vaccine program, which has ended up being the most significant government handout since the Blair years. What do Labour have to counter that tremendous success - repeating 'Tory Sleaze' a hundred times?

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No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

XMNN posted:

labour are also just going "well of course they're doing well because they did a fantastic job of the vaccine", rather than saying that they hosed every single other thing up, killed 150,000 people through malice and incompetence, and the only reason they bet so heavily on the vaccine is because they wanted to rely entirely on them rather than lockdowns and they would have turned us into India in the process

like how have they let bojos blood for the blood god moment slip from their grasp if they genuinely think his handling of the vaccine is responsible for the "bounce"

Either Starmer is an op or he genuinely thinks he shouldn't criticise the government because focus group Tory voters like Johnson, which would make him the most bewilderingly incompetent leader in the history of the office. Or maybe both!

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Failed Imagineer posted:

Posting this with the caveat that I know it's "Terrible person links to terrible article about terrible people"

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1388912978301440004?s=19

But loving hell that's dire

I dunno, playing out the game for maximum time isn't the only way to live your life, if you're genuinely aware of the consequences and decide you'd rather die younger indulging in all your vices that seems an understandable decision to me.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007


It extremely doesn't help that the default British way to cook a vegetable is to boil it and serve it with instant gravy. The brassica series of vegetables generally become massively better as soon as you stop that and start roasting or frying them with good seasonings, but overcooked boiled broccoli is scarred into most people's brains as what the vegetable tastes like

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

The only ethical diet is veganism, and the only tolerably ethical diet is vegetarianism

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

therattle posted:

This is true. I eat meat and fish but very occasionally. I shouldn’t but I just like it too much. Wife is vegetarian. Has been vegan on and off but cheese and yoghurt* are her nemesis.


*Tim’s Dairy yoghurt is amazing. Especially the raspberry.

Yeah for me it's 1) that eating enough protein on a purely vegan diet would be a nightmare and probably end up requiring downright unhealthy amounts of protein powder and 2) dairy is just insanely good in cooking and the day I make margarine shortbread or dairy free caramel will be a cold day in hell

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007


Starting to get a little concerned that nothing is growing on this land that I burnt down and salted

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Nothingtoseehere posted:

The ethical stuff was brought up by a vegan first. I'm not gonna quiz why someone picks their own food choices, but if they are going to state their option is the only ethical one...

I'm not a vegan and was joking about how punishing being one would be you dope

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Jose posted:

the uk needs a Terror

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007


Just wait until you hear about the coconut slave monkeys!

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Communist Thoughts posted:

By the time I've eaten all the world's fish they will hopefully have invented a good veggie sausage

I don't get how the burgers have got so good but the sausages are still so blah

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

As we're still on the subject...

multijoe's BiS meat-free meat guide:

Burger - Naked Glory quarter pounders. Very meaty texture, great smoky BBQ taste and half the price of a Beyond burger, both a great substitute and fairly affordable!

Sausage - Richmond meat free sausages or Quorn best of british. There are no great options in this category but these are both passable if you just have to make sausage and mash or something.

Chicken pieces - The Vegan Butcher's What The Cluck. Fantastic meaty texture and cooks well in sauces without disintergrating, a little salty and plain own its own but nearly indistinguishable as a chicken replacement in a spicy meal, have served numerous times to carnivores who couldn't tell the difference.

Mince - Vivera mince. Much the same as the What The Cluck chicken, a little plain but absolutely nails the texture and holds in consistency under prolonged cooking. Use in spicy meals that wouldn't normally be carried by the taste of the meat.

Bacon - This isn't Bacon. Surprisingly good, it doesn't quite nail the sweet-saltiness of real bacon but it's not a bad aproximation and has a good meaty bite to it.

Meatballs - Vegan Butcher's Unbelievaballs. Feel a little over-processed compared to fresh mince meatballs and not quite in the 'can barely tell the difference' category of the mince and chicken, but still pretty good overall.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Plucky little UKMT standing against the D&D mod horde

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Getting really into voter apathy this year :)

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Tsietisin posted:

So it's election Day and I am honestly having a dilemma about my vote.

How hairy should I draw the balls and should I add three drops of spunk or four?

Please respect your local government workers, their lives are hard enough already

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Because she's female and BAME you could rely on centrists overlooking the palestine stuff for the girlboss / 'oh poo poo am i being racist if i criticise her' angle long enough for the real people to notice that the things she's saying are actually very good. Then you have a 'despite what the papers are saying' base again.


I think you are giving Labour centrists far, far too much credit here. The US Dems might pay lip service to intersectionality, but ours loving love the racism button and being pro-Palestinian would give them every reason to push it

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

TulliusCicero posted:

Is there any way they would bring back Corbyn or one of his proteges? Or is that entire wing tainted by "antisemetism" from the Murdoch owned rags?

The Labour Right would prefer the party be erased from existence than allow a left winger to lead again. Even if the membership did somehow make it happen we'd be straight back in the position of having a fifth column who control the internal bureaucracy deliberately trying to lose

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007


Straight up worse than the Tories on instituional sexism, christ lol

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007


It's incredible how this man seems to be the pure essence of an insincere, incompetent middle manager. People were joking yesterday about it being spun as as a positive move to a front of house position and that's literally what he's done

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007


More absolutely impeccable media management from the Grown Up Opposition

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Failed Imagineer posted:

"Me bad want votes now, me sick".

Mandelson: "oooh he card read good"

IT'S KIETH STUPID

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

namesake posted:

Rumours of Lansman being willing to back Rayner for a leadership bid.

Utterly awful idea.

Should we back a left candidate and build up credible leadership figures within the SCG? No, best we support the deputy leader who signed off on the membership purges and her former leader's explusion, I'm sure she'll chuck a few scraps our way if we're nice

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Borrovan posted:

Even aside from the fact that Rayner can't be trusted, putting a left candidate in now would cause a civil war worse than anything we saw under Corbyn imo, the hard right would rather destroy the party completely & the press would help them. The smarter move would be a soft left leader with no factional ties to the SCG imo, so the hard right can sort of get behind them without losing too much face. The Burnham's &c might be lovely regressives at heart, but they're smart enough to know which way the electoral wind is blowing & at least pay lip service to the labour movement to keep the unions & campaigners onside.

I mean this is a pretty fair summary but also encapsulates why the Labour Party is untenable as a political project and must be allowed to die. If you're in an organisation called the 'Socialist Campaign Group' and are too cowed to even field a candidate due the psychoticial belligerent fascists you share a party with, what the hell is your point

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Noxville posted:

Nah they were very low for most of summer (particularly the back half), it’s spring that was the nightmare. They started picking up hugely in September when the hot weather came to an end and people started spending a lot more time indoors

Covid variants vs a fully vaccinated population is going to make this autumn very interesting

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

keep punching joe posted:

Milliband chomped down on that bacon sandwich despite being Jewish.

What is it with Labour leaders and food?

Image consultant wonks who keep trying to make their leaders look like regular people with cringe photoshoots which only make them seem even more artifical and freakish

E: ^^ fair enough that was just a paparazzi shot

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Ehh. Just a guy we met when we went to a comedy show pre lockdown. My wife said she liked his jacket and he then proceeded to seek us out at the breaks and after the show. He was boring as hell but asked if we could add him on facebook. We added him expecting him to just fall off and get deleted because we met him once, but he replies to everything and keeps sending us pms trying to chat.

I stopped replying and then deleted him, but he still keeps trying to add me and keeps replying to my wife saying he can't wait until lockdown is over and we can all meet up, even though he lives over an hour's drive away.

I think he's pathologised his own fantasy of a friendship because we talked to him (once), and then we went into lockdown and hasn't seen anyone else so he's latched on to us.

I'm also getting pretty incel vibes from him in terms of simping over my wife on facebook.

I sort of feel bad for the guy, but also I do not want to spend a single second around him than I absolutely have to, and I am strongly of the opinion that I do not have to give him any of my time.

All of which is a long winded way of saying I do not like this guy who is trying way too hard to be our friend.

Check with your wife if you haven't already and if she agrees you've got to do the hard thing and directly tell him he's being an overbearing creep and to back off, if that doesn't stop him then block him. Nothing good will come from letting this guy fester trying to insert himself into your lives.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Pistol_Pete posted:

God, Polly Toynbee's straight back writing her haughty, prescriptive advice columns to the Labour party as if the last week and her previous article had never happened.

I guess that's a finely honed skill of hers by now though.

All of the top voted comments are calling her an idiot at least, the worm might be starting to turn for the centre-left

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Szmitten posted:

Pfizer and incoming Moderna.

And probably Novavax in the next month or so too. And all of them seem to have more resiliance against the current variants too and if given the option any non-oxford jab should be a no brainer

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Genuinely shocked at the shamelessness at trying to portray Starmer as a patsy of the Left after he spent the last 15 months doing everything they asked of him. These people are loving demons.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

I hope they annoint Jess Phillips next at least, that would be fun

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

I mean Mandleson straight up lied about the level of contact he'd had with Starmer, so it's not all genuine self delusion. He knows Starmer followed his plan and failed, he just doesn't want to be tarred in association with his failed proxy

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

I just got my appointment for next week, honestly pretty surprised thought there'd be another month until the early 30s people to go through

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

sebzilla posted:

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1392875339064426502

Amusing to think this has only been going on since last autumn

I'm sure this european flag guy with the Simon Hedges bio was just as outraged when the media did exactly the same poo poo and worse to Corbyn in the preceding years too

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Pistol_Pete posted:

Yeah, Starmer's teetering: the members all hate him now and the MP's no longer believe there's any chance of him leading them to victory, which leaves him extremely isolated. The only question is if there's going to be a decisive move made soon, or if he's going to limp along fatally wounded for a significant period.

If (when) he loses Batley & Spen that'll be go time I reckon

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

I hope Jess Phillips runs again, I couldn't believe how badly she hosed it last time

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Failed Imagineer posted:

I think the antisemitic horseradish was the point I realised there was literally nothing you could do about bad faith tabloid consent manufacturing against Corbyn, how about you?

Yep, there's absolutely nothing you can say or do short of complete submission that will get you off the hook from these people. If anything the left should just stop jumping at its own shadow over the issue, it won't stop the accusations and just makes you look like you have something to apologise for

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

I only ever joined the discord when it looked site the site was shuttering and must mass-left a load of goon ones a while back because I never used them in the end and they were just cluttering up the few I did, no problems with the moderation of the UKMT one or its users

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Azza Bamboo posted:

Also, this one time, I paid ten bucks for the ability to post on a BBCode forum lol. I'm just too easy.

We're not just a BBcode forum

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007


He's right

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No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

To be fair now, the BBC did air some of my favourite shows as a child. The Simpsons, Star Trek, Farscape...

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