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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Maugrim posted:

I don't think I've seen Thomas Paine post in quite a while actually

i've been very busy wanking!

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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I'm getting me second Pfizer shot after 12.5 weeks technically means it isn't being delivered as licensed so :rip: me I guess

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Guavanaut posted:

That account restricted its tweets a few hours ago, did anyone save the photo ThomasPaine?

It's deleted and I didn't actually see it lol

But I want to

Jakabite posted:

So how’s it going with Tweetman on Tinder?

She blocked me for antisemitism because I said free school means were cool idk

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 22:02 on May 13, 2021

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Hahaha the loving shamelessness of it

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Crankit posted:

Which of the vaccines is safest for mid-30s GOONS?

they're all fine but AZ seems to give people miserable side effects for a few days more often

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Crankit posted:

Ok I thought I'd heard a thing about blood clotting and dunno what happened with that

It's literally not an issue medically afaik. There have been a very very small number of cases of clotting with AZ but way less proportionally than a bunch of routinely prescribed meds like the contraceptive pill. It's super low risk considering the benefit.

Iirc most of the issues with countries suspending use have been purely legal on the basis that it wasn't a recognised side effect and could therefore potentially be a viable lawsuit if anyone did get clotting and decided to pursue it.

The tldr is get whichever vaccine is offered as soon as you have the opportunity.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Reveilled posted:

I mean, I don't fault you necessarily for being cynical, but I think it requires jumping through a few too many hoops to assume that people can't have terminal goals other than their own personal advancement. It becomes, in my view, too hard to explain for many people. Like, to take an example from Irish independence, Constance Markiewicz was born into the Anglo-Irish nobility, her father was a baronet, she married a Polish count*, and she could have lived out her life happily as a member of the Anglo-Irish nobility. Instead, she became a revolutionary socialist and was one of the leaders of the Easter Rising (and was upset that her death sentence for it was commuted purely on account of her sex). Later, she became the first woman elected to the House of Commons (though she never took her seat) and later Ireland's Minister for Labour, only the second woman in European history to hold a cabinet position.

Now, arguably she had more personal power and influence as a revolutionary than she would have as a high-society lady, so it's conceivable that she was acting in this way purely because she was materially incentivised by the promise of that power. But does that seem more likely than the alternative explanation, that she truly and genuinely believed in the cause of Irish Independence? Not to me, at least.

For a more recent example, what better explains the more recent example of Catalonia? Did their politicians hold a referendum because they were materially incentivised to do so? I don't think anyone was truly surprised that Spain forcefully shut down any avenue for independence, nor do I think it was a major shock when they indicted the senior members of the Catalonian cabinet for Sedition. So I think we can certainly say that whatever the intent, the leaders of Junts pel Sí were not enriched by their decision. Maybe they were acting purely in their own interest and it all blew up in their face, but I think it's more likely that their terminal goal was Catalonian independence, and they took actions which they believed would bring them closer to that goal.

*Actual title disputed

Yes, this is all very true. Also remember that quite a few early Bolsheviks came from the minor nobility and middle-classes, Lenin himself for one. You can argue that in the end he became more 'successful' as a revolutionary leader than he would have been enjoying a quiet life as a well-to-do professional, but his political career started as a young man when the Russian Empire was certainly in decline but seemed no more imminently on the verge of collapse than the USA is today. He got himself jailed multiple times fighting the Tsarist regime and could quite easily have died (like his brother) doing so. And then again, during the revolution and civil war there was no guarantee of victory, and he could have been killed. You don't put your life on the line constantly against an initially vastly superior foe out of self-interest.

I think the hegemony of neoliberalism really has given us all brain worms to the extent that 'just in it for themselves' is the default position, and it seems almost naive to think otherwise. And definitely that's true of so many people, even most people. It takes work to examine your own ideological shortcomings, and that's something lots of us don't do out of apathy, ignorance, or because we lack the skills to do so effectively. It's easy to forget, but the truth is some people do genuinely believe in something bigger, even now. That those people are immediately called out as being cynical and just using it all for optics is one of the most depressing examples of how ingrained neoliberalism is in all of us. This explains completely why the media establishment was completely unable to comprehend Corbyn, or why he was so popular with some people - hence all the lazy 'cultist' poo poo. The idea that someone might actually genuinely have an idea about something grander than 'making money' or 'looking important' was totally alien to them, so there had to be something untoward happening under the surface.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Vagabong posted:

To add onto this, even if people are self interested they are not machines that will pursue their goals perfectly; a variety of factors can influence someone's decision making, especially ideology. People who declaim possessing any ideology themselves are possibly the most vulnerable to making skewed decisions, because they lack any perspective on how the options they see as available are already skewed.

Yes, the whole point of ideology is that it's completely invisible to the person holding it unless they make a very real effort to engage with their thought processes and value systems and the broader implications of their actions at quite a deep level. This isn't necessarily a fun process, because it means acknowledging your own culpability in some pretty grim things, particularly if you're part of a group that has benefited at the expense of others (i.e. everyone in the West). Biting the bullet on that can be hard work and it can also often be genuinely traumatic to so pointedly tear apart the person you thought you were and see the reality. That's why boomers hate younger generations asking them to have one single iota of self-awareness, they absolutely can't handle the idea that they didn't earn their money. It's why so many men push back at stuff like #metoo - if you are a straight a guy and you were born before ~1995 or so, you 100% almost certainly have at some point in your life done or said something inappropriate to a woman, because that misogyny was completely ingrained into the hegemonic culture before the mid-2010s. Hell, I remember actively being told 'not to give up' when a girl I liked rejected me, which looking back was terrible advice. But nobody wants to go through a process that's going to mean admitting they were part of the problem, and it takes genuine willpower to face that.

If you say you 'don't have an ideology', you're talking out of your arse. Everyone has an ideology, if you think you don't you just share the ideology of the dominant culture, either because you genuinely believe in it or because you've never examined yourself. Not having an ideology is just walking past someone being beaten to death in the street, and considering yourself 'neutral' because you didn't intervene. You might not think you chose a side, but you did.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
One of my few joys over the last few years has been watching Bojo, who clearly wanted to be PM so he could play the big man and get all the blowjobs he could handle while doing very little actual work, visibly poo poo his pants as he realised he was going to have to be the guy to deal with probably the greatest international crisis of our era so far lol

Barry Foster posted:

Was it guavanaut who said 'saying you don't have an ideology is like saying you don't have an accent'? It was someone itt. Anyway, that's a really useful analogy

That's a good way of putting it actually.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Yes they really seem to be banking on the vaccine rollout preventing another wave while also apparently forgetting that the primary clientele of pubs are younger people who haven't been offered it yet unless they've got broken insides like me

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Jesus christ I think luke akehurst might be the dumbest man alive

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1393847108143222787?s=19

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I liked jojo rabbit tbh

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

stev posted:

Was there supposed to be something wrong with it?

Idk loads of people in that thread were making GBS threads on it

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Bardeh posted:

What the gently caress is wrong with these people's brains?

https://twitter.com/emmacpicken/status/1394242763999301632

I'm pretty sure emma picken is one of the weirdo gnasher-aligned 'anti-racist' lot who I honestly think must be being paid by Israel because they declare anything short of absolute unconditional support for the state evidence of pro-holocaust sentiment

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 14:51 on May 17, 2021

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
iirc euan phillips is an actual oddball. Genuinely a very strange, deeply unpleasant man who should probably earnestly consider therapy. I can imagine he even believes his own bullshit.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
second pfizer done today, here's hoping I don't get any side effects because I have a long day of meetings tomorrow lol

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Maugrim posted:

Anecdotally I hear that Pfizer 2 hits hard while AZ 2 doesn't. The experience of my wife (Pfizer) and me (AZ) was consistent with this theory, I had a mild ache in my deltoid the next morning and nothing else while she was feeling poo poo for several days.

So :rip: I guess.

I had it at 1pm today and still nothing, though it might hit me like a brick during the night. A friend had both Pfizer doses and didn't get any side effects at all so who knows. Maybe I will be one of the lucky ones!

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Shrek was responsible for busting Smashmouth out of the 90s Phantom Zone they'd been rightfully consigned to and for that everyone involved should be eaten by fire ants.

Otoh it is scientifically impossible to be sad while listening to all star. You just can't do it.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
The inexplicable smash mouth cameo at the end of rat race is still one of the funniest things I've ever seen

E: I mean come on what were they thinking, still kills me every time 20 years later

https://youtu.be/YJ6vtpmVzPw

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 11:04 on May 19, 2021

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I am currently on the train for the first time in well over a year and this is amazing

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Trickjaw posted:

This probably a thick question, but what is a Gnasher? Beyond Dennis the Menace's dog.

Gnashing your teeth means angrily grinding them/biting (so ofc makes sense as a name for an aggressive dog) . I imagine the twitter account is using the word to imply that they're up for a scrap and won't back down, essentially.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Total Meatlove posted:

They’re now threatening to sue Michael Rosen for libel themselves, as he claimed they had photoshopped the image that they posted. It’s an interesting thought experiment in chaining together cases and payments.

I genuinely don't understand how they even remotely see themselves as principled anti-racists, when everything they do directly shits on the memory of the holocaust and victims of antisemitic violence by enabling the people most guilty of it and condemning those who most firmly resist it

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Dabir posted:

What makes you think they don't know exactly what they're doing?

That's the grim bit isn't it. It's still shocking how many dumb people seem to have fallen for the shtick though.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
The BBC's good for documentaries and food shows but just lol if you trust it for news or political analysis

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Christ this thread can be doomer as hell sometimes. We have over 70% of the population at least partially vaccinated. We may get a bump in cases as things open but deaths/hospital admissions probably won't be affected too much because most people who would have been screwed are protected now. It would be astronomically bad luck for a super strain able to completely ignore vaccines to suddenly appear. I mean OK it could happen, but it's very much in the 'worst case hypothetical' box, and it's maybe a little counterproductive to kill yourself with anxiety assuming if will. I am naturally quite anxious especially about health stuff, and I'm not particularly worried. I'd be very very surprised if we experienced another huge wave anything like we had last year.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

First doses are significantly less effective but plenty effective enough to mitigate exponential spread and most deaths

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I just wouldn't mention it and if they bring it up plead ignorance and offer to pay back the difference. It's a mistake on their end after all. This is quite possibly terrible advice though.

The safe option is to do what you're doing and be very up front about how you're trying to get it sorted. I very much doubt there'll be much of an issue in terms of the job itself, it's essentially just a minor admin issue unless it looks like you've tried to deliberately make fraudulent claims or something.

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:51 on May 24, 2021

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

EvilHawk posted:

The emailing is just to keep a trail going. To be clear: they can't ask for more than what they've paid you back, so there's no danger of interest accruing or anything like that, and it's reasonable for you to agree to pay it back over x period of time.

I'm surprised they're not chasing this more though, when it happened to me my company were hot on my heels as soon as I noticed.

It's public sector, I imagine the payroll system is so byzantine and goes through so many different depts that it would be a miracle if it was ever picked up at all if no-one drew attention to it. A similar thing happened to me a while back (also public sector) - I was a seasonal worker and between seasons they just... kept paying me. I was flat broke at the time and was very tempted to just ignore it and live the high life being paid to sit on my rear end, but in the end decided the possible fraud conviction wouldn't be worth it so let them know and paid it back. I often wonder if anyone would have been any the wiser had I kept quiet. No one in payroll gives a poo poo about anything beyond getting through the day, and if an initial mistake slips through the cracks I could well see the fact they were paying a seasonal worker full time never being even noticed because the precedent had been set. This goes double as it a nationwide org and I was based in a bumfuck town while all the central admin staff were at HQ in Edinburgh and didn't know anyone at the other sites as anything more than reference numbers.

e: I'm not suggesting OP does actually ignore it, it's probably not a worthwhile gamble especially if it's a good job. As someone who was extremely poor, hated my job, and knew I was leaving ASAP anyway though, god it was tempting.

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 18:43 on May 24, 2021

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
To this day I have absolutely zero clue why dentistry is considered its own thing rather than a speciality within medicine. I'm sure there are interesting things written explaining this and technically it's adjacent to my work but :effort:

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I love a good scam and would never usually grass someone up but grifting the nhs seems very poor form so idk

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

minema posted:

People in areas with high amounts of the Indian variant have been advised to avoid any non essential travel into or out of the area and to try and stay outside if meeting others.

This was changed on the gov website on Friday and literally noone has been told about it. Even the Tory MPs found out via Twitter tonight.

My parents have already driven up to stay in a campsite nearby and are meant to be coming to see our new house for the first time tomorrow, we've all had both vaccines and I think for the first time I'm not going to follow advised restrictions because seriously what the gently caress.

Blackburn hospital does have slightly increased numbers of covid patients again but none are seriously unwell in ICU and the patients on the ward aren't as high acuity as previous covid patients which is hopeful.

I feel like it's insane that I am apparently one of very few people saying this, but mindlessly following 'the rules' is just a dumb as belligerently refusing to follow any of them. If you're made a risk assessment and you're happy with it and plan to follow the other basic precautionary measures go hog wild. A lot of the official advice is either half-arsed, short-sighted, overly draconian, or offers very little if any public health benefit, often all of the above. No small amount of it is pure security theatre, and it's barely ever actually enforced in any case. It's absolutely wild to me that people flooded the bars and restaurants pre-vaccine last summer assuming it was 'safe' because the government had told them it was, and it's even wilder that many of those same people bent over backwards - sometimes on a few hour's notice - to follow every tiny rule in all cases, often at significant personal cost, as if they aren't being drawn up on the back of a fag packet in real-time by people who know vast swathes of the population will ignore them anyway.

I'm not a covid denier. It is very real and very bad, and you should wear a mask and sanitise your hands often, and get vaccinated (as you have), but don't make the mistake of thinking that government advice is by definition always The Correct Thing, it has consistently fluctuated wildly between ridiculous overkill and embarrassing inadequacy, and has only very rarely matched up with what was actually needed.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Azza Bamboo posted:

The past has happened: all of its gambles have been played and finished. Its winners and losers have been declared. There is no uncertainty in events that have already unfolded. Thus the present is always less certain.

:Screams in historian:

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Lol afaik the Soviet Union was a famously bureaucratic state and kept meticulous records, just no one could look at them, piles were lost or destroyed in the 90s, and Russia is pretty selective about what it allows access to of the stuff they have kept hold of.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Azza Bamboo posted:

That is what I'm referring to. If you read anything about the cold war, the authors often say "we can't know any more about this until Russia declassifies its records."

I'd love to see more on Kruschev's side of the missile crisis.

Anyway I assume by your fleeting into nitpicking that you in fact have no issue with the general point: that recent history provides a psychological comfort in the account's relative predictability compared with estimates of the future.

Ah no I get your point, I'm not trying to be confrontational sorry

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Even if the only thing they changed about unemployment was taking away any and all job seeking requirements, that would be like half the stress gone immediately.

:agreed: 100% but it would also be helpful if there were more resources emphasising how easy it is to just lie about almost everything so it takes a few minutes out of your day rather than a few hours.* I've always felt that the entire system is built to be very easy to game if you're a cynical, well presented, articulate middle-class type familiar with bureaucracy and able to performatively go through the etiquette etc, but almost unbearably oppressive if you try to play it earnestly and honestly and aren't used to paperwork, particularly if you struggle to adapt your mannerisms and appearance and especially if you openly get frustrated and aggressive (and that's without even getting into race etc). So with a few exceptions, the people who genuinely need the money the most find it hardest to avoid sanctions and are often told it's their fault for being so unreasonable when they're struggling to feed their kids, while those with an education and a few grand savings in the bank can get by relatively unmolested. It's transparently cruel and tbh just naked class warfare.

*I remember being told that officially I should be jobseeking 8 hours a day, as if that wasn't ridiculous.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Sakurazuka posted:

Spending 30 hours a week looking for jobs is what you are officially made to agree to

Yes, imagine earnestly trying to do that (and still being yelled at)

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

OwlFancier posted:

I can perhaps imagine it might be possible in london but anywhere else there aren't enough jobs to keep you going for more than a few hours.

And that's if you're applying to every single job. The jobcentre is uniquely awful at what should be its primary function - getting people into work they're personally and professionally suited to and have the right qualifications for. The expectation to apply for jobs you have zero experience in or are wildly under/overqualified for, and as a result have no chance in hell of getting, is kinda the point. It's not about getting anyone into employment, it's about ritual humiliation.

Private Speech posted:

Question for more knowledgeable folks itt, what's the law on lockpicking tools in the UK again? I've been considering getting some for when I lock myself out etc. (the front lock in our shared house is super lovely), but I'm not sure in how much trouble would that get me?

I very much doubt there's any legal barrier to possession and even if there is I can't imagine anyone gives enough of a poo poo to kick your door down in the night for them.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Lmao I think you need to get that sorted out mate

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
It is honestly a source of endless relief to me that bojo is most of the tory leadership seem to be in it primarily to line their pockets and look important and get laid. If they had any idea how much power they had and decided to really go hard down the ideological project route we'd be in 100x more trouble than we are now and we're in plenty enough as it is.

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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Communist Thoughts posted:

i think this is happening, they are openly declaring the war on woke which will eventually lead to a fascist government
they do seem to be pursuing this ideological war against social justice, british history and the left and basically rolling back all the multiculturalism stuff with pretty much the full support of the press and party

its just whether it gets derailed by laziness and venality

e: like i know since i read the first 10 pages i read more of that racism report than any journalist in the UK, but it was just a long form rejection of multiculturalism. it defined institutional racism as not being able to exist in the UK and then said the conculusion of the report was that white people are getting left behind but nobody said the N-word so the terrible outcomes for black people in the UK are because carribeans are lazy and dangerous, unlike the hard working africans.

this is the new ideological project and its being carried out

Oh you're right but they could go 100x harder and 100x faster and no one could stop them. They're still feeling like they have to slightly pander to the media and the public and the institutions and parliamentary process. They're working within a fundamentally liberal democratic ideological frame even if they're pulling awful poo poo constantly and pushing the boundaries behind the scenes. That just tells me they either don't know how much power they have or aren't really that interested in a really grand scale political project beyond 'more of the same but more money for us'. For example the institutional racism redefinition along with a lot of other bad policy feels more like they're playing to reactionaries for votes to keep themselves in power, whether they believe it or not, rather than being the point itself.

What I'm saying I guess is bojo could pass an enabling act tomorrow and no one could really stop him if his backbenchers went along with it, which they would.

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