Windows 11: Good lord, what is that company doing to its OS

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mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Arivia posted:

it's better for tablets though

Actually, is there anything else that's better for tablets too? It won't run on my Ivy Bridge desktop but the tablet is quite a bit newer

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 08:28

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 13:19

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Heran Bago posted:

For x86 touch devices? No. You can play around with Wayland's touch support on Linux or custom kernels based on your device, but you will have a better time with Win 11 or 10.

No I meant are there any other improvents vs 10 for win tablets :v:

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 09:23

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Fame Douglas posted:

It's no longer possible to accidentally activate that terrible tablet mode, because it has been removed.

Lol seems a bit extreme, it seemed nice for the occasions when I did use it touch-only

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 11:47

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

They made it all into one mode now, so the OS reacts appropriately depending on input - touch keyboard when you tap a text field, larger touch targets when resizing Windows with pen/touch, etc - but otherwise it's one experience for every use case.

It's basically the reason we've got 11 in the first place, to take the big clunky desktop UI that never really worked great for touch and making it work for everything, including potential future use cases like AR and dual screen devices. You can really see the difference in low end devices or tablets, rotating the screen actually works smoothly instead of causing it to go into a blind panic for several seconds.

Hence why if you're on a traditional desktop there isn't a major need to upgrade yet.

Huh, thanks. I'd check it out but I can't, my Kaby Lake 7y30 is apparently unsupported.

"If the decision to support one specific 7th-generation Core i7 laptop processor strikes you as odd, you don't need to look far for an explanation�this just happens to be the CPU included in Microsoft's Surface Studio 2, which Microsoft still sells but has not updated in three years"
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/loosened-windows-11-requirements-cover-the-surface-studio-2-but-not-much-else/

Lol. Though it looks like it might be possible to install manually but I can't quite be bothered yet

# ¿ Nov 4, 2021 12:10

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

You can bypass the CPU and TPM requirement with a single addition to the registry, so if you want to try it out then it'll take more time to download the installer than it will to apply the fix:

https://www.theverge.com/22715331/how-to-install-windows-11-unsupported-cpu-intel-amd-registry-regedit

Thanks. I tried it but the installer won't let me through, but without telling why

# ¿ Nov 5, 2021 17:04

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Fame Douglas posted:

Registry method only works on fresh installs. Try deleting appraiserres.dll from the sources directory and disabling your internet connection before you run the installer.

Posting from Win11! Deleting appraiserres.dll caused the setup to crash, but the trick was a) regedit hack and b) disconnecting internet before starting.

I'll give it a go but so far I'm not exactly impressed by the touch-centric changes. Swiping from the right now doesn't bring up the quick settings thing (which doesn't have rotation lock now?) and swiping from the left shows some useless widgets instead of the task switcher. Explorer seems to have been dumbed down too. The start menu doesn't have a dedicated place for settings and it's instead hidden among other apps. At least it seems like they finally cleaned up the settings a bit.

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

They made it all into one mode now, so the OS reacts appropriately depending on input - touch keyboard when you tap a text field, larger touch targets when resizing Windows with pen/touch, etc - but otherwise it's one experience for every use case.

It's basically the reason we've got 11 in the first place, to take the big clunky desktop UI that never really worked great for touch and making it work for everything, including potential future use cases like AR and dual screen devices. You can really see the difference in low end devices or tablets, rotating the screen actually works smoothly instead of causing it to go into a blind panic for several seconds.

Hence why if you're on a traditional desktop there isn't a major need to upgrade yet.

BTW, Win10 would already give you touch keyboard or even pen recognition input automatically too, and would make context menus larger when you were fingering it etc. Seems like the bigger borders for resizing is the only positive improvement so far. Also I guess rotating the screen is a bit smoother, but I never found it to be an issue to begin with.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2021 21:21

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

redeyes posted:

I just tried loading Win 11 on a brand new 11th gen 11600k, 16GB RAM, all the security poo poo turned on in the BIOS. The installer said NOT COMPATIBLE. So then I upgraded the BIOS to the lastest version that said it was for Windows 11... same loving thing, Not compatible. So I loaded Win 10 and then did the 11 upgrade which worked.

What the gently caress?!

Microsoft

# ¿ Nov 5, 2021 21:39

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Arivia posted:

I�m very sorry if my shitposting actually convinced anyone to install windows 11, my sincere apologies

Also I picked up an M1 iPad Pro as a laptop replacement recently for university and it�s great, but most of my work is reading and marking up PDFs so it fits that form factor really well. If I had any coding needs it wouldn�t have worked for sure

e: buying Apple�s laptop keyboard + trackpad folio was a non-negotiable addition though

Should've just bought a Yoga :colbert:

Canine Blues Arooo posted:

I'm honestly trying to think of a space where touch as a primary interaction for all compute is ideal. I totally buy that a Surface Studio-like device is the dream for someone in Illustrator or PS or whatever, but to bring those ideas to a computer OS-wide is a much harder sell. This is double true if you need to produce keyboard input at all, which is a disaster on touch.

I'm going to sound a little bit Steve Balmer-y here, but I'm pretty convinced that unless you have a use for a pen, touch is a toy and completely inferior in speed and resolution of control across the vast majority of use cases.

Well tablets are still selling a ton so there's some use for them.

Angry birds or youtube/netflix
Niche apps like the garmin navigation my friend uses in the plane, or car techs entering issues
???

After the ipad came out, there was a ton of hype and everyone pretended like all business apps are going to be on the tablets only and all the sales drones had to have one. I haven't seen a tablet in the wild in years, even before covid.

I'm posting from a cube mix plus, which is a slate that docks into a solid keyboard base:

Basically 90% of the time I used it docked as a little netbook. 10% of the time I'd use the pen to make notes or draw something on a whiteboard. Occasionally I'd touch the screen to scroll or zoom etc. Veeery rarely I'd undock it completely and use like a tablet. It actually worked fine as a tablet for browsing or reading stuff but even then usually having it docked was just more convenient.

Eventually the keyboard poo poo itself so I've been using it as a regular slate. And the main reason that sucks has nothing to do with the specific device itself or windows, but the form factor in general. Browsing is fine until you need to type something, then it's a pain in the rear end. Watching videos sucks because you have to hold it awkwardly, instead of just having it sit on the keyboard. Hence why I think the Yoga form factor is the best.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2021 01:46

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

I upgraded the Home version on the tablet and it never asked me to make an online account, activate Cortana or any of that nonsense

# ¿ Nov 7, 2021 09:16

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Has anyone noticed it restarting mpvy itself much more frequently? Several times now I've found the tablet that I left sleeping has rebooted even though I managed to get Win10 to not do that randomly any more

# ¿ Nov 13, 2021 11:09

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Haha yeah wasn't there a specific issue with WU that would cause it to take exponentially more time with each update? At least it didn't randomly install poo poo and restart the computer without your input, so there's that

# ¿ Dec 1, 2021 10:45

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Just noticed that my Win11 tablet resets screen brightness to medium when I change screen orientation by rotating it lol. Does this happen for anyone else? That's a pretty dumb bug.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2022 22:05

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Did they also remove the snipping tool? Searching for it only brings up the settings menu for the print screen key. Which I can't use when using the tablet without the keyboard.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2022 13:19

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Koskun posted:

I was curious about this, and a quick google got me an article from 2013 saying Amazon sell their tablets in 170 countries, with a follow-up a year later adding 40 more. Now there are 195 recognized countries, also according to google, so the math gets a little weird, but ignoring that part, they sell their tablets globally, and their app store is just as global.

Their app store might not be as known as Google's, which I'd chalk up to the fact that Amazon doesn't have a phone, and the Play Store is on every android phone in existence, but it is hardly an oversight as you imply by Microsoft.

Are you forgetting the Fire phone!??

I've never had an Amazon device (other than Kindle) but I can use the app store on my Samsung phone just fine. Why would the store be limited to where they physically sell the tablets anyway.

# ¿ Feb 4, 2022 10:46

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Shaocaholica posted:

Lol latest build works on on a 17 year old dual core netburst. Machine originally shipped with XP.

3.4GHz, dual core, clears the minimum specs! Is it actually tolerable to use?

MikusR posted:

Good news! Pro version will also require an account and internet during install. https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/02/16/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-22557/

Yeah that sucks and is stupid.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2022 20:00

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Falcon2001 posted:

The problem? You can't disable the loving news. And guess what? The cost of possibly finding out about another terrible loving thing going on right now and ruining my day is not worth the upside of seeing a quick shortcut to the weather.

But also I don't think I've seen the widget bar in action yet. Thankfully.

# ¿ May 28, 2022 00:45

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Jesus, remember having to do that?

Yes

It was a pretty satisfying feelig, knowing that all your bits and bytes are neatly laid oud in contiguous blocks. I miss it.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2022 09:19

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

I just use 11 on my tablet. One of the most baffling choices is the context menu on the taskbar. There's just "Taskbar properties" or whatever, while everything else, including the Task Manager is in the Start button context menu. Whyyyyyyyy. What possible reason is there to hide all useful items there and limit the taskbar's menu to just one menu item.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2022 21:20

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

I just noticed my laptop was starting to get a bit toasty even though I wasn't doing anything intensive. Turns out it started to download and install an update while on battery. :wtc:

I went through all the update settings and apparent it's possible to disable updates on metered connections, but not while the computer is running from battery power. What the hell. Does anyone know if there's a registry hack for this or something? I tried to google it of course but doesn't seem to pop up.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2022 08:16

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy