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Nitevision
Oct 5, 2004

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Relin posted:

cars are good. i dont want to make multiple grocery trips a week or carry everything in the heat/public transit, and all the good restaurants are several cities over where i live. yes high speed rail could help that but it'd still be a schlep, my friend in dc had to walk an hour to the bus to go to the train station every day

i'd like it if dead mall parking lots were dug up for green space though

bikes suck and being sweaty wherever you go is gross

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ

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actionjackson posted:

I feel this dude's life expectancy is pretty low

edit: video description says it's just a simulation? wtf

Yeah that's Minecraft with some mods

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lobster shirt posted:

my retirement plan is also to move to a city (in the US so lol theres like two or three choices) where its possible to live without a car. gonna be fun!

One of the first things my mom said when we spent some time in Manhattan together was "Wow, old people are just out and about here" (in a good way). Actually eye-opening for someone from suburban life

raspurtin posted:

The internal combustion engine is the single most destructive invention in human history. We need to work to eliminate it immediately, at all costs. Here’s a recommended approach:

Phase 1 – get rid of all 2-stroke engines. All of them, in the next 3 years. gently caress your dirt bike, get a real hobby. and gently caress the leaf blowers.

Phase 2 – all personal vehicles, no ICEs. Within 5 years. If you need a car/motorcycle you can buy an electric one. This includes antiques/collectors, no exceptions, no grandfather clauses. gently caress your Model-T, gently caress your GT whatever. Put an electric motor in it.

Phase 3 – commercial road vehicles. 10 years out. By then we should have solutions for electric truck motors, and hopefully more local production and less required transport overall.

Phase 4 – trains/shipping. Convert them over to hydrogen or some other carbon neutral fuel if you have to. Nuclear vessels.

Hopefully within the next 30 years the planet will be completely ICE-free. God knows the poles will be.

:haibrow:

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Oct 5, 2004

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Smythe posted:

buddy, when we're talking about abolishing cars, rebuilding mass transit, and fundamentally changing the structure of society, sorry, but, i dont give one hot gently caress about your Large Dog edge case. leave that thing at home where it can eat bugs or whatever. fly away troll

Lol

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Smythe posted:

heres an edge case, i got an elderly father who lives up a hill as steep as my dick in the bluechew and porno factory, hows his rear end sposed to get to the train? hmm? dont see me posting about it 500 times. he can luge for all i care. but for your Large Dog, well, guess we'll have to give you a special exception to drive a CHEVY SUBURBAN. *spits*

I live close to Pike Place in Seattle which is a cramped little corner of cobblestone streets with lots of vendor stalls semi-outdoors, basically the most obvious possible place to pedestrianize in a downtown core, it's not a throughway to anywhere, it has stop signs or lights at every entrance or egress and more pedestrian traffic than literally anywhere else in the entire state of Washington. But people drive through it every day basically just drooling on their windows driving 3mph gawking because the sidewalks are so narrow that people spill into the street (where there is also car parking on both sides). And if you say maybe we should close it to cars, people are like "Ummmmmmm how do the vendors get their stuff to the stalls then? How will they get their stuff in?" because everything is a binary such as Mommy's face being there or being hidden behind her hands and you're not sure if she will ever come back.

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Cabbages and Kings posted:

If someone solved the problem well enough that I could live here and not have a car and not have any horrible life disruptions, I would voluntarily give up the 2-wheel death trap "pleasure" vehicle no problem, it only works like 6 months a year anyway.

I think this is unfortunately unsolvable in North America without redoing rural/exurban development patterns overall. I spent a few months in a place in Denmark that was fairly low-density and agricultural on the whole, but housing still mostly clustered into slightly denser neighborhoods that were linked by bike path and quiet roads to town centers with train stations and shopping. This is a big infrastructural difference from something like a Wyoming cowtown where the center of town is itself diffuse and car-dependent. I guess you could start bootstrapping bike infrastructure, since there's a feedback loop of more people cycling -> quieter, safer roads -> more people cycling, but engineering a walkable/car-free town center in a car-dominated exurb is politically hard and people will fight it the whole way down

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Minrad posted:

kinda wanted to visit my parents, 3 and a half hour trip, looking at about 80 in gas and my tires sre getting up there and need to be replaced anyways so im gonna be out 300 dollars total probably. thinking about how if i lived in europe id have some loving, what, 10 euro day pass for a relaxing train ride there and back that i could spend taking a nap or reading a book or just enjoying the view, and now i want to shove ice picks up the fingernails of every car ceo and american politician that's ever existed. lol!

I traveled around Germany by train over a couple weeks for I think a grand total of about $90? with the experience of walking right onto my quiet car at the station with no lines or anything and barely noticing once we got moving while I read a book for a couple hours. Can't imagine ever choosing driving or even an airplane over that, it was without exaggeration one of the most pleasant travel experiences I've ever had. I think Americans just have no idea what it actually can be like

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Sphyre posted:

ford f150s / pickup truck culture in general is deranged even before you add an impaling spike on the front



come the gently caress on

I would love to blow this up with C4, semtex, or even just classic TNT, anything like that

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Minrad posted:

i live in a city (Little Rock) and i've seen deer running across streets on one of the roads right in front of my apartment. i'm like, 2 miles from downtown and wouldn't consider where I live to even be suburbs. deer are a serious problem around here esp on the highways in/out of the city in the fall/spring.

Drive slower to not hit them fool. Mods?

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Gasoline is literally you burning the corpses of weird old animals and setting their souls loose in our doomed world. And you do this to drive to Publix to buy a sheet cake and a twelve pack of lime seltzer

^^wow efb

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hot cocoa on the couch posted:

it wasn't caused solely by the existence of gasoline. there are many sources of CO2 output in the world, and compounding the problem is that we are progressively destroying CO2 sinks at the same time. to build a world where everyone can own a car requires energy (mostly hydrocarbon based in the world), steel (carbon intensive production), concrete and asphalt for roads (same problem as steel), and deforestation for these monstrous parking lots, suburbs and highways. a world with gasoline powered machinery can exist in harmony with the environment, but that's not the same as the world we live in where everyone has long wide roads, driveways, parking lots and highways to drive their suvs and trucks everywhere. my point was that switching from gasoline to electricity as the fuel for our current lifestyle is not the answer

While you are completely right, gasoline still bears the quality of a simply evil substance. Abhorrent to the Great Soul

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sat on my keys! posted:

make transit free :twisted:

You can't just massively pay for something with public funds. People would start to lose sight of all of its externalities and believe they were entitled to it, and it would become so dominant that cities might be redesigned around it, even if it were bad. And worse, at that point, it would be nearly politically impossible to ever try to undo the mistake

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ate poo poo on live tv posted:

How else am I going to get to national parks and other remote areas for outdoor activites.

The answer to a lot of this century's questions is that things have changed and you aren't entitled to do the things you comfortably did before

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actionjackson posted:

we should not be allowed to go into nature because it would involve a car (because no alternatives exist), got it

You answered yourself. Can you imagine alternatives? Or is your solution to whine and cry while the world fills with smoke

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"We can't decarbonize, how else will I appreciate our earth's natural beauty :qq: " <-- THis is what cars do to your brain.

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It's so funny that history has been a nonstop chain of people being displaced from the lives they enjoyed or at least tolerated by poo poo outside their control. Like people have always had their villages totally leveled and their families slaughtered by random warbands they had nothing to do with and had to just haul rear end barefoot across to some other spot where life was worse and harder, everyone has ancestors who went through that. People post on this forum who are some of the few survivors of indigenous North American civilizations who experienced actual apocalypses and can never ever reattain what the generations before them had. Many other times people have chosen to abandon lives they knew for extremely slim chances of something better in a place that was completely alien to them, and for a lot of them it ended in starvation and despair or far-worse violence. And every single one of those situations and crises including the ones that culminated in genocide of millions was a fraction of the severity of the current climate crisis, and the actual sacrifices you are asked to make in concession to the climate crisis are hilariously small in context. But history is over, and you are special, and when you speak up and say, "It's important to my family's well-being that we drive with our two large dogs to visit Disneyworld twice a year. How am I going to do that in the world you propose?", people have to listen to you and treat you as though you are a serious adult.

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ArmZ posted:

ebikes are for people too scared to get a real motorcycle or too lazy to ride a real bike, and its just another excuse to build fewer trains. in conclusion, your ebike is dumb bullshit, might as well be a car

It's reasonable for people to not want to be sweaty when they arrive at many destinations. Ebikes also don't pose as much physical danger in motion or consume as much space idly as cars do, making them friendlier to the urban environment. Don't know how to unattach this image sorry.

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This seems to be Stuttgart, which is the beating heart of continental car culture, and they're still 30 years ahead of the USA Lol



drat dude. Glad you didn't get pasted at least

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sat on my keys! posted:

https://twitter.com/ftgreenecyclist/status/1449001641290645510?s=21

Incredible transportation mode, we absolutely must continue to subsidize this.

Riding like this would be one of the best feelings in the world, if you weren't at the constant mercy of those tiny side mirrors to avoid instant death

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Fitzy Fitz posted:

Losing my mind here. Every time a popular business opens near our busy downtown, people complain because "it's going to generate traffic."

OK, to repeat that: People don't want convenient grocery stores and good restaurants because they imagine they will slow down their driving. They don't see this as a car problem. They see having too many good things in an area as a bad thing. They want amenities spread out across town to "keep traffic down." Sprawl, the very thing that drives traffic. This is why people are upset that there's going to be a grocery store within walking distance of thousands of people who would otherwise have to drive across town. gently caress

Small business owners in my city fight against reclaiming any street space from cars or parking because they believe the bulk of their business is from the 3 suburbanites parking directly in front of their shop rather than the 5,000 people walking over from their apartments in the same neighborhood, who would definitely spend more time there if it weren't loud as gently caress and dangerous. The American mindset is not salvageable

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Oct 5, 2004

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Ou là........ ça y est :biglips:

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Leesteffy Jenkins posted:

I want a City Council made up of people who are forward thinking, who truly care about reducing our carbon footprint and who don’t fall prey to single-issue politics. I would rather the council use taxpayer dollars to develop a comprehensive carbon footprint calculator, building on the simple ones built to address the carbon footprint of driving, trash and flying.

[...]

An older person who drives to their local shop could have a far smaller carbon footprint than a cyclist. Why? Because older people tend to buy fewer consumer goods.

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It’s not as if the City Council is unaware that the pandemic drove most small businesses to the brink, but what they have given in aid to small businesses, including women- and Black-owned businesses, they are taking away with the removal of parking. That is not good governance.

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pointsofdata posted:

better get a bigger car to keep your family safe, it's dangerous out there on the roads
https://twitter.com/DavidZipper/status/1453834329348521985?t=uKXztZYf86eZKrt8g6kWLQ&s=19

The course of action in response to this crisis from DOT will be a publicity campaign. Mark it

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lobster shirt posted:

anecdotally it feels like people started driving even worse during the early days of quarantine when nobody was on the road, and then continued driving like maniacs even when more people got onto the road, leading to more crashes and deaths. thank god i am permanent remote now at my job lol

When streets were quiet in April 2020 I saw drivers occasionally treat red lights like stop signs and just roll through them lol. Downtown in a major city

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I loving hate cars

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sat on my keys! posted:

Enough people are so deconditioned by the car-based lifestyle that a 20 min roundtrip walk to get groceries (god forbid there's any kind of hill) really is a big demand. You can find plenty of people on Twitter bitching that it was the ordeal of a lifetime having to walk a mile to do something.

I walk a little under a mile each way for groceries and it works but I would really like it if a good store were closer. Not having a grocery store within a mile of you in a dense urban area is a food desert, a serious walkable city wouldn't be like that

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Dolphin posted:

i also think supermarkets only happened because of cars. you wouldn't be able to or want to fit one of those monstrosities in a sensibly designed urban space.

Yep you only have full-size shopping carts where you have cars, because otherwise you're shopping for what you can carry. And funnily enough they metastasize some of the space issues of cars within the dimensions of the store interior

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The grocery dream is small well-stocked stores within walkable neighborhoods. Then you walk over and shop regularly throughout the week as you cook or need things, rather than making a big car-load trip less frequently. Then you have less food waste and less traffic, and more people served by grocery stores. It's better for everyone, especially people who cannot afford cars or to buy in bulk. Which is exactly why it will never be embraced in the USA.

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https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1457119407721705473?s=20

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That's Düsseldorf in 1991

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Milo and POTUS posted:

In the long run we're gonna export our culture to the rest of the west too. Still, good luck

Places like the Netherlands, Denmark, and parts of Germany and Spain have consciously repudiated and reversed urban car culture to large success. Paris and Oslo are undergoing the same process right now. People actually do prefer not to drive if their environment makes it safe and comfortable, there's not some intrinsic automotive instinct in humankind. Much the opposite

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With merely the minimum amount of irony to avoid this post being read in court, I hope the person who wrote this dies.

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SKULL.GIF posted:

as a compromise, if we wanted, instead of banning cars we could just ban the gently caress out of parking lots

parking lots are even more laughably a waste of space than roads are

The giant fist splitting the asphalt of the road to crush the car in its grasp in 1971, was the compromise

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4I6mMilmio

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actionjackson posted:

DAT THIG GAWT A HEMEE???

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Moving is by far the most practical and realistic way for a North American to begin living in a humane city lol

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PeterCat posted:

ACAB except traffic cops,eh?

Car driver detected lol

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indigi posted:

automatic speed limit enforcement in cities shouldn’t even be controversial, in suburban residential/school zones as well

Actually, this is racist against me.

lobster shirt posted:

cars should also have speed limiters. i understand why engines should be made to be able to go way faster than they need to, but theres no reason to then put a governor on the engine to prevent the car from going too fast. its just the facts.

And this is ableist against me as well. Come back to the table when you're ready to talk like adults.

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