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I'm working on a Dragon themed reanimator EDH deck and how rude is it to put in the Worldgorger Dragon + Animate Dead combo in to use with Inferno of the Star Mounts? I haven't played a lot of EDH players so I don't know what the etiquette is for potential infinite mana loop combos. As long as I don't draw the game it's fine right?
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Jiro posted:How obvious is it in setting it up, is it the only wincon you're putting in to win the game? And if you were playing against it would you even want to play against it? Well I'm not sure what it means for it to be obvious, I'd say its pretty obvious once Worldgorger Dragon is discarded what the end-game is; but it doesn't win on its own as its only 20 damage; doing it twice requires a bit more setup (some means of returning Animate Dead to my hand), assumes no one counterspells it, etc. My personal opinion its the same kind of timer win-con of any other deck where "Okay I got X turns before they hit me with it, gotta win before then." just as it is with Eldrazi or whatever no? In any case while I was building my deck I actually discarded the reanimator concept and built my deck around a strategy that I think synnergizes better with Kaalia the Vast and is a little more focused on my main goal; overwhelming people with Dragons!  :sarkhan:Deck list, I'd appreciate any feedback on how to improve it to be more competitive: code:I got a bunch of dragons who have enter play or activated abilities to give me responses; and multiple win conditions based on what order I get dragons out. Is the enemy putting up a stubborn defence? I got Dragons who can do board clear or target specific peskies. My main win condition is pumping out tokens, lots of tokens, did they kill some dragons? Bladewing the Risen can bring em' back. I got dragons who make Treasures which help produce mana, I got a dragon who lets me store mana between turns, can I generate 20 red mana and deal 20 damage? Who knows but I got a dragon who can do it! Need more mana? I got a dragon that can fetch my accelerators. Zodiak Dragon also doesn't stay dead either, comes back to my hand as needed! And a 8/8! Am I out of cards in my hand? Dragon Mage's got me covered. Do I need more health? Goldie's got lifelink! Enemy got an artifact that's ruining my day? I got a Dragon for that who can melt it into slag. Dragons. The flex tape of EDH. 
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Jan 2, 2022 09:08
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pseudanonymous posted:Is your plan to just magically draw exactly the dragons you need when you need them? I'm not sure what you mean by little ramp, there's like 12 mana accelerator artifacts, Sarkhan who gives +2 mana and my commander is Kaalia. Chances seem pretty good to me that I'll have the mana when I need it; and most guides online suggest between 33 and 42 lands; don't think it's all that many. The idea is something akin to Soviet Deep Battle doctrine but applied to EDH but with Dragons instead of tanks; the idea isn't to have a specific Dragon in play, its to leverage the Dragons I do get and push them out into play and to maintain a sort of tempo of reliably being able to bring out dragons and then depending on which kinds of dragons come out tailor my decision making around them. But if I need a specific Dragon I do have at least a couple of ways of searching. e: And to clarify since it seems like I forgot to mention and it might not be obvious from the card list, the main thrust of the strategy here is that there's two main forms of interaction; there's Dragons/permanents who have effects when other Dragons come into play or depending on the number of Dragons already in play; then there's Dragon token generation as I have a variety of cards who produce Dragon tokens. So mainly my goal is to produce a lot of Dragons basically; as a side bonus them coming into play or existing plays off of the abilities of other dragons/cards and having dragons in play have other affects interactions with cards in my hand. For situational circumstances I also have a variety of dragons who have situational effects as a bonus. I'm not expecting to be able to use a specific Dragon, but I do expect to be playing and swinging with Dragons. As I alluded to there's also Treasure token producing dragons for additional mana production so some aspects of the deck aren't obvious until you look at their interactions. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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Thanks for the suggestions! I'll take a look! As for Rorix and so on, these cards happened to have a soft spot in my heart as my first IRL Legendary Dragon, and Rorix is haste so he can swing when he drops; and if he's got brothers I gotta bring them along to or else his mother will complain!  And also my logic was "Sometimes I am not going to have Kaalia, but maybe late enough in the game to have the mana to pay the 7 mana for Verix and the kicker for his brother".Velomachus to me was "This guy has haste and vigilance!" while also has synergy with Kaalia. So it seems to me if I add more sorceries/instants they should be better? For hoarding dragon I assumed it'll die because its a flyer on the board but I suppose I should shy away from Ryuusei/Kokusho type of dragons who only are useful when dying vs those with activated abilities or attack abilities. I just grabbed Scour at random as a "I guess there's something on the field I really need gone" response. I'll check out the other removal options you mention. 
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Jan 2, 2022 20:32
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I've made some adjustments after playing with my friend:code:I've added in some card draw/hand resets as a problem is against decks that do interactions once I use up my hand that's it and I can't do anything else. And trimmed out some dragons that didn't add much to the strategy or synergize well in order to put in some more interaction cards. Thoughts/suggestions?
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Jan 5, 2022 04:09
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I played some 5 player commander at the recent anime convention and got eliminate first, the other four players had precons and I suppose they feared my red-black dragon tribal reanimator.  It is not a very good dragon tribal reanimator but once I had like dragon tyrant with anger in the graveyard they got hella spooked! The price I pay for having a theme I guess! The 1v1 with my sibling at the same convention was also really fun, although they force of willed me, which shocked me as its a meme in my edh group. "Do you respond?" "Yeah force of will, no of course not." and with my sibling they're responding and I'm like "What are you going to do force of will me?" and they're like "Yes actually" and was like, "WHAT!? FOR REAL!?" shocked pikachu face
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Sep 12, 2023 03:04
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I made an all sliver deck, literally aside from the lands its literally only slivers, so no artifacts, no enchantments, no auras, no sorceries, and its crazy fun. 
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Sep 27, 2023 01:14
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Batterypowered7 posted:Did you include the best Slivers, Chameleon Colossus and Taurean Mauler? If they aren't pure slivers they don't go in  Except for Rukarumel, who I let in because she's a sleaboo.
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Sep 27, 2023 01:28
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pseudanonymous posted:So you just name humans when you cast her I guess? Or do you go for the gusto and name slivers. I name slivers of course! It's what she'd want. Magnetic North posted:As a card carrying Sliver Snob myself, here's the Galaxy Brain meme version of this: I think I'm somewhat between Shimmering and Exploding  I don't mind it being humaniform if it has an interesting effect and is at least Creature - Sliver and the distinction between "All Slivers" vs "You Control" doesn't matter too much in my groups meta.It is REALLY funny though whenever my friends cast a "go through the top cards of your library until you find a instant or sorcery and then shuffle them into your library" and I just reveal my entire deck because I have none. loving Blood Moon though cripples me. I only have 5 basic lands.  Its not a fast deck by any means but it has a certain narrative engagement to it, where its like a cosmic horror/tyranid invasion. It starts off slow and easily manageable but in a commander game with more than 2 players it often isn't worth the removal when the other player is progressing their game board faster, and by the time you're like Oh poo poo, the slivers are too powerful to be easily removed because they're now all invincible, uncounterable, invincible with shroud and are also like 10/10 fliers with double strike that can only be blocked by slivers I call the deck Sliver me timbers.
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Sep 27, 2023 12:09
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God I can't win with my group sometimes. "hey you take too long searching." *makes tech with non searchable tri lands because I don't have any fetch lands in the deck* "why aren't you using the better tri lands?" "because Im not using fetch lands?" "why?!" 3 way commander sucks when the other two are always arguing and you're caught in the middle.  Especially when they argue about who I should be bullying and I can't judge the board state at all. So I made a deck that kills them both at the same time 
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Sep 27, 2023 14:38
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My group banned First Sliver
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Sep 28, 2023 05:01
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Floppychop posted:As a commander or in the deck? As the Commander. We learned how Cascade works and when I have only 2 1 drop slivers they didn't like the time it takes to go through my whole library.
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Sep 28, 2023 06:46
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Okay I think I've cracked the code. In Cockatrice I can ctrl y to put the top card to the stack zone, I can ctrl shift y to open a search box, with the right search terms it will put all the cards from the top to the stack zone until the right card is found. If I don't do ctrl y first it won't show the intermediate cards which is incorrect. Then I can select all the cards and shuffle to the bottom. The complaint was cascading through my entire deck, especially for a 1-cost sliver and cascading off of every sliver entering the battlefield took too long but this should resolve the complaint.
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Sep 28, 2023 16:44
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Johnny Truant posted:Yeah, Cascade is incredibly powerful and the answer is not "ban cascade/first sliver" but it's actually "your opponents need to deal with that sliver before you untap" Not a problem you didn't sound grumpy to me at all fwiw, I used to play League of Legends I'm used to worse.  To be clear the problem isn't that it was too powerful, they banned first sliver as my commander because once we learned that yes, cascade CASTS the cascaded into slivers so they also cascade once FS is on the board; means that instead of cascading like once or twice a game, I'm cascading like a factorial number of times; and also the worst offender was when I cascade for Mana Value less than 2, I only have about 2-4 1-drop slivers in my y'know, 99 card commander deck and the first time this came up it was a solid 5-10 minutes to one by one drag the top card onto the board until I found the sliver. The main complaint is that this would take a staggering amount of time every game and is gauranteed to happen when First Sliver is my Commander. Especially when I'm cascading from 6 cost to 5 cost to 4 cost to 3 cost to 2 cost to 1 cost and its now every game once we realized the actual rule. Because the side effect of having a deck comprised of literally only slivers is I have nothing that terminates the cascade effect or exits out from the chain; it goes until I hit zero cost slivers. My solution which I figured out after extensively searching the goddamn Cockatrice gitrepo for a feature apparently added only 2 weeks ago should resolve the core complaint. Because they did say I could have First Sliver in the deck just not as the Commander because of all the time it would end up taking. But now I think I've solved the problem so it should be all good.
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Sep 28, 2023 18:09
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Khanstant posted:I'm not scared of a 1/1 and I refuse to read the cards of my enemy. I would simply play a 2/2. Just like me fr fr
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Sep 30, 2023 00:48
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W.T. Fits posted:Out of curiosity, since the deck is nothing but lands and slivers, do you run Umori, the Collector as a companion? Not a Sliver So I haven't seen this card before but memes aside is the idea I cast it from my sideboard, choose slivers, and all slivers cost 1 colourless less?
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Sep 30, 2023 14:52
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Spanish Manlove posted:To satisfy Umori's companion requirement, there must be one card type that each nonland card in your starting deck has. For example, if every nonland card is an artifact creature, enchantment creature, or creature, it is satisfied; but if you have an artifact creature, an artifact, and a creature, it is not satisfied. So as long as all my nonland cards are creatures its fine?
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Sep 30, 2023 15:02
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Aphrodite posted:Also you choose card type not creature type with it, so you’d name Creature rather than Sliver. Gotcha!
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Sep 30, 2023 16:42
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Whelp, turns out my group still wants to ban The First Sliver as my commander despite figuring out how to speed up the interaction in cockatrice. The updated reasons being: -"You have no interaction" -"Its too consistent" -"There's nothing we can do." (After 6-8 turns assuming I got my mana) It's apparently just too good, and breaks the game having a deck that's only creatures and no other cards.
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Oct 3, 2023 23:36
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For the record this is the deck:code:
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Oct 3, 2023 23:57
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Introduce them to the idea of threat analysis But then they might lose?!
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Oct 4, 2023 00:02
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Spanish Manlove posted:also to boardwipes If I have my "All Slivers are Invincible" then they're immune to board wipes.
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Oct 4, 2023 00:46
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Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:Swords the Indestructible granter, then Wrath. They're acting like they're not 3 players who keep losing to the same pile. Tell em to adapt or keep dying, imo. But what if I have my all Slivers have Shroud Sliver as well?
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Oct 4, 2023 01:23
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Johnny Truant posted:Then all your slivers get exiled with Farewell I think the reply from them is while they could put answers in their decks, they can't reliably have those answers as often as I can cascade my slivers out?
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Oct 4, 2023 01:39
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My deck is also crippled by things like Blood Moon, or the "You can't untap non-basic lands" or "you can only untap X permaments this turn" which one of the other players likes to bring out. I suppose in fairness we as a group and I, do ask "Hey can you not?" but your mileage may vary. My assumption is its much worse for your deck to just utterly prevent the other players from playing the game and deliberately stalling an already hour+ long game even longer; while my slivers basically only rarely interacts with your side of the board, as its always random what slivers I get with the cascade commander and merely mostly random with Overlord (which in theory lets me get the cascade commander out ANYWAYS just 1 turn later?).
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Oct 4, 2023 12:16
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Johnny Truant posted:I retooled my Sliver deck because of all this Sliver Drama and now I'm very excited for it to whip rear end. I've honestly looked into some "competitive" sliver decks that don't have first sliver as their commander and I'm also prepared to get my revenge. I'll be like, YOU ASKED FOR THIS! You just COULDN'T let me enjoy my simple sliver deck that had a fun gimmick that would let me win more often than not. Infinite Mana Combos, all sorts of cool stuff I couldn't do before or pull off reliably. I just wanted to play a deck that gave me like a random combination of cool slivers and potentially win in different ways instead of being the same win condition of "swing with big creatures", I can potentially mill someone's library with the right combination of slivers, that's cool! I liked seeing what slivers I had to respond to the board basically at random.
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Oct 5, 2023 17:13
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Spanish Manlove posted:Play the "you win! Hooray" deck that's a random commander and 99 lands. Wait, is there a commander where this works? Like a commander that gets stronger with lands? AlternateNu posted:Just go with the classic Sliver Queen/Mana Echoes infinite. No other slivers. Just every way to search for and protect Mana Echoes. Lol I suspect that's in the deck list I found, along with training grounds.
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Oct 5, 2023 18:09
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Spanish Manlove posted:That's not the point. The point is to draw a card, play a land, and then say "your turn" in the most passive aggressive way possible. There is an actual version of this that's maelstrom wanderer, kiki-jiki, some other crrature card that goes infinite with kiki-jiki, and then 97 lands. But this is to just be a dick to those friends of yours. I think just playing lands without some kind of gimmick is a bit much, and these are the only friends I have so, I'm stuck with them until I manage to rope in more people into our mtg games. The Kiki jiki idea sounds cool though, so basically play maelstrom maurauder as my commander cascade in Kiki jiki and hopefully have the other creature that combos with it?
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Oct 5, 2023 18:38
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Johnny Truant posted:I would bet my entire sliver deck against that goon's that this us the exact scenario I mean, in fairness to them, I do win with my kaalia dragon tribal, they just complain when I misplay and "throw" the game to the wrong person; Maybe they'll whack a mole if I play more competitive sliver decks, but this hasn't been the norm. Albeit a lot of those wins were because I misread the artifact that's "sacrifice this for three mana of one colour" to mean "three different colours" so I was Seto kaibaing kaalia turn 1 and swinging with dragons turn 2. Whoops! In my defense they didn't read the card either. And sadly this has reduced my win rate.
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Oct 5, 2023 18:55
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Sounds like there's already one of those at the table To be clear they played stax just the one time, they don't regularly play that deck. It wasn't too bad the one time for a 4 player EDH game because enough people had responses, but it stopped the Slivers cold as I didn't have any mana rock slivers out. That player does like to play all sorts of spicy decks though. Like the Commander who whenever a player discards or sacrifices a permament they get it in play under their control for free.
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Oct 6, 2023 00:16
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ram dass in hell posted:incredible meta strategy to play tergrid and keep going after other players for their choice of commander lmao It was a lot worse with my kaalia deck as I have Dragon Mage and Wheel of Fate and the other discard you hand and draw card.  New Sliver deck, I got it from the net' with some alteration to make it more inline with my sense of fun, adding a couple of slivers. code:
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Oct 6, 2023 02:34
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I won. But at what cost? I did kinda feel bad as once I got the infinite mana combo off and it was starting to take time even with the faster means of doing cascade, but so I offered to not play First Sliver in the deck or the deck anymore but they said the deck was fine, they literally just felt it wasn't fun specifically playing against the First Sliver as a Commander which is a little wild to me because clearly this deck is just way stronger and even faster and way more consistent but alright I guess? I'll remove some of the other cards I thought were a bit much like Time Spiral, I'll add in Constricting Sliver as I didn't really have an answer for Indestructible Artifacts. This was a 4 player game, I brought in a new friend to play with us, he was a little surprised at the power levels of some of the decks, and vowed to bring in something more appropriate.
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Oct 6, 2023 05:18
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I was almost kicked out of a game store once because of a misunderstanding. I was trying to play games but it was so crowded and the only spot was on the ground by the window with the Sun's glare in my eyes so I suggested we move to a different spot to like the cafe but the owners thought I was trying to steal their business or something. I only heard about this afterwards and just never went back because gently caress them.
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Oct 6, 2023 21:05
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Katamari Democracy posted:Played Slivers tonight but kept getting bombarded with board wipes! I was able to have about 10 slivers in my graveyard and once I bought out my First Sliver for the 3rd time and casted Patriarch's Bidding. Another board wipe swung past me exiling all of my indestructible +13 other benefits to all of my slivers. Just like me fr fr
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Oct 8, 2023 02:30
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Katamari Democracy posted:I saw how you and others were engaged with the Sliver drama and quite frankly. I know your pain. The problem I have with my local group is that we have some people with outstanding power commander decks who do not play well with the majority Newbie / Great experience with the game. These guys are a little toxic and play the game at a breakneck speed. They got upset with me because they would by turn 3 have so much crap on their sides that I take time to understand and read what the card does. But im the bad guy for trying to understand how your two drop turned into a 9CMC cost without cascading frendo! Awesome! My group is slowly improving with the addition of new players from other parts of my extended friendgroup, but I'm currently looking into some new decks: Ideas: 1. Improving my Kaalia deck, I feel like it could be better, but I generally like the flexibility I have, but I suspect I need either some more lands, (running 35? Maybe I should bump it up to 38?) and maybe more removal. 2. Maybe some other kinds of dragon tribal, like Ur-Dragon with Tiamat or something? Maybe something Morophon related? 3. I saw some Kobold cards and I'd love Kobold tribal but there's like only 10 cards. =/ I could maybe make a more RP deck that has Kobolds that are like, serving some dragons? Dragon-Kobold tribal? 4. Maybe some kind of Robot themed deck that's just infinite robots? 5. Wizard deck? Like you're a wizard casting spells, so the only creature can be yourself (i.e your commander) and then things specific to being like a D&D mage, some maybe Elementals, Imps, but no typical MTG creatures like Elves.
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Oct 8, 2023 02:53
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Finally got my play my siblings today with our IRL decks (I only just got Kaalia irl but dont have the rest of the cards I need though), me with my Bladewing the Risen RB/Reanimator Dragon tribal, my sibling generated infinite mana and did 500k damage to everyone. It was a very tragic game with my sibling constantly preventing me from dealing damage with Dragon Mage preventing me from regen'ing my hand. It was funny as in contrast to my games with my friends this was the inverse where it was my siblings trying to keep me from potentially helping the other (drawing cards with dragon mage). My sibling wants to help me put together a sliver deck, so I'm looking up prices. THEY don't mind me playing First Sliver.
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Oct 8, 2023 22:21
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Played my Faerie deck and lost in the most YuGiOh way possible, I had out the "Anyone can discard a card" one out and my friend discarded a bunch of cards and then brought back to play with double counters a bunch of Planeswalkers who could all Ult including Nicol Bolas. Incredible. WHY IS SLIVER QUEEN 300 loving DOLLARS!? Every other important Sliver 5 colour card like Legion is 50$ (Canadian) and all the others are at most like 1-3$ but Sliver queen is like 5x the price of all the other slivers wtf. I just came up with an idea for a deck, what about a Super Saiyan EDH deck? Themed around getting stronger through various ways: Dying and Coming Back, Taking Damage and Recovering, Training, Sparring, Transforming into Stronger forms (the more forms the better?) and I guess finding Magic Items for a Dnd flair? Any ideas for this?
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Oct 9, 2023 19:19
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I'm looking at every garage sale listing within 50 miles of me to see if they're selling any old large MTG collections just to see if I can save money building my IRL EDH decks 
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Oct 13, 2023 02:54
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Picked up some of my slivers from a local card shop, waiting for the rest to arrive in the mail
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Amazon scuffed my order for my card sleeves and binder
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