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IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Baconroll posted:

Anyone notice how unwell Putin looks in recent media ? I know its been a bit of a meme and joke in the past with all the media of him previously doing 'manly' things with his shirt off, but for a man of his age he did always look healthy and in decent shape.

Now he looks old and clammy.

Let's hope dioxin poisoning false flag gone wrong

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IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

ded posted:

A lot of fighter based radar has a narrow beam. Look down shoot down lets it angle the beam down so you can see things better below you which would otherwise not show up.

Doppler too, so you can discriminate the thing you want to put the smack-dab on from ground clutter.

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

poo poo, I didn't belive that one when it first appeared. Ghost of Kyiv is a hella good story regardless.

Doesn't ukraine have a heap of armour? Where's the tank battles at?

E) that sounds way too flippant for what's going on, but what is the situation with their armour? Or is that just more unknowns at this point?

Probably buried to the turret ring next to a likely wading point if it's not already been bombed: The Russians have air superiority, a numbers advantage and negative regard for collateral damage. ATGMs seem good tank medicine at the moment.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Feb 25, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Mr. Nice! posted:

NATO did not in any way force Putin's hand here. There are literal NATO countries on the border with Russia and none have ever attempted to do anything to Russia because outside of defending against their bullshit, no one really cares.

Ukraine has been under assault by Russia since they took Crimea and started propping up their "rebels" in the breakaway regions. Putin very clearly started amassing his troops months ago and prepped for the invasion. All intelligence indicated they were prepping to invade. I'm sure that we had actual messages either from Russia or their allies that communicated with us that they were planning on invading. One of their foreign ministers even said that they were invading on Feb 22 and 4 am (they did 2 days later). Putin's video announcing the start of the invasion was recorded three days before the invasion itself.

This was a long planned operation. Now, if you want to say that part of Putin's motivation is to create a buffer between himself and NATO, that argument might hold water if it weren't for fact that there are already NATO nations outside of Russia and this action is going to drive more countries to join NATO.

This is 100% Putin's war. No one forced his hand. He very clearly has stated he thinks that Ukraine should not exist as an independent polity and is working toward that end.

Adding: there were NATO nations bordering SU 1949 - 1991 and that didn't start a war. Quite the opposite.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Oh yeah that is true. Would assume Russia would fill the skies with cheap decoy drones and a few real ones to make Ukraine waste missiles at the least.

I was actually wondering if this phase of the war is a monstrous decision to send conscripts down highways with no goal or plan other than to deplete Ukrainian munitions.

e: Does anyone have a source for that 65500 gamma count? News was saying "It's old dust kicked up by tanks and shelling" which would be technically true even if they did breach the sarcophagus.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Feb 26, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Milo and POTUS posted:

Seriously I'm beyond baffled at the decision process. Isn't this the same dude who was terrified of what happened to gaddafi? Do you wanna get gaddafid vlad. Because this is how you get gaddafid

A culture of rewarding the people who say what the strong man wants to hear while defenestrating anyone who doesn't isn't conducive to providing solid advice. Stack in a few iterations of the game and some bad/optimistic intelligence and you can see breathtakingly bad decisions being made. They just don't normally involve nuclear- armed states.

Asking again in case it got lost in the shuffle: Does anyone have a source on the 65500 mSv/hr count for Chernobyl provided earlier in this thread? I've tried googling "State Specialised Enterprise 'Ecocentre'" which gives me nothing helpful. IAEA doesn't support it. Anyone able to chime in?

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Marshal Prolapse posted:

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that plane before what’s its purpose?

Radio intercept/sigint.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Magugu posted:

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe its signals intelligence. Picks up all of the radio traffic, and transmits.

I'm pretty sure it's how F1 teams get around wind tunnel testing limits.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

psydude posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f08db56730fc94a

Of course the war crimes poo poo is being perpetrated by the Spetznaz.

17k speznatz according to Wikipedia.

Wonder what the count was this morning.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Terrifying Effigies posted:

Holy poo poo :stare:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits

That's even bigger than cutting off Russia from SWIFT - just one giant gently caress you to Russia's eternal quest for warm water ports, particularly with them potentially attempting to grab Odesa and the other remaining Ukrainian ports.

I'm sure NATO is having some extra emergency discussions now that Erdogan has thrown that gauntlet down.

Erdogan (well, Turkey) will have been part of the Art IV discussions. This probably isn't a surprise to the Western powers and wouldn't have been a snap decision.

davecrazy posted:

If you're an ambitious general who wants to take over Russia now is probably the time.

Thanks, no, I'd rather a Russian colour revolution.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Feb 26, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

mlmp08 posted:

Collectively points toward saying this is going worse for Russia than they planned, but is not at all the same as saying they lost.

Don't get me wrong with what I say below: I really hope Russia loses its unjustified and unjustifiable war of aggression, badly, and that the scale and extent of their losses trigger a near-universal, genuine and sustained appetite for representative democracy in Russia. That being said:

It's day 3? Anyone saying Russia's lost the war at this point is being absurdly optimistic.

We're looking at the Russian losses in this thread and delivering (rightful) congratulations to the Ukrainian people for the ferocity of their defence. But ultimately, if Putin's willing to make enough of his warm bodies cold, he'll achieve his aims.

I'm not thinking Putin has any more love for the Russian soldier than Stalin did.

How he handles the insurgency is another question, and most of the answers I see to that are just plain ugly.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Radical 90s Wizard posted:

If you wanna check out the Russian propaganda side of this, check out the C-Spam thread, it's like stepping into another dimension

Breaking news on RT: The US Aircraft Carrier USS America was shot down over the Russian city of Warsaw earlier today. Experts say America will never recover from this, and that this heralds the end of the Ukrainian army's war of aggression that they've chosen to fight exclusively in their own borders (which, to be clear, were our borders all along) to try to make strong Russia look bad.

Our peace keepers in DefinitelyRussia celebrated with two loaves of hot bread while showering.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

That Works posted:

How many days till Tucker does the heel turn

Depends if they pay in advance or arrears. Looks like arrears, because there's already one aboutface tweet doing the rounds.

I really hope Putin in his flailing (or his successor) opens the books on Russian compromise/support of political and media figures.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Feb 27, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Has Ukraine already begun deploying captured tanks or IFVs? Would that be practical/a good idea? I’d assume they’d already be familiar with how to drive them and have the needed parts/ammo on hand.

Related, wonder if NATO has made it clear they’d love to get their hands on parts from the new T-14s.

Has the T-14 been delivered, much less deployed?

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Also, I'm not religious, but I'm pretty sure I'm subconsciouly praying for today's peace talks being fruitful, and the reason for the stopped advance on Kyiv.

Because the other two possible explanations I do not like very much at all.

Not sure on your two explanations,
Guessing that explanation

1: "minimum safe distance"

2: [del]"Well, these occupied areas aren't going to war crime themselves"[/del] Bringing up artillery to pound the city into rubble and dust.

There's also 3, 4 , 5 and 6:

3: They've reached the limit of their supply; some figures were saying thousands of lost road tankers and trucks and that's going to have a material materiel impact. I think this is the most likely reason.

4: Mud. Russia probably wanted to invade over hardpack and got slop. The detente may be them working out where they want their forces to hold until soil conditions improve.

5: Morale and mutiny. 5:24 is the ratio of officers and NCOs to junior enlisted in a BMP platoon.

6: War's over, stay here to fly the flag long enough for propaganda to spin this and then come home neglected nobodies. Looks at palm cards Heroes. It says heroes.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Feb 28, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

So... what I'm hearing is that Japan will be completely safe if they intervene directly?

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

FrozenVent posted:

Negotiated settlement:

Russia goes back to its 2014 borders, and in exchange…

Nah I really don’t see how there’s a negotiated settlement possible here.

Depends.

None of these are related:

If Russia is pulling all the dissenting voices off the air domestically, and arresting antiwar protesters en masse;
A 40km traffic jam is allowed to peacefully run out of fuel and food in the late Ukrainian winter/early spring*; and,
Great Leader is keeping everyone out of physical attacking distance
*: assuming that this (a) happens and (b) anyone in Russia finds out about it.

Read together they suggest the ground shifting under Putin's feet, domestically.

Bank runs and food shortages aren't likely to improve this.

Would Putin come to the table? Not in this reality. But his successor?

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Erm... this doesn't seem good. Can a bigger brain person please explain possible implications?

1: Everything is fine comrade. Here, drink some tea and/or try this perfume.

2: It's an unconfirmed tweet.

3: War is unpopular with Russian people (I assume) and cutting off non-state media hasn't been as successful as it was pre-internet at suppressing news about losses in an unpopular war.

If true, I'm hopeful: Opined I like a Russian colour revolution leading to meaningful democratic reform out of this in the Feb thread. Not worth the lives of the '000s of people it's taken to get to this point (if true, and if it happens, you'll note there are a lot of 'ifs'), but I'll take any silver lining I can get.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Flikken posted:

Has any trustworthy numbers of Russian losses come out?? All I've seen is what the Ukrainian Army has released which are going to be inflated(even if they are only doubling the real numbers :stare:)

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the armour losses were mechanical/mobility casualties. Here's your folding shovel: dig this 40 ton piece of poo poo out of the mud for the third time today, but this time you're getting shot at.

That being said with how terrifyingly effective modern ATGMs are, I'll be surprised if the M1 and T-90 get a modern replacement (unless it's unmanned).

I know that I've said that a convoy of vehicles running out of food and fuel would be a morale victory, but in the interests of the sort of victory that actually counts: How hard would it be to stuff a CBU-97 into the business end of an SS-21?

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Wouldn’t this be more of a selling point for the modernized F15 since it’s a dedicated ASF? My understanding is the F35 is more of a stealth bomber with multi role capability.

Being able to kill the other guy before he knows he's in a fight is a pretty handy party piece.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Eeeehhhhh... Hijack alert, but:

If Russia hadn't stuck it's dick in a wasp's nest, Turkey would have been the big security story in a few months. Their economy is in the pan and the lira in a bit of a death spiral. These are all self-inflicted wounds that aren't relevant but suffice to say "gently caress Erdogan".

Turkey's energy consumption sits at about 1.7PJ NG, 1.7PJ Coal, 1.8PJ oil. They import all three and they're experiencing hyperinflation and attendant massive currency devaluation; that's not good news if you want to keep the lights on. It's so bad they've outright seized some private foreign currency reserves.

Parts and support for what will undoubtedly turn out to be a monkey model S400 is going to be background noise next to the energy question. That they closed the bosphorous to Russian warships was really most of what could reasonably be expected of them, noting their other (again, self-inflicted) woes.

Who knows, maybe Iran can be rehabilitated as an international citizen?

e: On Finland 2, don't forget that at the end of the continuation war, the SU did wind up with the insanely defensible terrain they'd been fighting over. If there's winter war 2, the Finns don't have that advantage. The SU knew this at the time. Yeltsin I think made some overtures towards the returned of the territory, but it never happened.

Few folks seem to be saying that NATO would play differently if Finland or Sweden got invaded. I'm not sure that's right. Since I'm sure that key decision makers are making these decisions based on what some guy on a dead gay comedy forum says, join before you've got a territorial integrity issue.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Mar 4, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Sani towed mortar.

Also, a technical.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

If that thread is even remotely accurate....

Also, seriously? They bagged the general because he was out front losing his poo poo?

Ukrainian snipers have incredible eyesight and accuracy.

One of them double-mag dumped Lt. Dickheadski while he was taking a dump between two APCs. Freaks of nature.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Putin has loving lost it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/04/putin-russia-ukraine-normalization-sanctions/

He even argued that Russia would benefit by developing new skills.

“We will just have to move some projects a little to the right, to acquire additional competencies. But we will still solve the problems that we face,” he said. “In the end, we will even benefit from this because we will acquire additional competencies.”


Coming this spring: showers during lull periods and fresh-baked bread twice a day. For everyday regular Russian people in the wretched discomfortcomfort of their own home.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Duzzy Funlop posted:

Also, hot update on German MANPADS-GATE: Apparently the first shipment of Stingers we sent before sending moldy Strelas comprised a full third of all the stock we had.

We sent 500 Stingers.

:psyduck:

If I'm honest, that's still 1,450 more than I thought Germany was likely to have on hand.

Wasn't Germany down to double-digit flyable fighter aircraft at one point? More in inventory that could be readily made flyable, but still.

There's enjoying the peace dividend, then there's taking one hell of a punt on long lead time assets.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Mar 6, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Defenestrategy posted:

I can't imagine the letter being anything more than "lol good job being the last survivors lads, do what you want, because we're all dead"

"Avenge us" is, IIRC, the sum total of the only such letter made PD.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Wasabi the J posted:

Man he's really trying to get NATO to do something....

While also getting what he wants.

And giving the appearance he is losing.

Putin or Macron?

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

hobbesmaster posted:

If all the stuff about Russian communications on the ground being nearly nonexistent how do they inform troops about a ceasefire?

At any point during this affair have you felt that the Russian infantry have been informed of anything?

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

A Festivus Miracle posted:

Western banks are predicting that Russia will be unable to meet it's obligations as early as mid-April . At that point, if not in the next few weeks, I think the war will have to end. Since I posted about peace negotiations earlier, at that point Zelensky could probably ask for literally anything he wanted: Crimea, end of LPR/DPR, end of Russian support for Lukashenko, reparations in kind (because the Russian Ruble is going to be smoldering ruin if Russia defaults), a cake, a stripper, and probably Putin being pantsted on national TV.

No, what happens is Russia defaults on its debt (again) and probably says "we're never paying".

Once you're an involuntary autarky, a lot of the stuff that would sink any other economy just don't matter. If you aren't able to raise capital by selling bonds to foreign investors, it doesn't matter if you're junk rated or gold plated.

There's also the possibility that China steps in and buys a lot of Russian paper, possibly on the understanding they'd be paid back in coal and oil; CN is hurting for coal since they started refusing AU shipments of the stuff and keenly aware of the risks a naval blockade of energy poses to them. That's unlikely to bode well for Taiwan.

Final thought: I think their oil revenues are on the order of a billion USD /day and that's traded in USD. Assume state-run arsenals are geared for war and they're prepared to not fund , you'll buy a lot of dumb munitions for a $500m*/day.

*: The difference is "Administrative Overhead".

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

psydude posted:

The whole transfer probably should have been a clandestine operation from the beginning, instead of taking place in public. But here we are, and everyone is suddenly squeamish about using bases that are already funnelling weapons to the front lines to fly aircraft into Ukraine and then leave them there.

I think that they're going to hand over the jets.

Someone will correct me (which is good, it means I learn something) but I think the Polish MiG's have been modified for interoperability with NATO missiles and I suspect that they'll need reversion to operate with the UA stores*. There may be other systems that want reversion/downgrade prior to putting them in a warzone where we can't guarantee they're not recoverable by our enemies.

On the moral/legal aspects: I agree with you 100%. Cash and Carry and Lend Lease lay a pretty strong foundation that an arms dealer is under no requirement to favour both sides to stay non-belligerent.

On the clandestine thing:

It being in the newspapers that This Is A Thing That Is Happening for a few days presents a very different context for the Russians when they get the news around 200 that there was a MITO of massed aircraft originating from dispersed NATO airfields, last seen streaking east at treetop height. They were probably carrying drop tanks, but they could have been B61s. e: I'm assuming that's how you'd do the movement because you'd want them at UA airfields by the time the interceptors arrive at the border.

*: I have no clue what they have in inventory for aircraft.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Mar 9, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah jesus loving christ

the only way that gets any better is if Putin immediately dusts Shoigu on suspicion of being a Ukrainian saboteur

Well... then he gets replaced with someone competent. Maybe.

Cugel the Clever posted:

IPutin ... could absolutely get away with backing down...

(Apologies if the edit materially changes what you were saying, and if it does, ignore me completely)

I'm not sure he could:

I think that even if he broke off in UA this instant, handed back Crimea, stopped "supporting " the "resistance" in Donetsk and Luhansk, paid reparations, signed (another...) treaty to respect UA sovereignty etc etc etc... he's bared his teeth one too many times, made nuclear threats and that the Western nations have finally gotten wise to him. It also costs much less political capital to keep sanctions up than to impose them in the first place.

The sanctions will see his regime out. I hope.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Mar 11, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

It's not. Vessels can be arrested by a nation, and its a Big Deal when it happens. It's not that common and even less so for yachts, and gently caress em. Take their toys away from them.

I'm surprised people aren't more familiar with this sort of thing after Egypt did it with Ever Given.

Be interesting if the shitbag owners try to charge rent on whichever poor bastard winds up marooned aboard (MV Aman style).

e: V Oh wow, that's even worse than I'd remembered.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Mar 12, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Bored As gently caress posted:

If the Russians are able to cut off the Ukrainian Army in the east, and encircle and start sieging Kharkiv and Mariopol, just exactly how bad would that be?

Bad? Or completely catastrophic?

Both, it just depends for whom and the timeframe.

On current information, also an 'if' that could be seen from space.

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

I don’t see how Ukraine would launch a successful counter offensive. Russia continues to slowly advance almost everywhere besides Kyiv they’re just doing it badly. Trying to launch a counter attack would just get in the way of Russias own gently caress ups while also giving Ukraine the potential to make all the same mistakes themselves. It’d be like the tet offensive, which despite popular memory was actually a complete military disaster where the NVA tried to fight like they were the US army against the US army.

Does anyone know about Russian anti tank weaponry? I saw a video that said Russia doesn’t have any infantry weapons remotely as capable or any self-guided infantry weapon systems which makes it a weird situation where the Russian infantry likely cannot get a tank kill without a mobility kill first while Ukrainian troops can just fire off a NLAW or Javelin and run off and pop a tank.

The tweet says that it's the UA Air Force doing the counter attack, which probably means pasting any forward supply. If ground forces are involved, I'd agree with psydude that they'll be limited to pinching lines of communication & supply before the mud season gets started in earnest.

UA's been doing a spectacular job bleeding the RU forces so far and I don't think they're likely to change practice.

As for Russian infantry-portable AT weapons: On paper? Quite competent. In the field? Wadded up newspapers behind a nosecone. Now that they're cut off from any supplies of new electronics, expect that situation to get worse.

I wonder how many hot showers the Russians are getting between two fresh-baked loaves of bread a day?

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Mar 16, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

CBJSprague24 posted:

"Denazification" is going to be the Russian equivalent of "Illegals" in that it's going to be the drum the cornered powers that be drum to try to get people to go their way.

E: looks like I'm wrong.

It means that if the Russians win, Wikipedia will probably have a disambiguation page on Katyn massacre.

I think "Denazification" is a translation of the term of art the KGB used to describe the Stasi zersetzung method/practice - thread historians correct me if required please.

It does not mean what it sounds like it should mean.




IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Mar 18, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Alan Smithee posted:

guys guys

you're gonna give away all the cooking secrets to the Russkies

We aren't discussing a million and one raw onion recipes so I think the intel will be stale fresh baked twice daily by the time it's usable.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

psydude posted:

I'm guessing long-neglected branches of the Army like ADA and Chemical Corps are feeling a lot of validation these days.

There has always been a whole lot going on in Air Defence Artillery.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Valtonen posted:

Russians bridging with armor wrecks is nothing new; t-34 had ”bridging” variants which Were exactly this- drive it into the river and build the bridge on top.

That's not a Russia thing that's a total war, fully mobilized economy and churning out as much materiel as you need thing.

Attached US training video on using Sherman tanks as bridge props refers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yu5FBMLXkk&t=1004s for period training video.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Just Another Lurker posted:

Them starting to use Naval Infantry in ordinary ground combat instead of saving them for sea based operations is interesting, diminishing the chance of a beach invasion and at the same time throwing some of their better troops into the cauldron of city fighting. :catstare:

I've been wondering if a couple of harpoons have been donated to help thin that herd.

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Alarbus posted:

For what it's worth, The Master and Margarita is a great book, the 1993 translation by Burgin and O'Connor is really good. It actually provides some context to the Russian approach to, uh, everything?

Any book that features a gunfight with the NKVD precipitated by a cat objecting to second-class fresh fish warrants a read.

I have the Glenny translation and I've never found it lacking.

Farking Bastage posted:

https://twitter.com/chaldene6/status/1506705760293691396?s=20&t=2RsT3jy3XEDoIJV1ytYRIQ

This intrigues me some. So is that missile that insane, or is the tank built out of melted down and re-stamped Lada Axles with booger welds or some poo poo? Maybe both. Hell of a magazine detonation.

I think we saw a BMP earlier in the war used as an ammunition carrier.

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Mar 24, 2022

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Alan Smithee posted:

how would an IS-3 go up against modern armor?

assuming it's not like...getting shot at

Depends. Are they fighting another IS3 that was abandoned earlier that day and someone hung a Ukrainian flag on it?

I don't think you'll penetrate the armour on any modern tank*.

If you're not getting shot at, you'll be out of the rain and a god on the battlefield.

If you are getting shot at, the good news is that you'll probably never see it coming.

*: egg carton armour excepted.

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IPCRESS
May 27, 2012
unauthorised lubricant movement.

e: Wanted to knock off early for the weekend?

IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Mar 24, 2022

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