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theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/statuscoup/status/1506365122540978176?s=21&t=MO4NZJyqzHlkjlOjCzrudg

https://twitter.com/diabeyonce/status/1506314684441546760?s=21&t=BL0cmtwWY_Ur5bEyZBtOZw

Students in Florida have been protesting the Don’t Say Gay bill. In the first clip, the students being interviewed express disillusionment with the Democratic Party. At their age, I still believed in the Democratic Party and always voted for them. But over time, I saw them make promises but never fight for them. It’s interesting how these kids are seeing past the illusion now, either because they are smarter than I was at the time or because the Democratic Party is so poo poo nowadays, that it’s hard not to see the truth. Or both.

The second flip is just documenting the walk out at a school.

theCalamity fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Mar 25, 2022

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theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Harold Fjord posted:

Those are going to be the results so that is what those people are arguing for.

When you know a consequence of an action and argue for the action you also argue for the consequence.


A current news item related to our ongoing conversation, NLRB is struggling:
https://twitter.com/jamieson/status/1507389089984790534?s=20&t=cV-OexSwhR5HIIfvjr6aPQ

That is an amazing quote and pretty much sums up the whole dynamic between the GOP and the Dems.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Why can’t people just laugh about one millionaire slapping another millionaire? Why does Discourse have to be made? Especially when some of that discourse veers into racist territory (gently caress you Judd Apatow).

Just laugh about it. It’s hilarious and the most entertaining the Oscars have been in decades.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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And for me, people getting all flustered about The Slaps but then turn around and celebrate sanctions on other countries, is infuriating. These same people will be quiet at other forms of violence I.e. homelessness, lack of healthcare, food insecurity, child poverty, and so on. But one millionaire slaps another? Oh my god, he’s just like Putin and Trump! It’s giving me flashbacks to my abusive dad and such. Blah blah blah.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Srice posted:

https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/1508602390240501769

What really sticks out to me here is that ICE is now getting a lot more funding. Awful as all hell.

(To say nothing of how there's rhetoric about deficit reduction going on too)

More funding to ICE? The corrupt agency that holds kids in cages, physically and sexually abuses them and their other detainees? Has there been any kind of talk about reform even tepid ones aside from just “more training” and giving them more money?

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/danielmarans/status/1508830772446257160?s=21&t=yIVft7FiCik4Ae0iM4X3Ng

The Democrats are basically just 2000s republicans at this point. Gotta drum up the xenophobia

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1512428929830772741?s=20&t=hHfCm4KRmiccVxGsAP7NBQ

This stuff is scary. This blatant sinophobia is horrible. No Dem should be using xenophobia to score points.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1513093448013856775?s=20&t=1w04AjW63hWyeu0rujpMug

If they aren't going to make a referral, then what's the point? Just drum up a bunch of negatives for Trump if/when he runs again? Just use it for political points?

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1514627035490131975?s=21&t=tc4uBNSN1IlUOU1DiQq6lg

They should really forgive student debt. Anyone have this poll?

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/argojournal/status/1516588104311783446?s=21&t=egyiJXY_X3W5I1g2mpv3pg

It’s this kind of stuff that makes me believe that the Democrats will do nothing to stop fascism and will sometimes signal towards it. Moving to end this racist policy was a step in the right direction, but now they might delay it

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/spmaloney/status/1521476369603080193?s=21&t=EjzIavKMipUKjSpdeV4yiA

Yeah, calling your potential voters stupid because they want you to do something substantive after delivering the democrats the senate, Congress, and the White House sure is a smart move

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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TyrantWD posted:

The voters are stupid if they think anything substantive can be done with 50 senators, when 1 of them in Manchin.

Yeah no. The voters may be ignorant but they aren’t stupid to think that the party that bills itself as the protector of civil rights could do stuff with 50 senators. The Dems control the senate. That’s a fact.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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TyrantWD posted:

The Democrats can't even protect their own seats because Manchin doesn't allow them to pass their agenda. Do you really think they have the power to protect others?

If they don’t have the power to protect others then what’s the point of voting for them?

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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How are u posted:

No matter how many times you declare it "a fact", the political reality stays the same. You're arguing about how things 'should' be, rather than looking at how things are, and going from there.

Last I checked, the Democrats are in control of the senate. The majority leader is Schumer. They run the committees. They have the senate. They have the power.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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TyrantWD posted:

Because Schumer is only majority leader because a GOP senator cosplays as a Democrat, and gets away with it because the republicans know he is still a republican, and the Democrats feel its better to have someone who will cooperate with you once in blue moon, over someone who will never cooperate with you as long as they live.

Yes, yes, I know all about Manchin. But do you think the voters know? Again, they may be ignorant but they aren’t stupid. The blame isn’t on them. It’s on the ones who actually hold power. The Dems are in power right now and it’s up to them to use that power. Doing nothing is just going to make people either not vote for them or vote for the GOP

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's a very common political phrase.

"It's the X, stupid" originates from "it's the economy, stupid" regarding James Carville's assessment that the economy was the only thing that mattered in terms of achieving their goal.

Oh I understand where it’s from. But the meaning gets changed when you’re saying it to angry and anxious people who want the Democrats to do more with the power that they have. Comes off as condescending to me

Edit: and the tweet is getting ratio’d because people are taking it the same way I did

theCalamity fucked around with this message at 20:24 on May 3, 2022

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1521562583769178113?s=21&t=OxqFPX8jYZjhlAerGyZ-FA
I look at this tweet and just know that things aren’t going to go well for the democrats in the midterms. Instead of doing something now that is well within their Constitutional ability as of now, they’re just going to campaign on it.


https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1521563873207369730?s=21&t=OxqFPX8jYZjhlAerGyZ-FA

This is the kind of moment that you pull out all of the stops for

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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So let’s say that the Dems do get to 60 senators. What’s keeping Manchin or someone similar just completely tanking the agenda by not being the 60th vote?

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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RBA Starblade posted:

Do they need 60 or 51?

Gotta have 60 to end debate right?

theCalamity fucked around with this message at 01:28 on May 4, 2022

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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RBA Starblade posted:

If we need over 60 to have no way to contest or question it then let's strive for that. I thought it was just a simple majority.

It could be a simple majority without the lazy filibuster.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Killer robot posted:

When the Senate had a vote to change the filibuster a few months ago, it got 48 votes out of 50 Democrats. So it depends how many of those ten new votes are for it. Or how many of those 48 are super secretly against it despite their voting records. The first would receive lots of public input in the form of primary and general elections, the second is a matter of personal faith that cannot be proved or disproved. Either way, in a scenario where Democrats get 60 Senate seats it seems unlikely that the number needed to pass a major party priority will be 61 exactly. Barring the Blue Dogs coming back somehow but the route to that feels unlikely.

So let’s say they never get rid of the filibuster, just one democrat could still stymie everything even though they have 60 seats.

What I’m getting at is that we would need well over 60 senators in order to be sure we can pass progressive legislation which would be a Herculean task and nigh impossible.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Killer robot posted:

In your theoretical situation where Senate Democrats add ten members but none of them are willing to back 96% of the existing caucus on critical votes, the Senate will not be better able to pass progressive laws. In itself that's a truism. Why should we consider this situation to be likely enough that speculating about it is useful or interesting?

Because when I hear people telling people that all we simply need is more democrats or to vote harder, I think that they’re ignoring the fact that these democrats would most likely be from red states who would sabotage the democratic agenda. All it would take is a handful or even just one to stop even something like voting rights. Therefore, it can’t just be “vote harder” especially since people voted hard in 2020 to give Democrats power and the democrats, in turn, are pretty much doing nothing.

I think convincing the few democrats to kill the filibuster would be easier than getting more democrats in the senate

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/repswalwell/status/1521608281969422336?s=21&t=nLYhPiCKzgtpt7cSg2uv0Q

Lmao why is he bringing up Susan Sarandon? There’s so many more people with actual power that he could have words with but he’s irritated with Susan Sarandon? I do not have hope for the Democrats. This moment will probably be seen as the moment people stopped having faith in the democrats in the future.

If they do nothing for the next six months except tell people to vote, oh man. It’s gonna be bad.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Swalwell has had a thing against Susan Sarandon because she said Hillary was going to beat Trump no matter what, so everyone should not vote for her in 2016 and instead write in Bernie Sanders to show their displeasure with the primary process.

Then, she claimed credit for Hilary losing and then backed away from claiming that. It's like 5-year old drama that some people are hanging on to. To be fair, Sarandon leans into it.

I’m aware of her history. Swalwells tweet is just directing the blame for this to a private citizen who doesn’t have that much influence. It’s pathetic

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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VitalSigns posted:

And they know it too because if she actually had all the power they say they'd be groveling and currying her favor like they do with Joe Manchin

Yet another example of them kowtowing to the right of the party but being actively hostile to the left

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Dems should’ve just said that it’s an issue between the woman and her doctor and that the government shouldn’t get involved in medical decisions. Don’t need to say “well I personally think it’s wrong and unfortunate, but it should still be legal”.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/emiliesimons46/status/1521850521350516739?s=21&t=0c8HlaInkAdYoKL9A5-JTw

quote:

When reporters tried to question Biden about other topics after his remarks, the president prodded, “You don’t want to ask about deficits?”

They are really not prepared for this moment. Paying down the deficit isn’t going to help people. Voters aren’t going to jump for joy about the deficit being lower.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Discendo Vox posted:

No, it isn't. It is in fact possible for there to be multiple constituencies and multiple messages on multiple subjects. People with other views (including people who don't know about or care about Roe!) exist and are also audiences. Just because you don't find them sympathetic doesn't mean they don't matter.

Yes, it is. I agree that certain audiences exist, but part of his job is to not have these messages conflict. Celebrating paying down the deficit while fundamental rights are being taken away is bad optics. It’s out of touch

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Discendo Vox posted:

You demanded that the subject of the existing speech be changed. Just because you are not the audience does not make the existence of a different, previously scheduled speech to another audience on another topic incorrect. As with the discussion of Kaine earlier, you are not the universe, and there are other audiences and constituencies that these people are also trying to communicate to.

As president, Biden should be aware of context. The time and place of his remarks has to be taken into account. While he may intend that speech for a certain audience, it may get picked up by a different audience who feels that he’s not doing enough in the current ongoing situation.

Again, celebrating the deficit being paid down while rights are taken away is not good.

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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FizFashizzle posted:

Obviously not the most important thing going on right now but lots of blue checks are teasing Mitch’s next knife into cawthorns back and rumors are running it’s a sex tape.

https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/1521979467698253825?s=21&t=Zb6FJ4iDgP9wUOJqNcXjCg

At this point, Madison should name names and go into detail under oath lol

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Nonsense posted:

https://twitter.com/jherrerx/status/1521977032674103296?s=20

Very sad prospects for the party. Building beautiful bridges to no where.

Building beautiful bridges to the forced birth hospital

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1521809110185959424?s=21&t=16ajuVj_KQhKgiKopEWa3w

We live in a cyberpunk dystopia. Government really should’ve tamped down in this kind of stuff.

who am I kidding? The government loves this so that they can get around basic rights

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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PhazonLink posted:

the EFF and other pro privacy orgs have been barking that people should care about their privacy for years/ decades.

its largely fallen on deaf ears. cant force horse to drink water, cant force dumb asses to do tech vetting when they want thei LCD dopamine hit from digital crap.

Or the government could protect people’s privacy

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/qasimrashid/status/1522058050978336769?s=21&t=16ajuVj_KQhKgiKopEWa3w

This is heartbreaking

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/statesman/status/1522018267208069120?s=21&t=dHZPmCCPZkFxN57F351qLg

Things are ramping up

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Some Colorado democrats want to kickstart the drug wars it seems

https://twitter.com/mattsebastian/status/1522409895621844994

Gee it's not like we have evidence this kind of thing is horrible. Let's just do it anyway! Hmm all of a sudden black people's weed is testing positive for fentanyl for some reason.

:bang:

This is another issue I see with "Vote blue no matter who". The lovely democrats will put up bills like this that set us back or fund the police who will attack and harass those protesting against the GOP taking away human rights

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://twitter.com/scottwongdc/status/1522528909589417986?s=21&t=xTNg1Am6LII0XJ4KutjPfg

Fund the police so that they can investigate women for “abortions”. We have to give them more money to oppose our own voters who want human rights.

It’s redundant to send this letter to Pelosi. She’s not going to defund the police

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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RBA Starblade posted:

How popular is the idea currently? We discussed it before but the poll showing "not at all" seemed pretty leading iirc

It’s not, but 1) if the Democrats actually supported it and educated people about it, then support for it would be higher and 2) none of the Democrats that ran in 2020 supported Defund the Police. They only used it as a scapegoat for why some democrats lost

theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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CuddleCryptid posted:

That entirely depend on how you ask the question. Defunding the police is not popular, but all the polls for shifting money from the cops to social programs show strong support.

As with most things like this the slogan was direct and honest but required a small amount of background to understand and therefore was an utter failure at accomplishing it's goals because no one reads below the headline.

I think focusing on the popularity of defund the police is shortsighted. There is a tendency among Democrats that they must immediately show that they are tough on crime. They want to show how they’ve funded the police more than Trump, for example. Or make crime bills more punishing.

I see it as a failing long term tactic in which the Democrats are going to be directly or indirectly criminalizing their potential voters by giving the police more funds to play around with and harass and intimidate people. They’re going to give more money to entities that will use period tracking apps to get women arrested. They’re going to be giving more money to entities that track your cell phone to see if you’ve been at a protest. Hell, they’re giving it to entities that harass and intimidate mutual aid networks. We’ve seen videos of police dumping out water for the homeless before.

If the point is to have more people vote for you than the other side, then give them a reason to vote for you and decrease the amount of potential police interactions that could end up getting them killed or disenfranchised.

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theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

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https://sanantonioreport.org/cuellar-ducks-abortion-issue-while-campaigning-through-challengers-stronghold/


quote:

In an interview with the San Antonio Report, Clyburn downplayed the significance of abortion among his party’s base.

“Does this issue carry more weight than voting [rights]? I don’t think so,” Clyburn said. “I think restoring the Voting Rights Act is a much weightier issue than this.”

drat, so nothing is going to happen

theCalamity fucked around with this message at 19:04 on May 6, 2022

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