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Who will win the federal Election
This poll is closed.
Labor Majority 48 42.48%
Labor Minority 29 25.66%
Liberal Majority 3 2.65%
Liberal Minority 12 10.62%
UAP Majoirty 21 18.58%
Total: 113 votes
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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


lih posted:

morrison is going to take advice from drip twitter and have a half senate election in may for no reason and wait til september to be thrown out of office in a house of reps election

He won't, but loving imagine the next few months if he did.

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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Breetai posted:

Sa labour appears to be assuring the continuation of the previous government's December "gently caress it, COVID is over" policy. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/child-under-five-one-of-two-covid-19-deaths-in-sa/100957728

The problem with COVID is reporting cases, so if we stop doing that it'll be less disruptive.

The contrast in official guidelines and also expectations of what is decent behavior are hard to reconcile.

We're interstate for a few nights and woke up this morning not feeling great. Went and got a RAT because it's the right thing to do, that was negative, but did have the moment of dilemma on if we should because suddenly being stranded away from home for a week with no resources would be a pain in the butt, and what we're meant to shell out $20-$30 for RATs every morning after a big night?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


The Lord Bude posted:

They gained one point - it's now 46/54 to Labor. Interestingly Labor have lost 3 points on their primary vote but 1 went to LNP and 2 went to the Greens.

One point is well within the margin of error, not too notable.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Come on God give us this one.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Halo14 posted:

I’m a simple man, all I want is more LNP tears than 2007.

I don't think we'll see a night equivalent to that for decades to come. Howard had been in for 11 years and for better or worse (I think most of us would agree worse) had massive changed Australia over that time. Workchoices was pushed largely because the Coalition was believing their own spin and truly thinking they could do anything.

The massive pushback started to make them look shaky, then you had the popular momentum around Rudd. They say that elections are lost, not won, but Rudd had such positive energy around him that in 2007 both were true. Then you had the bonuses like Howard losing his own seat to really rub in that Australia had rejected them and that an entire political era was coming to an end.

In contrast to 2022, where the Coalition have been in power for 9 years, been through three PMs, and don't really have any big achievements to point to. They've ratfucked the country in a bunch of ways, and ruined a decade of potential, but what will the legacy of this government be? Nothing notable really and most of them know it and are already mentally prepared for a time in Opposition to regroup.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Chicken Parmigiana posted:



After working on it for weeks of time — probably months — in fits and starts over three years (I started it prior to the last election), the much-requested, never-commissioned You Can't "Waste" Your Vote, Part 2: What's the Go with Voting for the Senate? is close to completion at long last.

Heck yeah.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006



We're starting to replicate more of these in Adelaide as well, and while it's nowhere near as bad yet it's inevitable with these types of designs. Developers make money and people move into cheap housing, and then taxpayers are left to subsidize the building of extra roads and transport connections.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Anidav posted:

It’s over. It will be a defeat of historic proportions. Ordinary Australians have had enough. Yes, thanks for getting us through the pandemic (lol) - but that was your job. But we are looking ahead and we don’t want any more of this Prime Minister, rightly or wrongly.
It’s time. To move on, to get a more trustworthy PM, to get a more cohesive government and the list goes on.

Rupert has sniffed the mood. He will give Labor a fair hearing. It will be a million miles from coverage with Shorten as leader.

Morrison is on the defensive every day. And that won’t go away. In fact, it will intensify as the NSW division continue with their stabbing. And Turnbull won’t be far away, every day.

At least 80 seats. Bank on it. I know from long experience that once the campaign starts the way this one has for Morrison, it will ramp up. Make that 85 seats.

ACTUALLY make it 90 seats.

Where's this quoted from?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Booted for questioning glorious leader.

quote:

A Liberal member who challenged Scott Morrison's federal intervention in the NSW division has been expelled from the party.

Western Sydney businessman Matthew Camenzuli launched an unsuccessful court bid to overturn the decision to select ministers Sussan Ley and Alex Hawke and backbencher Trent Zimmerman as candidates for their seats at the upcoming election.

Mr Camenzuli argued party members rather than a panel comprising Mr Morrison, NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet and former party president Chris McDiven should choose candidates.

If he had won the case there was also a strong chance he would have put nine other candidate selections at risk.

It is understood the NSW Liberal director used "campaign powers" to expel Mr Camenzuli.

Mr Morrison is due to call an election within days.

It is understood the party feared further court action would have damaged its chances of winning the election.

A senior Liberal source told AAP the state executive would meet on Friday to ratify the decision, but there was no guarantee it would be upheld.

"Mr Camenzuli was standing up for members' rights," the source said.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Good news everyone, assuming that Morrison calls the election Sunday and doesn't Bradbury his way into another term this is the last week where they have any real non caretaker power.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Have other states been getting his ads about how people outside cities will pay less tax?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


If Labor hadn't looked like a shoe in at the last election there's a chance they might have actually won. When it looks like a landslide there are some people who won't vote for them to try and keep balance.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


bell jar posted:

:psyduck: the 2019 election was not brexit

No, but the same human mentality is universal.

There's a reason pretty much every political leader ever tries to portray themselves as the underdog, because "we're so close but need you to get us over the line, and you don't have to worry about us being too powerful afterwards" is messaging that works on a subset of voters.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Lawman 0 posted:

Hey Auspol who is going to win this election?

Probably Labor, but Morrison still has big piles of money set aside in the budget whose purpose hasn't been announced yet (which is so hosed tbh) that I expect will be thrown at the marginal electorates the LNP needs to keep over the next few weeks.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Recoome posted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-12/strawberry-farmer-loses-200k-as-pickers-go-into-covid-isolation/100977738

I guess I stopped following a lot of COVID-related poo poo after Jan but I'm surprised WA is so far behind the times. I think QLD and WA both did a pretty good job, but QLD had the timing right as it wasn't really feasible to do a lot of that inhumane restriction poo poo that WA ended up pulling.

Get w/ the times WA.

QLD is letting people go to work while they're testing positive to Covid?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


starkebn posted:

I don't give a poo poo if someone can remember a specific number. Such a stupid talking point.

Yup, considering that even the supposed god king PM John Howard did the same thing.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


JBP posted:

Not knowing basic figures like the cash and unemployment rate as opposition leader is pretty bad tbh. As if you don't know you'll get shredded on this stuff.

Embarrassing in the moment, but everyone forgets random poo poo, and I bet you for the past few weeks he's been memorizing a lot of numbers relating to their policies.

Wish there was a fraction of the beat up every time a politician "can't recall" something actually scandalous.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


lih posted:

yeah it's just a weird goofy form of it that feels like it could be a lot more effective idk

hanson announced that george christensen is running for the senate as third candidate on the one nation ticket in qld so it's not at all a serious attempt and is obviously just so he can get the $100k "resettlement allowance" that mps are entitled to if they are disendorsed (for reasons other than misconduct) or lose re-election (even if they run for a different seat or the other house of parliament)

WHAT

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Don Dongington posted:

The fact that state Labor goverments manage to cut through and have gained government basically everywhere but NSW (which is a basketcase politically) means that there is a pathway to victory, but I'd be curious to know how much the media backing of the Liberals in WA for example impacted local's trust for said institutions.

That said, I think the tactic often employed against a clear favourite is to be unreasonably critical while not obviously and blatantly fellating the other side. This doesn't seem to happen as much federally, although I suppose it's harder against a small target opposition leader than a premier willing to go against the grain.

I would still be curious to know how a campaign like this one affects the population's perception of the media as more or less trustworthy though. At some point you have to imagine it would come back at them. If any of you resourceful buggers has a study or article on hand, I'd be keen to see it.

Edit: And I guess another element would be that a lot of the more toxic media personalities willing to tie their ship to the federal libs live in NSW, so they have far more to lose from the Feds losing govt than a premier in another state.

If all state and Federal governments are Liberal it makes people more likely to vote for a chance, and state governments have less ability to change taxes on the rich which is most of the reason they want a Liberal federal government.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Saw a big billboard this morning about Palmers proposal to force Home Loan rates to not go above 3% for 5 years, and am I missing something obvious (yes I know Palmers mad, but most of his policies at least seem to have had some sort of vague sanity check) but if interest rates went up higher than that and banks were prevented from giving mortgages above 3% wouldn't it do bad things to the economy?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Jezza of OZPOS posted:

My generous interpretation of that was that presumably the Fed government would subsidize the banks. No I'm not sure how this would work in practice and I assume neither are they.

Looking at the quotes about it on their site he talks about using the governments constitutional power to limit the bank home loan rate, so it sounds like literally just a cap.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


lih posted:

betting markets mean nothing and people are just getting spooked from last time + last week's gaffes

God I hope so, but after the Brexit Vote, 2016 US election and 2018 Australian Federal election gonna be chewing nails hard for the next month.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006



At this point before the last election Newspoll was 48:52, and two months before the election it was 46:54.

It's gonna be a close one.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Bargearse posted:

What does the onion represent in this analogy?

The furious arguments on whether the onion goes above or below the sausage represent the popular embracing of a two party system where small issues are quibbled over instead of major change.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Housing and land prices are climbing, meaning more people can't afford to build new homes to live in. Rental investors can make better returns by buying up existing stock, outbidding owner occupiers, leaving more people in the rental market and driving up the cost of housing even more.

The system is set up to ensure maximum profits for investors, that comes from higher rents and less empty time.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


mahershalalhashbaz posted:

actually, speaking of disability, does anyone itt have any experience with disability employment services? there's a royal commission going on right now that is unearthing some nasty poo poo (pack boxes for $4/hour! have a go to get a go!) but it seems to be the opinion of the public that disabled people should just suck it up and accept that slave labour is their lot in life. i have been on des for about two years now and my personal consultant is quite evil, i am blessed to have a single shining specialist who protects me from centrelink but i've seen enough of the des methodology to know they're absolutely ruining the lives of people who are more vulnerable than i am.

When I was in my final year of high school I did holiday work for an organization which hired disabled people (mostly intellectual disabilities). They did minor assembly and packaging work, and things like stripping the foam off returned QANTAS in flight audio headsets to prepare them for cleaning.

During school and uni holidays they would get students in to help catch up the backlog of work, along with helping out with tasks that they don't want some of the intellectually disabled workers doing (some tasks involved using a drill press) and that's what I did. I was strongly recommended to not mention the princely $8 an hour I was receiving (this was at the turn of the century) because it dwarfed what most of the full-time workers received, but it was explained to me that this was because they also received government funding that made up the difference.

At the time I didn't question it too much, assuming everything probably made sense. I can definitely believe these reports coming out.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Don Dongington posted:

Spam email from a recruiting agency I used to deal with occasionally (Michael Page):



Frankly, I'd be more interested to know who the hell is in a position to "give up" a salary increase or bonus in TYOOL 2022 that isn't either a C-Suite, or fits into the catchall of "cyber security and other tech workers in critical undersupply since immigration effectively halted", who can pretty much pick and choose their employer based on their individual needs right now anyway?

For people not living paycheck to paycheck there are definitely quite a few at the moment who seem willing to take a bit less pay in exchange for conditions like WFH flexibility and 4 day weeks.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Wizard Master posted:

Absolutely vile disrespect to our diggers shown by Scott Morrison during yesterday's ANZAC memorial, where he is shown texting whilst the minutes silence is occuring
https://v.redd.it/nokht0y0arv81

Can you imagine if any Labor or Greens politician had done this.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Mysticblade posted:

You lot must be talking about Bill Shorten.

Saw some new party called TNL (The New Liberals) in my electorate. I liked some of the stuff on the policy sheet (Net zero emissions by 2030, bring refugee's to Australia) but I couldn't help but get the feeling they were economic conservatives. They were spruiking something called Modern Monetary Theory which I'm having some issues understanding.

As I understand it MMT is basically throwing away the idea of treating the governments budget like a household budget, and thinking of things more in productive potential. We think of things in terms of supply/demand, where supply is often treated as a static amount, with less demand leading to lower prices and higher demand higher prices.

Imagine a factory running at 50% capacity because that's what they think is the optimum amount of production balancing revenue against unsold product. If demand is permanently increased, that factory could now run at 75% capacity with the supply/demand balance staying the same, and thus not causing inflation.

As long as there's unused or underutilized production ability, the government can keep injecting money, raising living standards and stimulating the economy without worrying about debt.

Obviously there is still a limit to how much money can be created as there are limits to productivity and how quickly things can ramp up, and if the government spends too much too quickly, or in the wrong areas, that could prompt rapid inflation so it's not a magic bullet to fund anything they want, but it does take away the "BUT HOW WILL YOU PAY FOR X?!?!" argument.

Taxation still exists, but rather than that collected money being used by the government to pay for things it is destroyed, lowering the amount of money in circulation as an anti-inflationary measure.

At least that's how I understand it, but most of it came from listening to Luke McGregor explain it on a podcast a couple of years ago so I'm certainly no expert.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


NTRabbit posted:

It's also an irrelevant seat, Labor only needs 3 votes from 2 Greens and 2 ex-Xenophons to carry votes

She's in there for 8 years now though. Could matter after the 2026 election.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Howard did irreparable damage to Australia, but most of that was intentional, part of a vision for what his government wanted the country to be.

I disagree with most of the changes he made, but for his supporters at least they could point to how Australia had been changed by his time in power.

Since 2013, with 9 years of power, what has the Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison government actually done? What's their legacy?

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


NPR Journalizard posted:

But asked about the growing pressure on home buyers, he (Howard) said: “I don’t accept there is a housing crisis.”

“The cost of housing in this country is much higher than we would like, but a lot of the reasons for housing being expensive in Australia has been baked into the system over the years."

The system is working as intended, because he set it up that way.

Who could have possibly baked these things into the system:

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


SecretOfSteel posted:

Or oats. We used to be a country of porridge eaters - but no more.

I've started having porridge for breakfast at work, myth busted.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


We need the government to commit strongly to massively increasing the stock of public housing.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Newspoll out, unchanged at 53:47

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


adeadcrab posted:

Greens are not taking Griffith from Queen Terri Butler
Greens will win Mcnamara
Greens will win Brisbane
Adam Bandt will take 80% of the primary vote in Melbourne
Greens might win Cooper (they nosedived in 2019 though) https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/guide/coop
Greens ain't winning Wills since Ratnam decided to stop contesting and lead the greens in VIC state parliament
Kooyong? Koo-notwinningit
Greens might win Higgins

I still find it hard to imagine the Greens getting any other seats than Melbourne, but would love to see it.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Ok this is a great ad:
https://twitter.com/AustralianLabor/status/1521034216674234368?s=20&t=Dhnxe35CU_le-IuP6KAQzQ

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Seemlar posted:





We are well and truly in the Starship Troopers "it's afraid!" stage

Haha, they also have no loving idea what they are talking about.

There's a reason that long-running political parties aren't featured in the constitution. The ideal for a parliament is that they are all independents, and then a majority come together on shared ideals to form a government.

Hell, in the 19th century there was plenty of discussion that the office of Prime Minister itself was against the principles of the system.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Haha, I love this guy they put in the ABC article for balance:

quote:

Savers rejoice
But not everyone is worried.

Retiree Grant Agnew is currently receiving just 1.09 per cent interest on his savings. He is one of around two-thirds of the population without a mortgage who are quite happy to see interest rates rise from record lows.

"I get no return on my money. Other people are allowed to borrow it, but I'm not allowed to get anything from them for it," he told The Business.

"I want the interest rates to go up so that I can get a decent return on my money.

"I want them to go up over 20 per cent, like they did three times in the 1980s. Life was beautiful, money fell from the sky."

Where's the guillotine gif when you need it.

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Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


lih posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/04/emails-reveal-one-nations-last-minute-scramble-to-find-candidates

lol one nation had to resort to deceiving prospective candidates into running in totally unrelated seats because they were so unorganised and couldn't find candidates for a lot of seats

This checks out with the SA One Nation candidate who was just elected to the upper house. The daughter of a prominent party member who didn't do any campaigning, didn't appear in any One Nation campaign material before the election, hadn't even met Hanson when she visited SA, and who went to ground after results started coming in. Clearly just a seat warmer.

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