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Mooey Cow posted:Can't believe telling obvious and defaming lies will now be considered defamation. This sets a dangerous precedent obvious and defaming lies like "I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out." when will society put a stop to this awful slander
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Barudak posted:What Im reading is in a case where all she had to do is not say "I did this on purpose to hurt his career knowing these were lies" she testified "I did this on purpose to hurt his career knowing these were lies" no, she did not say that the years of physical abuse were lies, if that's what you're asking it may have been unwise to hinge her defense on speaking the truth, but i can understand why someone might think years of photos and contemporaneous reports to third parties would be more compelling than it turned out to be Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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Cyks posted:Here’s a tip on how to avoid a future defamation case: if you’re going to publish an article about how you’re the poster child for domestic abuse and sexual violence survivors, don’t produce a two hour audio tape of yourself gaslighting your accused abuser where you point out that whenever you get violent and start physically hitting them they try and defuse the situation by walking away and it pisses you off they never fight back. It really makes it hard to believe you constantly feared for your life. yeah god forbid she yell at the dude beating her down on the regular, she should've realized his lawyer would selectively edit that recording years later to convince a bunch of people she's the actual abuser
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Cyks posted:The entire audio is available and submitted in evidence for the jury to review. including the parts where she points out he was beating her, which were edited out of the leaked versions everyone likes to link that whole conversation is her trying to get him to acknowledge what he's doing rather than drinking until he blacks out then denying he did anything. foolish to believe the truth matters to the dude beating you down i guess but what can you do
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Cyks posted:So you’re saying the jury got to hear that part and still disagreed with it. yeah the jury hosed up, not the first or the last time in a domestic abuse case with a rich and charismatic wifebeater
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I don't get it. If there was incontrovertible evidence that she was being abused why did the jury find against her? because people will believe any conspiracy theory as long as it lines up with their initial gut suspicion of a DV victim the better question is how a statement that didn't mention depp by name and didn't accuse him of anything was defamatory, but when it's a trial by public opinion with an unsequestered jury, the law doesn't really matter very much
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Cyks posted:She said during the trial that the op-ed was about Depp and the op-ed points to a specific time frame, two years prior to publication which would have been late 2016, the same year she filed the restraining order and a month before the divorce was finalized. Saying “she didn’t say his name specifically” is being disingenuous. it still didn't actually accuse him of anything, just mentioned that she'd been in the news regarding domestic abuse, which is incontrovertibly true. it was foolish to say that the op-ed was about depp, but she was relying on the pile of pictures and contemporaneous reports to third parties of his abuse to be believed. it's doubly foolish to expect anyone to believe the evidence collected by the victim of a rich charismatic man, i suppose, when it's more fun to believe the epic poop memes and the edited videos accusing her of doing coke in the middle of the trial Blue Raider posted:The jury found that the unnamed target of her op-Ed was depp. You can hem and haw about what did or didn’t happen all you like, but he was clearly the topic of that little write up and this is the basis of the defamation case. if the op-ed was true (and every single word of it is incontrovertibly true), then it doesn't matter if it was about depp. the truth is never defamation.
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Centusin posted:It does specifically mention suffering abuse before being of college age, perhaps you should read it yeah this is the wild part. i'd love to see anyone point to which part of this isn't true quote:I was exposed to abuse at a very young age. I knew certain things early on, without ever having to be told. I knew that men have the power— physically, socially and financially— and that a lot of institutions support that arrangement. I knew this long before I had the words to articulate it, and I bet you learned it young, too. the rest of the op-ed is about metoo in general and the need to strengthen DV laws
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Blue Raider posted:None of us know what is or isn’t true. We aren’t mind readers and we weren’t there. man every claim in that op-ed can be trivially verified. she didn't accuse depp of beating her publicly until these lawsuits, so you don't have to get all "we aren’t mind readers and we weren’t there."
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Blue Raider posted:Now quote the rest of the post the rest of the post is moot. it wasn't a trial to see if johnny depp beat her, it was a trial to see if the op-ed was false. but the op-ed was completely anodyne, and it's nuts that the jury decided to punish her for accusing him of DV in the course of the trial also, don't play this neutral observer with no opinion nonsense Blue Raider posted:amberheard when johnny depp walked in and saw her making GBS threads on the bed: "youre clearly not a golfer" Blue Raider posted:Captain Jack sparrow OWNS shameful lawyer with CLAPBACK LOGIC Blue Raider posted:She shat Blue Raider posted:I’ve seen enough. Ready the electric chair people like you decided they liked memes more than believing a victim. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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Blue Raider posted:Well the ruling disagrees. Idk what else there is to say about it i'm pretty sure the jury was like you: they liked funny memes and the charismatic actor more than the ugly fact that he beat her for years. it was foolish of her to think anyone would believe any amount of evidence.
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Mooey Cow posted:Those sheeple in the jury and everyone who watched the trial will believe any conspiracy theory put forward by the shady international cabal of Johnny Depp fans who will use this ruling to take over the world and imprison all women, especially themselves man, the US elected a rapist as president twice in a row, it's not a conspiracy that nobody gives a poo poo about victims
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Perfect Potato posted:https://annsilvers.com/blogs/news/johnny-depp-and-amber-heard-audio-recording-sept-2015-transcript that transcript has a bunch of commentary accusing heard of being a lying gaslighter because (on march 23, 2015) johnny depp attacked heard's sister and heard jumped in and smacked him. this is something heard has never denied, btw. this is followed by depp grabbing her hair and striking her in the face repeatedly, something her sister corroborates. Powerful Katrinka posted:She made outrageous claims of horrific abuse, and suffered none of them. Everything she said and did is suspect. it rules, you can submit any number of pieces of evidence, any number of pictures of wounds and witnesses who back you up. you can even be honest about the things you did even when they reflect poorly on you, and none of it means a goddamned thing. it's all proof that it's a conspiracy to trick everyone into thinking the abuser isn't a sweetheart. DARVO is the go-to strategy because it works like a charm, and people will eat up "Amber Heard STEALS Rihanna's abuse story!" youtube clickbait and convince themselves they're righteously punishing the witch Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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Tenkaris posted:I don't think you would have been satisfied with any likely outcome, dude. i mean, no, not really. this whole trial was pretty clearly meant to revictimize her; it happens all the time with domestic abuse court cases. this is the second time in a row depp's pressed a case and wrapped her up in it while having his lawyer leak juicy details to ruin her. what kind of loving freak hears a story about domestic abuse and rape being hashed out in public for everyone to gawk at and says, "wow, cool, i'm glad that happened!" or "this here is the funniest thing i've ever seen"
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Harminoff posted:The only people she brought in just repeated what she told them, nothing they saw first hand. Amber Heard’s sister testifies she saw Johnny Depp abuse her sister quote:Amber Heard’s sister testified on Wednesday that she witnessed actor Johnny Depp grab Heard by the hair and hit her in the face repeatedly when they were married. but yeah it's all a conspiracy to fake photos and lie about the good boy who never did anything wrong over the course of years, you cracked the case Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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Powerful Katrinka posted:What rules is that a liar got caught out for manufacturing weak "evidence" to back up her outrageous claims. Heard didn't document her injuries, and said that she didn't need medical attention for any of her injuries. in two sentences, you said that all of the documentation of her injuries were fake, then said she didn't document any of her injuries. this is what i mean that people will believe anything if it means they don't have to believe a victim.
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Harminoff posted:Take a look in the mirror as this is you. deny, accuse, reverse victim and offender. wifebeaters like depp do it because it works. Khorne posted:The thing she never accused Depp of until later was sexual violence. Not physical violence. The thing she "never wanted to come out", in her words, was the sexual violence. yeah, being a rape victim is still seen as shameful. someone wrote an article about that, something about society bringing their full fury down on victims when they speak out
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Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:Can't the exact same thing be said about Amber Heard? she's never denied hitting him. she didn't accuse him of anything publicly until forced, and indeed sought to hide her injuries at the time. she sought to break contact with a TRO and then a divorce, not extend it long after by launching multiple lawsuits. particularly telling is the rape accusation; it's the most salacious accusation but it didn't come up publicly in the divorce and she sought to keep it private during the UK trial.
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Scipiotik posted:Second all you have to do is watch her direct testimony and cross and see how truthful she is as she contradicts herself constantly and struggles to fake cry, which her own acting coach who heard called as a witness stated that heard cannot produce tears when fake crying but does cry tears when genuinely crying. yeah we're back to this again Cease to Hope posted:it may have been unwise to hinge her defense on speaking the truth, but i can understand why someone might think years of photos and contemporaneous reports to third parties would be more compelling than it turned out to be people will nitpick the expressions and tone of victims in ways they'll never, ever do to a rich, charismatic wifebeater
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Tenkaris posted:Do you have any personal experience with Borderline Personality Disorder and/or Histrionic Personality Disorder? i do have a lot of personal experience with people trotting out psychs to diagnose DV and rape victims that they saw briefly in order to build up a narrative of them being crazy liars, yes again, depp isn't the first or last to pull this one
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Tenkaris posted:No I meant actual personal experience not whatever you just said. yes. even if she is, which i doubt since the only psych claiming it met with her only briefly, i know that they're statistically vastly more likely to be victims of abuse than abusers. what is your point here Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:I mean thats not true, she's denied multiple incidents of hitting him. No one forced her to write the Me too OpEd, which sparked Depp's law suits, and she tried to initiated defamation arbitration before Depp filed any lawsuit. what incident of hitting him did she deny? what lawsuit did she file besides the TRO and divorce? sorry, there've already been a bunch of people saying poo poo that turned out to be blatantly false, so [citation needed] speaking of blatantly false, the claim of sexual assault came up in the UK case. it was just private, because they didn't make quite as much a spectacle of that case. it's the sealed accusations the judge mentions in the final verdict. spunkshui posted:No no he didn’t beat her for years the article was not actually wasn’t about him. no, he did totally beat her for years. the point is that the article didn't even accuse him of that. like, go back and copy one false line from that article for me Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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Butternubs posted:Maybe they were both abusive but only one of them got caught admitting it on tape. Sucks to be the dumbest abuser in the relationship. every GBS poster seeing someone hit their sister: well that's his opinion and i respect it
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spunkshui posted:Oh so everyone just refused to work with Johnny Depp after the article came out and thought he was a woman abuser for literally no reason. probably because of the pictures taken of bruises on his wife more than the op-ed that came out after he stopped getting work. plus he was famously an alcoholic and cokehead who needed someone to read him his lines over a headset and was in the middle of suing his own lawyer and agent and manager. like, if anything ruined his career, it was stories like this Billy Ray Blowjob posted:lets see how this new precedent also plays out with non white or rich women i mean, that's the reason i'm so pissed off. all this poo poo with heard fits into a long history of abusers and rapists weaponizing divorce and family and petty defamation and any other court they can think of to victimize women nobody will ever give a poo poo about. i'm not really super invested in a B-list actor who's never been in a movie that was better than just fine in particular. it just pisses me off to see everyone falling for this poo poo constantly. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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spunkshui posted:Oh come on now no one said that he wasn’t getting work because of cocaine if that was true no one in Hollywood would be working. high-functioning addicts get work, but he was not high-functioning. poo poo like this was coming out in 2008. the wifebeating was the capper on a long downward slide. Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:It trial there was evidence before JD filed any lawsuit she tried to go to arbitration, contempory article referencing it: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/johnny-depp-amber-heard-legal-documents-shed-new-light-dual-abuse-accounts-1171081/ she testified she hit him when he hit her sister, and her sister testified that happened too. the distinction is that she admitted hitting him in self-defense or defense of her sister. that is hitting someone, but isn't assault. Tenkaris posted:You seem to think we don't believe she is A victim, but what you really are mad about is we don't see her as THE victim. Just because you feel that way doesn't mean we have to? you can believe whatever tremendously stupid thing you want, it's a free country
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Tenkaris posted:As you continue to demonstrate! i mean, it's a free country as long as you don't make a veiled allusion to years of being beaten and raped by a popular and charismatic man. then all sorts of assholes crawl out of the woodwork to make your life hell Harminoff posted:How does listening to music while working make you not high-functioning? Did you even read the article or just the headline? it was an open secret that he was having his lines fed to him, which he even confirmed in 2018. the fact that he was difficult to work with was something his former agent testified about at the trial, too. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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busalover posted:So does Depp get to unban Lowtax now? he should have figured out a way to frame the accusations of abuse as an epic poop meme, he could've at least won gbs over
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Powerful Katrinka posted:How often do you hit your friends? idk none of them have spent years hitting me or tried to hit my sister. i suppose i'd have to figure out how i'd navigate that maze when i come to it. hopefully never, based on how people treat victims.
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Tarkus posted:Did Johnny really spend YEARS hitting people? from 2013 to 2016, yeah, he did didn't you ~watch the trial~
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weekly font posted:The whole point was that no one on the jury found any of her accusations credible but you can keep beating that drum I guess. not the first jury to ignore the evidence and instead decide that a DV and rape victim is a crazy liar. unfortunately, probably not the last, either.
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weekly font posted:Ah the old "the refs hosed us!" Classic. your faith in the court system is inspiring but tragically misplaced. razamataza posted:are you actually amber heard? sorry, was i bringing the epic rape meme thread down?
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Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:Actually Amber alleged it started in 2012; since the early stages of the relationship. That was after she said under oath previously it was in 2013. oh, you're right, there was another example of physical abuse i forgot. there were a lot of examples. Super Jay Mann posted:You are a dumb, stupid idiot. Super Jay Mann posted:Some people are way too eager and willing to chuck Johnny Depp into a volcano to appease the #MeToo gods man i feel terrible a guy like you dislikes me, just the worst feeling in the world
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Super Jay Mann posted:I mean you're actually worse than those folk because they're just suffering from cognitive dissonance. You're emphatically stating that things that Did Not Actually Happen actually did Happen as if it were a matter of course and not the ramblings of an unreliable abuser and liar. i've seen the darvo act before, i'll unfortunately see it again, and your variation on it isn't especially new or interesting. people will believe literally anything as long as it means they don't have to believe a powerful or rich or charismatic man abused someone. in short: Metis of the Hallways posted:hey remember how the original owner of this site used to paint all his exes as completely insane and manipulative bitches and the forum collectively ignored it until enough evidence came out that he was an abusive piece of poo poo. weird. no need to reflect on that or anything. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Big props to cease for pointing out that amber is similar to lowtax depp is the one who is similar to lowtax in this comparison. Kirk Vikernes posted:He's got a great gimmick. i know pointing out the fact that rape culture exists isn't as fun or funny as the incomparably clever poop memes you were all workshopping on each other. this sort of thing gets in the way of making jokes about the "hot/crazy matrix", sorry.
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Hamelekim posted:Even if most of what Amber said was true, she was proven to have lied about some serious and even minor stuff so her credibility was suspect. If she hadn't been caught in any lies she would have been far more credible and garnered more sympathy. It wasn't just a he said she said thing, it was audio evidence that proved her wrong. What did she lie about?
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Super Jay Mann posted:Nearly everything. Then surely you can list examples.
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Hamelekim posted:Except that Amber is the only previous romantic relationship that ever reported or testified to any sort of abuse unless I missed something in the evidence presented. So there was no previous pattern of abuse present, which is usually the case in these situations. Depp assaulted both Heard and her sister.
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Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:In court, excluding the allegations of abuse: weird, so are you saying all of those were true? they're the important things here. anyway - she pledged the money to the ACLU and donated a portion; that was put on hold when depp launched two lawsuits that were going to be quite expensive for her. this is common with donation pledges when something happens like a pair of expensive slapp lawsuits - you're looking at a video of depp threatening her and destroying their shared home and you're concerned chiefly with who leaked it. the allegations of leaking are she-said she-said - you're looking at pictures of bruises from assault and saying they're fake with no evidence other than your desire to disbelieve them - this is so vague that i'm not sure what you're referring to - this isn't a lie, just a minor inconsistency, which is pretty common when people are recalling traumatic physical abuse. how would she know the exact dollar amount of the damage anyway? Hamelekim posted:That is the allegation, but there is no evidence that he did so beyond their words. you were just saying that nobody said they saw depp abuse heard. not gonna reconsider your conclusions at all, confronted with new evidence? Super Jay Mann posted:You first. me first what, i don't think she lied. i can list all of the examples of abuse she's lying about here:
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BabyRyoga posted:Welp, i'll be a monkey's uncle, you've done it again, detective Hope! Exposing the REAL facts of the case like some kind of giant satellite that fires truth lasers from space. yeah i do rule, thank you btw i was replying specifically to people who'd been posting epic poop memes. sorry i made blatant misogyny and victim blaming less fun for them and you. it's really telling that you're just making up testimony like "Also when I said he hit me I meant he drop kicked me, took 5 steps back, then slammed me as I got back to my feet with a running, spinning lariat that gave me 3 black eyes and a bloody lip." that isn't what she alleged and it wasn't what her sister alleged. if you just make up what she said in your head, you can blame her for an infinite number of imaginary lies. i keep saying, people will believe anything as long as it lets them doubt the account of a victim of a man they're already predisposed to like. people just love the lying crazy bitch narrative. Snazzy Frocks posted:Either they had an impressive pillow fight but after all the times she claims he hit her that Australian night she should have been eating through a straw and unable to walk for example, everyone turns into a medical expert if it lets them doubt the account of a victim of a man they're already predisposed to like. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:All of those are false. donating over time is normal. she was donating in installments, then stopped when the lawsuit happened. this is what she testified to, even. heard recorded the video. a representative of tmz (which is raking it in on HEARD OWNED BY DEPP! articles btw) testified she gave it to them. it is she-said she-said. they're very similar because they were taken one after the other. what is confusing about this are you saying she was lying about depp destroying her things and spilling wine everywhere? because even he admitted he did that, and there are many witnesses to him doing it. two disorganized pictures doesn't turn a fact depp doesn't even dispute into a lie. an abuse victim felt like things were worse than they were. that's not lying, that's just a normal minor inconsistency. idk why depp chose to abuse heard and not those other women. i'm not a telepath. that's not even an inconsistency; abusers are nice to people they aren't abusing all the time. Harminoff posted:She pledged that in 2016. Plenty of time before he sued her, so I don't buy that reason. She knew it looked good and figured there would be no follow-up to it and was going to keep the money. She was wrong. pledges are routinely paid in installments and not as one lump sum. weekly font posted:actually i'm literally a medical expert so sorry if i think you're a moron when you will apparently believe that being viciously beaten only leaves you with a barely visible bruise on your forehead. bar fights that last 10 seconds before the bros pull apart show more damage gotta love a medical expert diagnosing someone they've never met so they can call her a crazy liar in two separate threads. you are the coolest person ever BabyRyoga posted:I apologize, I don't have the time to look up a transcript of the actual testimony but you're perfectly well-equipped to decide she's a liar and probably mentally ill, it seems
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