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Technowrite posted:Can the DOJ dangle a plea deal in front of Trump that basically says, "Drop out, never run for anything again, and this all goes away"? They could, but have no reason to do so. This guy has never honored a deal in his life and is represented by a lawyer who ambulance chasers look down on.
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That is I note why it's so rarely used, judges and grand juries agree that it's extremely powerful so it generally won't get charged or will get thrown out if there's not exceedingly compelling evidence of a conspiracy. In this case there's a ton of it, because he did most of this poo poo in the public view and life-tweeted MyCrimes.txt.
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Aug 15, 2023 07:29
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raminasi posted:Is there historical evidence of this actually working? What's stopping the court from taking a challenge to such a law up? The Executive and Legislative branches can pack the court at will if they're in agreement. FDR's tactic of 'you will stop stonewalling me or by God I'll just add Justices until you can't' still stands. He proposed a plan to appoint an additional Justice for every one not retired by age 70, arguing that the aging court needed more Justices to help with its caseload, because he said its members were “slow and infirm” and behind in their work. This would have allowed him to promptly handpick as many as six new judges for the bench. Today it would add two immediately (Alito and Thomas) and two more in a year (Roberts and Sotomayor).
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Aug 17, 2023 04:47
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Nitrousoxide posted:I doubt that exact date will be it. Since one of the defendants are making a request for a speedy trial the court will have to try to accommodate that since there's a constitutional right to one. I guess they could split out that defendant into their own case? Or move things a bit later for the sake of the other defendants. As far as I'm aware they can't split it under RICO charges, because they're collective rather than individual.
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Aug 24, 2023 21:41
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IT BURNS posted:Did he have a stroke? The left side of his face looks droopy. He's 77 and has had a slew of cosmetic work and botox done, it's amazing he can move his face at all at this point.
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Aug 27, 2023 14:34
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BiggerBoat posted:So, assuming Trump is found guilty on let's say 1/3 of this poo poo, 30 charges. Does it matter? In Georgia he'll serve at least 5 years, and given he's 77 and not in great health I can't imagine he lives much more than that when denied his narcissistic fix of the spotlight.
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Aug 28, 2023 06:05
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Main Paineframe posted:The Insurrection Clause has always been deeply, deeply sensitive to political considerations. When it was first written, most of the southern states were under military rule and had no real political representation, and ultimately had to be forced into ratifying it. But once the former Confederate states had their national political power restored, there was a significant political incentive for people with national political ambitions to cozy up to the ex-Confederates. Meanwhile, enforcing policies like these turned out to be extremely difficult, as the states had zero interest in cooperating, the federal court system was lukewarm about the whole thing, and several Supreme Court justices at the time were known to be skeptical of the government's Reconstruction policies for one reason or another. In the end, the Insurrection Clause was essentially abandoned for political reasons, rendered toothless by large-scale amnesties within four years of the 14th Amendment's ratification - before most of the numerous cases filed for or against it could make their way through the courts. Didn't help that the President at the time, the roundly criticized Andrew Johnson, was a Confederate sympathizer despite opting to stay in the Senate when they seceded, who immediately sabotaged the Reconstruction the moment Lincoln was cold. Funny story, he hated the 14th too, and was impeached but missed conviction by a single vote for trying to restore the pre-war status quo and backdoor repeal the emancipation of slaves by denying them civil rights.
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Sep 11, 2023 07:44
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If Trump were either brown or not immensely wealthy he'd have been in jail since like the 90s. If any of the people involved here weren't of the social class and ingroup the laws are explicitly written to serve best, they'd be serving indefinite sentences for terrorism in a federal pen somewhere.
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Sep 17, 2023 23:36
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Main Paineframe posted:No, but not because it's a crime (hell, I don't think murder is even a federal crime). It's because the executive branch doesn't have the legal authority to commit a premeditated summary execution of an American citizen without any due process. Yet they do it all the time, usually under the color of law enforcement action. See Michael Reinoehl for an example under the President in question, who publicly lauded the federal officers who gunned him down in a gangland hit.
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Oct 12, 2023 13:36
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Murgos posted:The remedy exists. Revoke his bail. It won’t cause any more problems than already exists. All it will do is bring it to the surface faster so it can be dealt with. It's this. Literally any other defendant you can think of would be cooling their heels in a cell by now.
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Nov 22, 2023 06:05
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BigHead posted:The primary argument Trump made isn't whether or not he participated in an insurrection. The primary argument he's making is that the president is not an "officer of the United States." That clause of the 14th Amendment only applies to officers (and senators and representatives). The hilarious part is that he, as recently as July this year, used the argument that he was a federal officer to justify trying to move a case against him from other jurisdictions to the DC circuit federal courts. Edit: Specifically People of NY vs Trump, and K&D LLC v. Trump Old Post Office, LLC in 2020 when his hotel was getting sued for unfair business practices. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Dec 20, 2023 |
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haveblue posted:The president commands the military but is not himself part of the military and doesn't have a military rank; commander-in-chief is his role but that's not the same thing Problem being it's not a majority of the country that backs this. Trump voters were 22% of eligible voters in 2016 and he lost the popular vote by over 3 million votes despite winning the electoral college.
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Dec 22, 2023 08:35
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Caros posted:Don't worry, I've been assured that trump would never repeatedly name and threaten a federal judge in the 'won't someone rid me of this meddlesome judge' fashion. I suspect she's not because there's a legitimate chance some y'all-queda idiot tries to kill her to delay the trial.
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Staluigi posted:I'm all about leaving myself open to the possibility that he is truly actually dumb enough to do this to himself until he dies Can you imagine the sheer schadenfreude of seeing him croak of apoplexy mid-verdict and then his kids' face when the estate still gets raked over the coals for punitive damages?
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Nitrousoxide posted:Yeah, my parents did this for me too when I was young. And later got me to apply for a low credit ceiling card and had me use it for everything and immediately pay it off to generate a good credit history. Also, and this is very important, if you use it for online purchases and someone manages to scam it, you can report it and it'll be the CC company's money they're going after to get back rather than yours. Better in every way than debit cards. Milosh posted:It’s great that our legal system just lets people with money delay things infinitely. Note the Texas AG has managed to dodge going to trial for indictment on two counts of securities fraud (first degree felonies) and one count of failure to register with state regulators (3rd degree felony) for nine years and counting. His indictment was on 31 July 2015. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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small butter posted:Even if Trump manages to delay the cases past the election, you're severely underestimating just how bad it is for a candidate to be under 4 felony indictments. This means that he also has no chance to claim "exoneration," while the Democrats can claim "he's a loving criminal with 4 cases against him." I think the more telling part is the number of GOP House members quitting early or announcing they're not going to run. Comstar posted:Wouldn't they just redact everything leaving you with some black striped paper and a big Secret Stamp on it that's all you can see. Well, yes, but isn't that rather obvious as to what's up under the PRA? Classified intel can't, after all, be purely personal documents, and if Trump magically declassified them then there's no reason to redact or keep them out of the public record. 
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Mar 19, 2024 06:57
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Main Paineframe posted:If the president is assassinating members of Congress, then I at that point "does the law give presidents immunity from prosecution?" is kind of a pointless question. Murderous dictators who rule with an iron fist and the absolute loyalty of the military tend not to care very much what the letter of the law says. Yes, now you understand why absolute immunity isn't a reasonable thing to even consider.
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Deteriorata posted:They signed onto it because it's completely unexplored jurisprudence where current SC members can put a permanent stamp into the history books. It's catnip. I'm sure Trump's lawyer will be struggling hard to figure out where Gini Thomas wants to go on vacation this year.
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Randalor posted:And once again I find myself asking... Trump KNOWS that he's not the president RIGHT NOW, and "just" the political rival. If the Supreme Court does say "A president has full immunity from everything they do in office", there's nothing stopping Biden from ordering Seal Team Six to take out Trump. Do you honestly think he considers the decorum-poisoned Dems a threat? He figures they'd never do a drat thing with it, then he can use it when he gets back in to do All The Crimes. Uglycat posted:I get that there's legal precedence that soldiers have a duty to disobey such orders, but is there any precedence of soldiers actually refusing such orders? Yes. Most soldiers aren't interested in getting themselves thrown in Leavenworth to spend their future making big rocks into little rocks if 'Just Following Orders' doesn't carry at a court martial. Plus they're generally not all that ride or die MAGA. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Mar 21, 2024 |
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TLM3101 posted:I'm going to surface from lurking to point out that the above is my personal position; Those who have amassed wealth and the power that inevitably follows with it, or simply reached the lofty heights of influence and position where their decisions can impact the lives of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions of people should absolutely be held to a higher standard than your neighborhood grocer. What's that hoary old Marvel Comics adage? 'With great power, comes great responsibility'. When you are sufficiently rich (and adored by outright domestic terrorists) that you can destroy someone's life if you feel like it simply by social media comments, then yes, you need to be held to a higher standard of behavior than Joe Public. Don't forget, this is a guy who talked his way into an open insurrection that managed to get onto the floor of the Congressional chambers. It is absolutely not idle speech when he pulls a 'will no one rid me of this turbulent priest' with a judge or their family.
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Oracle posted:This was extremely common back in the day, to the point bibles were printed with blank family trees ready to be filled in, either at the ends or directly in the middle. It was often the only book families owned and the only proof of identity in more far flung areas (courthouse fires and the like were depressingly common before modern construction regulations and resulted in a lot of record loss. I know my English Irish and German ancestors kept them for instance. Yep, really common in Catholic families. I've got my family Bible, and it's got info back to when my Dad's side emigrated from Germany in the 1800's.
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Apr 1, 2024 21:58
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Small White Dragon posted:This has probably been discussed a bunch already, but.... is that actually legal? The SCOTUS is likely to say so, and Sotomeyer isn't making it four more years so chances are by 2028 there's a least one more Federalist Society judge on the bench to give it the nod.
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Apr 5, 2024 02:48
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Goatse James Bond posted:what on earth makes you think Sotomayor is on the brink of death She's a 70 year old lifelong Type 1 diabetic who's already had at least one publicly known instance of having paramedics called out to treat a low blood sugar emergency despite the best available medical care. She is working a demanding and stressful job. The chances of a major health episode in the next five years are not inconsiderable.
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Apr 5, 2024 19:08
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Ynglaur posted:And thank you for your service, too. Sitting on the jury on a cop's case won't matter so long as qualified immunity still exists. No reason not to, but temper your expectations. Hieronymous Alloy posted:If Trump actually does have 175 million in cash why doesn't he post that himself instead of arranging a bond for the same amount Trump, miss an opportunity to gently caress someone else's money over? Never.
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Apr 16, 2024 23:26
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LeeMajors posted:That is true but you’ve got a gradient of burns out from the full thickness portions. Yeah, my best friend did burn therapy in a top tier burn center for a while, and has determined the precise point where they'd prefer to be killed rather than live to see treatment. Major burns are unbelievably bad.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I don’t want to be rude or derail-y, but I really wanna know when that is now. Anything over 50% body coverage full-thickness, 30% if it's primarily the torso/head.
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Apr 23, 2024 14:32
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is the answer. American laws are deliberately written such as to only deter the poor. Yep. If the punishment for an offense is a fine, it's only a crime for the poor. For the rich it's the cost of doing business.
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Apr 24, 2024 20:20
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Rust Martialis posted:Merchan might be delaying giving Trump a custodial punishment because there's nowhere to put an ex-President in the klink. Leavenworth is set up for it, but if that's not secure enough we still have prisoners in Guantanamo Bay...
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Apr 30, 2024 00:59
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Professor Beetus posted:I do because fines should be commensurate on one's ability to pay them. Otherwise fines are completely meaningless as a punitive measure. I mean yes, this is the legal system working as currently designed. Fines are meant to keep certain things the privilege of the rich.
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May 1, 2024 20:50
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Caros posted:Is there even any real value to lose at truth social? I thought most of the costs are just execs. Can't really see them missing debt payments when the majority of their costs are staffing. 90% of silicon valley is companies with zero real value and a pile of venture capital investment just in case they turn out to be the next Paypal. Uber, to use an example, posted its first profitable year in 2023. It was founded in 2009.
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More if Trump admits to it unprompted in court. Which is... not unlikely.
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