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Who's your 2022 MVP? This poll is closed. |
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| Shohei Ohtani |
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50 | 59.52% |
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19 | 22.62% |
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15 | 17.86% |
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I think Cincinatti got more base runners in the first game than Tampa got in the whole, 24 inning series.
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Oct 8, 2022 22:10
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[deep inhale] So the Jays are in a lot better position going into this offseason as compared to last. All the key pieces are in place, they're not facing any huge losses like they did with Ray and Semien, and so they can focus entirely on adding.
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Oct 9, 2022 01:25
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FlamingLiberal posted:They’ll probably be better next year Gausman also had a mysteriously awful BABIP year. I assume they're not gonna just run it back because with Kirk/Jansen/Moreno at catcher they're probably going to be making at least one pretty significant trade. Other than just adding a fifth starter (assuming that Ryu spends the year in fake-retirement and they don't try Kikuchi again), they can upgrade at LF and 2B. This year feels like a left tail result for these players. Next year looks like it could and should be a The Year.
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Oct 9, 2022 01:36
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I'm not sure what the Jays could reasonably do to improve their pitching. They paid for good-sized contracts with Ryu and Berrios, Ryu is out and is a question mark for next season, and Berrios wasn't good. Pearson was supposed to be their #1 Prospect, but he'll never pitch another inning at the major league level. The pitching just isn't there, and without pitching, there's nothing. Pearson is a write off but a Manoah-Gausman-Berrios top 3 is in principle a championship caliber rotation, and you add Stripling to that and I think they're in the conversation for the best top 4 (though probably a step behind the Houstons of the league). The bullpen is okay to fine, and I think in principle good enough, but it would be pretty good if they could use the offseason (and maybe either Kirk or Moreno as the main piece in a trade) to bring back a top-level elite guy.
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Oct 9, 2022 01:47
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Arivia posted:What happened to Pearson? I think he just TINSTAPPed.
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Oct 9, 2022 01:54
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Arivia posted:I don’t know what that means. "There is no such thing as a pitching prospect." Term popularized with Moneyball to capture how pitching prospects just randomly burn out for no particular reason. While the understanding of pitching prospects has expanded greatly since then, you do still sometimes get guys like Pearson who accumulate a bunch of injuries that just kind of sap their effectiveness.
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Oct 9, 2022 02:16
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R.D. Mangles posted:i don't want to be rude but if a team i root for lost like the jays did today i would become a batman villain. Do you have any idea what Toronto sports is like? Like, on aggregate. This is nothing.
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Oct 9, 2022 02:34
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https://twitter.com/ThomasHall85/status/1579898703368060928?s=20&t=3QMDUfjhmvWpGV700wUIYg Sounds like another rotation spot opened up. Unfortunate to lose Stripling but should be survivable easily enough.
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Oct 11, 2022 20:21
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Ya i wouldn't want to do that. We're already stuck with Kikuchi and Ryu. If they add a starter they're going to trade Kirk or Moreno for one I guess they can plan to have Ryu, Kikuchi and White rotate through the fifth starter spot at least to start the season. Maybe one of them even sticks. But yeah a catcher trade is likely coming in some form.
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Oct 13, 2022 03:07
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LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:I thought it was incredibly unlikely Ryu even pitches next year? Oh, was it? I thought he was just out for the season. If he is officially cooked for next year that probably makes things much easier, since there's no longer pressure to keep a rotation spot open for the 20 million dollar contract.
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Oct 13, 2022 03:14
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What would an Ohtani trade package look like? I feel like the Jays have at least the start of one in something like Moreno/Tiedemann/Gurriel but it's been a long time since I've paid such close attention to either the Jays' farm system or prospect trade values more generally.
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Oct 18, 2022 19:42
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Sydin posted:My guess is the Angels would want a king's ransom under the expectation that anybody who trades for Ohtani is immediately going to go all in to extend him long term. Soto-level returns as a baseline, would be my guess. This goes back to me not understanding prospect values. I'm with you that the trade would take a king's ransom. I just don't have a good feel on just how much the Jays would have to put together to ransom King Ohtani. I mean it obviously starts with Kirk/Moreno because that's the best trade piece they have to offer. And then Tiedemann is their next best prospect (I think) and Gurriel is a decent player being displaced. The question is, I guess, how much more and how good would the Jays have to add to that. (And, I guess similarly, what's the trade value of guys like Orelvis Martinez.)
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Oct 18, 2022 20:09
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Gorman Thomas posted:Re Ohtani trade, I wouldn't be surprised if the Angels tried to package him with Rendon for a reduced prospect package. Looking at you Yankees... What's the deal with Rendon, anyway? Death by injury?
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Oct 20, 2022 18:53
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I guess Schneider didn't manage himself out of a job against the Mariners. https://twitter.com/BlueJays/status/1583448307031949313?s=20&t=Mm532LdtoVxm9YJs4BNGDw
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Oct 21, 2022 15:26
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Popete posted:Who was the last old manager that just retired and stayed away? Jim Leyland? I think this might depend on how you think of Cito Gaston.
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Oct 21, 2022 18:31
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Some Numbers posted:who? Easton McGee
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Nov 11, 2022 23:12
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1592909180351954944 I understand this trade more than I like it.
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Nov 16, 2022 17:14
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Gerblederp posted:I really thought Gurriel would be the outfielder that goes So did I. I would assume that they have some sort of follow up plan since they are theoretically trying to compete. And maybe they really think that 2022 Hernandez is more the future than 2021 or 2020, which means he wouldn't be so irreplaceable. But it also really looks like, as darude - adam sandstorm wrote, this is first and foremost a cost cutting move. At least they got another middle reliever.
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Nov 16, 2022 17:24
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:https://twitter.com/ShiDavidi/status/1592953081612087296 It's Whit Merrifield's time to shine!
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Nov 16, 2022 20:00
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Hell yeah to Alek Manoah.
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Nov 17, 2022 05:43
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Inspector_666 posted:They should absolutely not be trading Kirk from that trio, either. It's not the wildest idea. It's definitely a bit of a risk to commit to Moreno like that in the offseason, but if you're right combination of high on Moreno and low on Kirk's defence, and then the trade return for Kirk is right, there's definitely worlds where you can justify it.
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Nov 17, 2022 16:05
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people really gotta chill about the Astros
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Nov 19, 2022 02:08
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"Nobody thinks about baseball quite like Joe Maddon" is one of those sentences that permits multiple interpretations.
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Nov 25, 2022 19:06
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/Reds/status/1597598163736879104 I saw Annex advertising this and like nobody knew who he was. e:https://www.facebook.com/groups/172335039452033/permalink/6052440688108076/
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Nov 29, 2022 15:42
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Chief McHeath posted:The HOF is above all else a museum, right? Museums exist to teach both the good and bad parts of history. Keep all the old criminals and bigots in, keep the new criminals and bigots out and use their faults and how they were overlooked in the past and less overlooked later to exhibit the cultural change surrounding and within the sport. I don’t personally consider PED or suspected PED usage criminal in that type of context and if the numbers say they should go in then they should. Induction into the HoF is supposed to honour the person which means it isn't simply a museum. It's bound up with various ideas about what baseball is supposed to be about, and what virtues baseball players are supposed to display. I think the cases for keeping out Bonds and Clemens are still naff, but I think the background ideas are at least (potentially) coherent. (This is also putting aside some of the trickier issues that museums face even when they're presenting "mere" history.)
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Dec 5, 2022 16:42
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That seems to line up pretty well with the Yankees as a team falling apart, right?
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Dec 7, 2022 04:43
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Blue Jays signed Kevin Kiermaier but I haven't seen any terms released This is much more exciting if he's a Bradley Zimmer replacement.
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Dec 10, 2022 20:58
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What's a Chris Bassitt and what does it do?
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Dec 12, 2022 22:38
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The Berzerker posted:I mean, that's par for the course this offseason, it seems. Bassitt as #3 behind Manoah and Gausman is pretty solid, I think. Berrios at 4 and then... whatever they do for 5. Who knows, maybe Tiedemann can work his way up quickly. I would expect Berrios to enter the season ahead of Bassitt in the rotation, with the idea that whatever was up with him last year was something capital-W Weird and they've fixed it through the offseason. After that, while it wouldn't be my first choice, I wouldn't be surprised if they enter the season with Kikuchi penciled in at 5 with the idea that they'll give him and Mitch White a few starts each before reaching for Tiedemann.
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Dec 12, 2022 23:25
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So I assume nobody outside of Toronto was paying attention last year when Mark Shapiro stuck his dick into local politics but some more information came out today and, well, it's a fun one. https://twitter.com/matttomic/status/1605256171249696768?s=20&t=XdvbeGrHOTEir6k4-ZATuw https://twitter.com/matttomic/status/1605264017941037057?s=20&t=XdvbeGrHOTEir6k4-ZATuw
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Dec 20, 2022 19:18
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I mean, any actual effects are not as important as this being yet another front in the War on Cars. It's the same poo poo as the guy on King Street claiming that the streetcar lane had killed his business when all the data said that business was up for literally everyone in the area. I'm curious to see what sort of fan blowback this gets Shapiro because I think there's a very real possibility (no idea how significant, mind you) this forces him out.
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Dec 20, 2022 19:53
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Sydin posted:MLB Offseason: There's no collusion... but- I think we already have that thread title.
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Dec 22, 2022 18:31
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Gerblederp posted:Blue Jays successfully got worse over the off-season good job Shatkins. Just as well they had so much lined up when they traded Teoscar Hernandez.
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Dec 23, 2022 17:51
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Shapiro should stick to politics. That trade is perplexing.
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Dec 23, 2022 22:56
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Trading a top 5 prospect for a league average bat is just loving insane Like, the Hernandez comp is bad enough but so far he seems like a far worse hitter then Gurriel (and also, as I said, has a pronounced platoon split). e: Varsho, 2022 on his good split: 240/317/484 Gurriel 2022 overall: 291/343/400 They're betting really hard on this guy having a Bautista-like breakout.
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Dec 23, 2022 23:08
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Outfield defence is the story the team is going with, I suppose. Can't say I'm very convinced. At absolute minimum you would expect better value on the trades. https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1606406246009118733?s=20&t=O60-8H0rPn15jIm7y2kwSw
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Dec 23, 2022 23:19
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The Berzerker posted:Probably Mitch White first and if he sucks they go to Kikuchi and pray Tiedeman moves up fast I suspect they give Kikuchi first shot but yeah the plan seems to be to give Kikuchi and White a shot first which doesn’t seem like the worst idea on its own. Maybe would be nice to have some more bodies between them and Tiedemann.
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Dec 23, 2022 23:53
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R.D. Mangles posted:who the hell is this guy Kay was the Jays' main trade return for Marcus Stroman. Shapiro justified the trade against fan discontent by saying that fans didn't appreciate the years of control the team had acquired. It's like poetry. It rhymes.
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Dec 24, 2022 00:57
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The guy who designed one of the only good parts of the Skydome died. https://twitter.com/BlueJays/status/1611535909396295682?s=20&t=Eb3lU71uf4iHHvaoDkR1iw
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Jan 7, 2023 18:01
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Tony Phillips posted:I've never seen that before at all and it's cool as hell. Those statues were on the north-facing corners of the Dome so it's what would greet you as you walked across the bridges from downtown.
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