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What do you think of the new international distribution deal?
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Hate it 12 16.90%
REALLY hate it 16 22.54%
Hello, my name is Bob Chapek 43 60.56%
Total: 71 votes
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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Open Source Idiom posted:

No, I don't think they do, but it's been a while. If I recall correctly the implication is that Japan (and Cambodia) were both colonised by different castes of the same alien collective, and they're the ones who gave various Asian cultures their cultural heritage.

The Benny play with Egypt is closer to what you'd hope for. Egypt already has a thriving culture, including access to interstellar travel(!?), before the Osirians turned up and usurped the local culture.

There's also a play that said that Indigenous Australian culture, including native flora and fauna, was explicitly brought here by an alien terraforming device. When the planet was under threat (I think it might be same solar flare incident that's part of the backstory for Ark In Space and The Sontaran Experiment, though that might be fanon) the alien terraformjng device reabsorbed all indigenous culture and launched itself back into space.

That terraforming device? Uluru

That second one is Dreamtime I think, which is one of the first Big Finish stories I heard. It's not great on a number of levels.

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Plus it was a way for the author to shoehorn his bird aliens from Sandman into another story where they added basically nothing

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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OldMemes posted:

Dreamtime also had a big narrative issue - it's Hex's first TARDIS trip, and a companion's reaction to it sets up a lot of their character development. It's incoherent as to what is going on and Hex ends up having very little to actually do.

Yeah that's a huge shame as I bloody loved Hex's initial reactions to everything in The Harvest are fun. Dan Abnett wrote a fun story there.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Dabir posted:

No hold on, I think we can fix this with a very minor rewrite

I mean, the Doc is a big fan of Churchill and he was a massive massive racist. In many respects he makes Thatcher look benevolent.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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As long as RTD doesn't get so burned out he can't write properly I think it'll be alright.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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armpit_enjoyer posted:

That would require writers to engage with the core concept of the Cybermen and thus far nobody but Steven Moffat seemed willing to do it (and even then he got bored with it halfway through The Doctor Falls)

I watched Earthshock the other night and it struck me just how... badly the Cybermen get handled even in what's considered their best TV stories. They're just Guys in Suits in their later appearances. Their whole concept works only when you acknowledge and explore the fact that despite what has been done to them, they're still people, not just interchangeable drones.

Yeah they're just a huge missed opportunity whenever they're on TV. I suspect the main issue is that the properly affecting stuff about them is the body horror which you can't really do at 7pm in an ostensibly family show. The best you can manage is James Corden being forced to wear a hat.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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OldMemes posted:

Rosa was disappointing because Malorie Blackman writing Doctor Who should have been great, but it was so clunky and mawkish. If they wanted to do a racism episode, it should have been the Bristol Bus Boycott, an important part of modern British history that doesn't get talked about.

Whittaker's run is so frustrating, because you can tell she's giving it her all, but the writing is tying one hand behind her back. I don't think we ever really see her show disgust, or the odd ruthless action, which is an important emotion for the character. The only one I can think of is when she snaps at Yaz for being too over familiar and asking about the Time Lords and the Doctor's history.

The standout part of Rosa is that the threat is just "a racist guy". It's great how they set it all up and oh, the antagonist is just a future space Nazi, there's nothing special about him, he's got no agenda beyond racism.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Rochallor posted:

It also really undercuts the libbish "naming an asteroid after Rosa Parks ended racism forever" message because clearly, no it didn't, this guy's from the future and he sucks!

Yeah, for all the mawkishness that the episode devolves into (and SOME of it is earned because goddamn it Bradley Walsh sells it), the underlying message is "this event was significant but it did not delete racism from the universe and we still need to deal with it".

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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It's good, if clunky. I love that the BBC let him make this.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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BooDooBoo posted:

They got the budget of a more expensive show, Maid Marian And Her Merry Men, because the creator of that show made took a year-off to do a Bible show instead.

I believe there was a time-factor involved as well, any other year it wouldn't have got made.

Wait we got that show because Tony Robinson went to walk around desert locales retelling bible stories? Blood and Honey is indirectly responsible for the 2005 reboot? That's amazing. I remember that show being on on Saturday or Sunday mornings and I watched it because I was a kid and the funny Blackadder man was on telly.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Fair Bear Maiden posted:

He did a good job with Good Omens, but he's not nearly as famous as his son, Ty Tennant, let's be honest.

EDIT: I'm learning now that he married the daughter of the 5th Doctor? Sounds to me like he got the role through nepotism.

I know this is sacrelige at this point but I really think Peter Serafinowicz did a better Crowley.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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I had a nagging feeling in the back of my mind that Gomez had been in a Big Finish pre-Missy and I was right. She's in the 7th doctor serial "Valhalla" which I remember being pretty alright and has a pretty great cast of solid British character actors - Philip Jackson, Duncan Wisbey and Susannah York is a hell of a list.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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LividLiquid posted:

I was so ready to love the guy after those two episodes and then I saw his first episode or two of The Late Late Show and I'm entirely unsurprised he's the one who killed that long-running franchise dead.

How someone thought that Corden could replace Ferguson is beyond me.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Sydney Bottocks posted:


Pertwee: could be a bit egotistical at times, and also somewhat obsessed with money (per T. Baker)



Barry Letts' autobiography covers some of his behaviour during Who - the specifics elude me now, I need to read it again, but I definitely got the impression that Pertwee would take anything that wasn't nailed down and would "borrow" costumes and props for paid personal apperances. The combination of doing his best to appear as an upper class fopp while also acting like his character on The Navy Lark is extremely funny.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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DoctorWhat posted:

Colin Baker got dinged for serial reckless driving a little while ago, which is a very serious thing for me personally.

I'm fairly sure he's also pro brexit, which is a fairly serious thing for me.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

What we observe about the universe isn't incompatible with it being infinite (proving that it is is, obviously, a bit more challenging)

It being infinite doesn't mean there's infinite STUFF in it though.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Edward Mass posted:

This kind of thinking leads one to believe that the amount of intelligent life in the universe is zero, because the size of the universe relative to the amount of life makes intelligent life a rounding error.

Only if you're prepared to use the one data point we have of star systems where we've checked intelligent life exists and extrapolate that to the approx 200 billion trillion stars in the universe, which is extremely bad science however you slice it.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

Justifying where there's something here while there's nothing essentially anywhere is very challenging - finite/finite vs infinite/infinite is much easier

But we can justify that there's something here by dint of something being here. How big the space that "here" occupies is absolutely open to speculation until we've measured it.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Daleks should constantly be falling apart due to infighting over degrees of ideological purity. We've had that happen, what, twice? The civil war in the late 80s that spanned a few serials and in the awful Daleks in Manhattan.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Jerusalem posted:

I loved it in Journey's End when Davros returns and has the Doctor captive and is lording it up over his ultimate upcoming triumph etc.... and the Doctor almost immediately figures out that the Daleks have ALREADY gotten sick of Davros and shoved him in the basement like an embarrassing family secret. Davros' awkward,"...we have.... an arrangement...." was perfect.

Julian Bleach does a very good job walking that fine line, keeping Davros teetering on the brink of about five different forms of insanity at once. I particularly liked his delivery of "The Reality Bomb" as though of COURSE he's created a device that will destroy reality itself.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Open Source Idiom posted:

Good Dalek Stories
Jubilee
Terror Firma (not standalone)
The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield Volume 1
Dalek Empire 1 - 3
The Elite


Good Cybermen Stories
Spare Parts
Legend of the Cybermen (not a standalone story, it's the final part of a four story arc)
The Crystal of Cantus (not standalone)
The Silver Turk
The Tyrants of Logic
Warzone/Conversion
Blood and Silver


I have to take issue with Terror Firma being a good Dalek story. Quite apart from it being a Joe Lidster Miseryporn Extravaganza (complete with utterly needless retconning just to make things a bit more miserable) I don't think it does much interesting with the Daleks, does it?

Edit: I'd add The Harvest to the Cyberman list, it does a few fun things with the Cyberman concept and also is just a fun action romp (and I always liked Hex and this is his first outing).

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Edward Mass posted:

Has there ever been a story about the patent on Cybermen, and how Mondas should sue all the other Cyber-converters? I’ve always wanted to see Doctor Who meets Terry Gilliam’s Brazil.

Sadly I think Spare Parts establishes that the cyber conversion effort was a government project and no one claimed a patent before the whole "convert the entire populace and attempt to take over the universe" thing happened. I assume Lumic got himself a bunch of patents over in Pete's World so presumably he could have decided to sue the prime universe Cybermen

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Warthur posted:

Then there's the Celestial Toymaker, who is dressed as Fu Manchu for no reason, and could happily have a total redesign to get away from tbat, but never gets one in tie-in media.

Apparently "celestial" was a term used for Chinese immigrants back in the 19th century so it manages to be even more racist than is immediately obvious.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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TinTower posted:

Jeremy Clarkson was still keeping the racist version of Eeny Meeny Miney Moe alive as recently as the 2010s; nothing the BBC loves more than racism.

(Except noncery, I guess.)

Come on now, he did eventually get fired for punching an Irishman

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Doctor Spaceman posted:

State of Decay is good, solid, classic Who and Warrior's Gate is one of the most enjoyably weird stories they've done. I've got a lot of nostalgia for that period because it's some of the first stuff I saw (I began with Nightmare on Eden during one of ABC's reruns in the 90s) but even putting that aside there's some great stuff.

Bidmead's tenure as script editor results in some really wild poo poo considering his "let's make it more sciency" approach includes a cactus clone man and a giant vampire.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Timby posted:

The BBC has announced an 18-disc Blu-ray box set of the first four seasons of the revival (plus all the specials from that era).

Kind of interested to see how the video upscaling will look, since the show shot on video until the Year of Specials, when they made the jump (on Planet of the Dead specifically, if memory serves) to HD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROmYsnvp8DQ

I thought they didn't retool until Matt Smith debuted? Either way, I agree, be interesting to see how they make it look ok

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Edward Mass posted:

I'm not sure what the endgame of this conversation is, we all know there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

Everyone has a line, and what posters are suggesting here is it is good if that line is set before "knowingly funding anti trans hate groups".

You can't be certain of what you're funding with a lot of purchases, you CAN be certain if you put money in JK Rowling's pockets it WILL hurt people.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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PriorMarcus posted:

I might sound pretty close minded by admitting this but as a massive fan of the book I absolutely can NOT bring myself to watch the show because of a single casting choice.

I love everything about the casting of Good Omens, and think I'd enjoy it a lot, but I just can't tolerate Jack Whitehall.

LIke, he's presence literally craters any interest I have in the show. From 100 to 0.

I am in a very similar boat, but I watched it anyway and Newt has enough of a blank slate of a personality beyond "unlucky" that Whitehall doesn't ruin it. I still don't know how he keeps getting given chances, it really doesn't make any sense. I mean aside from his dad being a massively influential agent and producer.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee were all well established names before they took on the role. Hartnell had carved out a niche in movies as "grumpy authority figure", he's literally the Sergeant of Carry On Sergeant. Troughton had been all over TV, and Pertwee was massive just from The Navy Lark, even if he hadn't also been in a ton of films (including three Carry On films). Really it's more notable when the new Who is someone out of relative obscurity like Tom Baker or Matt Smith (who had obviously done stuff before but nothing even arguably on the level of recognition of Who).

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Timby posted:

He was also the co-star of Basic Instinct 2: Risk Addiction! :quagmire:

What the hell is this cast doing in this movie? Like, basically all of them could do better than this.

Edit: Ok, not Stan Collymore

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Dabir posted:

I've never heard of any of them except Stone and Morrissey. And I only know Stone from Basic Instinct 1.

Rampling has been in film since the 60s, she's got over 100 films on her IMDB list and she was the reverend mother in the recent Dune adaptation. David Thewlis has a similarly long and storied history, biggest profile thing is probably as Ares in Wonder Woman but I know him best for punching Jim Davidson in the face. Indira Varma was Suzie in Torchwood and was in Rome as well and is in general, really really good. Hugh Dancy was Will Graham in Hannibal.

I probably didn't need to snip the entire cast list but there's a significant bunch of people (including Stone) that deserved better than a cash in sequel released 14 years after the original with none of the original creators aside from Stone involved.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Open Source Idiom posted:

Subtract incest, remove killer/suicidal house.

The_Doctor posted:

I… don’t remember incest? :stonklol:

Did... did someone gently caress a loom and I missed it?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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armpit_enjoyer posted:

I maintain that the only time that Time Lords were done correctly was at the very end of the War Games, where they’re exceedingly powerful and clearly terrifying to the Doctor. They aren’t given much exposition, they’re just there, borderline malevolent and clearly beyond anything Jamie or Zoe can comprehend.

The next time we see them is in the Three Doctors, where they’re just regular guys, lazy and incompetent as the rest of the universe.

I quite liked them during Pertwee's tenure. You know, that time that one of them just popped into existence wearing a suit and a bowler hat, politely dispensed exposition and then popped out again. It was like something out of the Avengers.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Chibnall struck me as someone writing a wiki entry about a show rather than writing a show.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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I'll always be disappointed they rolled back the 8th doctor range from the weirdness they were going for post Zagreus. They decided to capitalise on the rebooted series by going back to "normal", which I understand but it seems like it would have been a more interesting road where they were going.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Open Source Idiom posted:

No cannibalism*, no black magic(!?), no new Doctors other than ones already previously created before the show came back (so Arrabella Weir would be fine).

*not even implying that, say, some biscuits miiiight be made of people.

I'm trying to think if Nekromantea falls foul of any of these and yes, of course it does because the witches rip the doctors head off and eat his body. I'm not spoilering that because Nekromantea is hot garbage that no one should listen to.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Confusedslight posted:

Two of my favourite things. "Something so bad the tardis ran away?" "Yes" "well then we go and kick it's arse" and seeing Kate Stewart and David tennants doctor together.

Yeah Donna being Maximum Donna is exactly what I wanted to see.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Zaroff posted:

This was my biggest issue with the Series 11 historicals. Both Rosa and The Witchfinders really didn’t need their forced sci-fi elements and could have worked well as pure historical.

There was something at least a little bit interesting in Rosa's villain being just a racist thug from the future.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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howe_sam posted:

Going mostly from memory, I feel like while season 9 has the worst season long arc of the Capaldi era, the worst episodes are in season 8?

Sounds about right. My view may be tainted by having to cremate both my parents over the last two years, absolutely gently caress you for that needless bit of flavour text and the loving Cyber Brig, STEVEN.

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Pollyanna posted:

Doctor Who is very hit or miss, so maybe I should just grab specific episodes from series 9? Or are they all worth a watch?

You could skip the Zygon episodes I guess, or honestly the opening two parter (though you probably shouldn't). Sleep No More is probably the most divisive episode that season but I like it.

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