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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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euphronius posted:Biden survived losing Ukraine without much added negativity no regular people give a poo poo about maintaining american imperialism in israel or ukraine or anywhere else, they care about their daily life and lovely material circumstances if biden sent everyone five thousand bucks in october he'd win in november by a landslide regardless of whether israel kills every last palestinian in the entire world as it is nobody's getting the pay off that white people were getting in the post-war period so they're back to caring about human rights and poo poo
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Feb 7, 2024 19:29
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man a country without an organized left is really just ripe for the ruling class to force the entire population to die for them with like no resistance huh
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Feb 8, 2024 10:28
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my bony fealty posted:What was the tipping point where Soviet leadership became infected with liberalism that led all the way down to where we are today Pretty much, yeah.
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Feb 10, 2024 23:11
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Egg Moron posted:The increasing frankness of the assessment in Ukraine on the part of the western media is interesting I feel like they're just getting on board with abandoning ukraine and moving the focus to israel and taiwan. I don't think the media has a lot of people who think materialistically about any of this stuff, I'm sure they all legitimately thought that the Russian state was going to collapse because it couldn't handle resistance from it's dipshit neighbor with the poorest economy in europe and I'm sure they've all been doing the liberal ideological discipline of convincing themselves that Ukraine was winning this whole time because that's what they were supposed to believe. I wouldn't use western media as an indicator of much more than where the empire's current ideological focus is going to be, in either a positive or oppositional way. That said I really do hope that Ukraine is getting ready to collapse soon and end this stupid war, but I honestly feel like the complacent liberal population is going to allow itself to be subject to at least one more wave of death for no gain whatsoever before they actually start giving a poo poo. Flournival Dixon has issued a correction as of 13:38 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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Feb 12, 2024 13:30
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Flournival Dixon posted:That said I really do hope that Ukraine is getting ready to collapse soon and end this stupid war, but I honestly feel like the complacent liberal population is going to allow itself to be subject to at least one more wave of death for no gain whatsoever before they actually start giving a poo poo. I guess I reread what I just typed and don't know if i even believe it, I guess it depends on if the government starts leaning on the people in Kiev or if they manage to round up enough people from elsewhere. How easy is it for people outside Kiev to escape to Russia? Is it naive of me to assume that anyone who was going to probably already has?
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Feb 12, 2024 13:35
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Ardennes posted:The issue is how the war actually ends because the nature of modern warfare just heavily favors the defender and even a rag-tag Ukrainian force in the field can still offer resistance or at least slow an advance and make it painful. It is probably why the Russians are going to continue to pulverize any resistance on the front until there is almost no resistance left and that is still going to take a while. I feel like the war goes until the government surrenders or collapses (then the new government surrenders), Russia won't have to march to Kiev to end the thing. They'll keep throwing bodies at the front until the state fails. Since the current government will never surrender they'll have to be overthrown by the military or the people at some point. I don't think Russia will ever have any need to end the thing in a hurry, medium pressure and slow slow advances should do them just fine, especially considering how bad it looks to the people paying billions of dollars for dozens of artillery shells when the colours on the map change in the wrong direction.
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Feb 12, 2024 14:03
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my bony fealty posted:War ends with recognition of this, it's just a matter of when. Question will be if Ukraine keeps shelling the former LPR and DPR afterwards. Well, probably not since they don't have any shells, but I'm sure they would like to. I desperately hope that Russia doesn't fall for a fake settlement and a minsk 3 that'll just get disregarded 6 years down the line. They need a genuine puppet government fully on board with Russian interests in charge of whatever's left over of Ukraine after the war or else this all happens again. Putin's ability to run the russian state and keep things improving and going so well is strangley contradictory to the naivety that he espouses whenever given the chance and the fact that he genuinely seems to take the west at their loving word over and over again, and end up feeling betrayed every time they betray him.
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Feb 12, 2024 14:18
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Jel Shaker posted:i just listened to a recent interview with slavoj sizek and his argument was that it was a good thing that we armed Ukraine at the start of the conflict, because it has led to a stalemate, which potentially means that Ukraine can win the war… Zizek's brain has been melting for years, I don't think ukraine represents a strong decline in that particular thinker's merits. You're right that the western "left" is desperately bankrupt of any worthwhile thinkers on a large scale, I feel like maybe the entire intellectual apparatus of the west has been so prohibitive to any meaningful materialist thought for so long that it was always inevitable that we just run out of people with anything meaningful to say.
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Feb 12, 2024 14:21
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the lovely thing about the zizeks and chomskys of the world is that criticizing capitalism is so astoundingly easy that even an anarchist can do it these guys have both contributed pretty useful ideas to the understanding of modern capitalism and ideology but they're ultimately not capable of actually approaching imperialism and geopolitics and the material world as it actually is, they're still loving chauvinist western pigs i guess that's why they're allowed to do the work at all, the censorship of the liberal empire is extremely strong by virtue of how hard it is to see
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Feb 12, 2024 14:29
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Ardennes posted:Really, they need a situation where Ukraine is not only so chaotic and divided that the frontlines fall apart but there is just no one left who really cares to festung cities beyond some scattered milita and political units. The tricky part is that they continually need to fight set-piece makes like Bakhmut and Avdiivka to keep on sapping manpower. It is why Ukrainian society really does need to be brought to the brink because that is the only thing that is going to stop Kiev from attempting some last ditch Berlin-style defense of where-ever. Yeah it's a depressing thought, I feel like earlier in the war they just surrounded a couple cities and let the soldiers inside just run out of supplies and surrender to sustained light pressure, but I can't remember specifics anymore. Frosted Flake posted:It's weird because as a Yugoslavian, he should know how the game is played If I had the time or brainpower I'd be interested to understand the way that political theory got liberalized and weakened in the post-kruschev years of the USSR. History is so loving big and I only care about the stuff after 1867 and even that is just so much that i'll never fully understand.
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Feb 12, 2024 14:58
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lmao i picked that date because its when capital vol 1 got published but i guess that's not the only thing that happened that year
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Feb 12, 2024 15:07
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That makes sense, I'd like to think that even Kiev could be reunified with Russia and my perception of irreconcilability of the western ukrainians is just a result of my being located on the other side of the world. Such things feel distant now that North Korea finally gave up on reunification but the world is still large.
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Feb 12, 2024 15:10
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It makes sense that there'd be a split between the bandera guys and the USA guys with big Z firing little Z. That guys bio says "Vote Zaluzhnyi 2024" lol
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Feb 12, 2024 16:08
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i don't know much about the new guy, does he also have a weirdly proportioned bandera portrait in his office
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Feb 12, 2024 16:16
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the sino soviet split was a tragedy for mankind, the fall of the ussr is just an extension of the original sin of chauvinist revisionism
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Feb 12, 2024 16:30
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Flournival Dixon posted:the sino soviet split was a tragedy for mankind, the fall of the ussr is just an extension of the original sin of chauvinist revisionism god i cant maintain the loving discipline it was a loving tragedy look at that loving photo of the big dish thing gently caress Flournival Dixon has issued a correction as of 16:32 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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Feb 12, 2024 16:30
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that one was operating on behalf of the working class :(
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Feb 12, 2024 16:37
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maybe he thinks they can conscript people in other countries and send them to ukraine like they've been wanting to do for israel very funny that anyone thinks ukraine still matters to the empire in any real way
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Feb 12, 2024 17:08
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Now that Europe have proven themselves the ultimate cucks I think it's okay to ditch Ukraine and let Europe fall apart and deindustrialize, but also if the empire was serious and lucid they'd be focusing on China. Tuckers right about at least that much lol The funniest thing is that you could easily sell never ending war in Ukraine to the dipshit socdems and anarchists who are at least smart enough to recognize Israel as an openly genocidal project.
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Feb 12, 2024 17:29
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bedpan posted:Deindustrialization also has the recognized benefit of crushing organized industrial labor Yeah it really kills any chance of anyone building anything other than reactionary dipshit states obsessed with ancient grudges or transphobia out of the ruins. Not that I could predict the future of communism worldwide but I feel like there will not be anything of note happening anywhere in Europe in the next fiscal quarter or even the next couple dozen, which is much farther than the modern capitalist states seem willing to consider.
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Feb 12, 2024 17:37
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That makes a great deal of sense, figures that China would have accurately diagnosed the problem decades ahead of time.euphronius posted:why do you think the Soviet party has those weaknesses ? I dunno if it was avoidable or not considering the giant utterly hosed war and circumstances of Europe in the first half of the century and the necessity for strength of the personality running the major Communist power trying to survive the ire of the entire capitalist world but I guess it was an instructive lesson for the successful communists of China and for the unsuccessful ones in the west who get to watch the fall of the empire from the inside (that's us) They could have probably built something better if they had the opportunity, they probably could have built something better if the capitalists had allied with Stalin in the first place against Hitler, they probably could have built something better had lenin lived to 100. History happens I guess, sometimes decades of it all at once. Flournival Dixon has issued a correction as of 18:02 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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Feb 12, 2024 17:57
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A timeline without the sino Soviet split would be one in which the Soviets did not fall to revisionism and internal decay, probably one in which Stalin managed to maintain the strength of the party past his death. China would be much more quickly and strongly developed than they were in reality, and the two powers together would have probably achieved things unthinkable to our present moment. A timeline in which the sino Soviet split does not occur but in which the Soviets still failed probably just leads to the failure of China as well, making it into another India or something. I sometimes think it unwise to think too much about the world that could have happened without the sino Soviet split, there's too much potential for a world that never existed and the intoxicating tragedy of it probably can't be that productive. Flournival Dixon has issued a correction as of 18:17 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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Feb 12, 2024 18:11
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That could also be true lol, makes the sadness a bit less potent
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Feb 12, 2024 18:19
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Frosted Flake posted:Particularly if they hadn't addressed the TRPF by outsourcing to China. They would be both more able to fight that war, and due to the TRPF, would have more reason to. That's actually an extremely convincing point as well, it's easy to forget the degree to which the west dismantled itself at China's unarmed behest.
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Feb 12, 2024 18:25
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why come i cant just comprehend the totality of human economic and political interaction all at once? it would be so much easier!
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Feb 12, 2024 18:31
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guess i better brush up on modern SK before it's ukraine 2 fuckin sick of war
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Feb 12, 2024 18:38
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Boat Stuck posted:Best case is probably today's China would have been achieved around ~2000-2010 or so for both China and the USSR constituent republics. Nice, but not a world changer significantly more than how China is already changing the world in our current timeline. Yeah that's the whole thing! The fact that China built an advanced socialist state on the verge of eclipsing the american empire as the predominant worldwide influence and already past them in terms of standard of living with literally all the major world powers against their entire ideology is a big fuckin deal and if the soviets were on board it they probably could have done it not only faster but with more combined humane support to other nations worldwide and less IMF debt trap evil and genocide and starvation. The idea that NATO would have started WW3 to prevent that is most convincing to me.
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Feb 12, 2024 18:57
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January 6 Survivor posted:the only thing I remember is that one time when it was revealed that a guru had turned the current president (and daughter of a previous dictator/president) into her personal puppet. man learning a whole new mode of capitalist stupidity and insane garbage largely divorced from nazism and overt white supremacy sounds like a daunting task
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Feb 12, 2024 18:59
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Phigs posted:I meant but failed to mention that I meant this in the no Sino-Soviet split universe. No they mean that the west was already offloading all it's production to china like 10 years before the ussr fell in real life, TRPF is strong enough that you don't need end of history to disarm yourself in search of profit
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Feb 12, 2024 19:50
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Unless someone has virus modification technology 30-40 years ahead of everyone else in the world and nobody knows about it you can be pretty sure that COVID was not created by humans from america or china or anywhere else. Doing it undetectable just isn't really a thing. Historical Materialism isn't the only science that matters! e: oh jeez i forgot the covid thread exists, abort abort abort Flournival Dixon has issued a correction as of 23:24 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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Feb 12, 2024 23:19
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I think about that line from The Matrix pretty often actually, even though I know the half dozen or so english speaking marxists in the world at the time had already made some pretty accurate called shots about how the 90s would be remembered before the movie came out. They obviously just used the date as a matter of convenience rather than based on marxist prediction of the future but they lucked into it pretty good. The end of western shipbuilding is also something I think about a lot since ansarallah started policing the red sea, simply because it is a wonderful and hilarious thing to think about.
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Feb 12, 2024 23:41
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Officer Sandvich posted:It has been depressing reading this thread lately. Well optimistically Ukraine is fully reintegrated with Russia and all territory is regained through unification of the people and the state. It could happen in a few years best case scenario. Optimism... might not play out in reality on this one.
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Feb 12, 2024 23:52
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Frosted Flake posted:I like that it seamlessly coexists with that drivel about "Maritime Civilization" "The Atlantic World" etc etc They're so sure that rhetoric can replace ships. I think they really believe that if they say the right words enough times then global power will be restored to the (white) people that think of it as their inherent god given right.
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Feb 12, 2024 23:54
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lmao the smear is that he was trained under a functional military power i guess shame on the post-stalin soviets for producing a man who would fight for nazis, even if it is 30+ years after the end of the socialist state anways I try to avoid credulously posting nonsense i see on twitter as if it means something but i'm sleep deprived and confused, what the hell is this about : https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1756917812801806406 what the gently caress is a 30km long train supposed to even be, is any of this real, his bio just makes it seem like a guy who liked to independently investigate goofy Oryx poo poo and post about how wrong it was
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Feb 13, 2024 01:09
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i want the train to be as long as the border of the state itself all states should be able to build a train that long, in a continuous circuit able to move anything and anyone anywhere else along the edge of the state just to show the power of your own productive force to humanity and god and whoever else may see
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Feb 13, 2024 01:12
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I do tend to think that liberals and the failson class doesn't understand that slavery has a lot to do with labour, I feel like they approach it from a cultural perspective of race and superiority rather than one of production
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Feb 13, 2024 01:58
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lmfao that rules
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Feb 16, 2024 02:26
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I find it hard to believe that the
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Feb 16, 2024 04:05
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antipattern posted:Why did the west suck off Navalny so much anyway? Was he some special boy who was going to let the west destroy Russia or something? it always struck me as kind of goofy putin derangement syndrome stuff rather than anything meaningful
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Feb 16, 2024 13:55
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Yeah he kinda seemed like an actual legit dumb racist shithead who for some reason thought it was a good idea to try to grift his way to power as opposition to the guy who likes to poison people or shoot down their planes when they're annoying to him, rather than a 100% obvious american stooge implant like Guaido. I guess i dunno if he was getting checks from the CIA or whatever but it felt like the western obsession on him was just manufactured over the desperation at having someone in power other than Putin.
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Feb 16, 2024 14:15
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