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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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They did rename a fictional cowboy.

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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I think you might have read a little too into Diablo Immortal because there's no indication that the CoD machine is stopping, and Activision has such a fruitful non video game portfolio such as...the Warcraft movie? Overwatch trailers?

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Bucnasti posted:

There's an AI art thread, go see the insane stuff they're creating over there with the latest versions.

IDon'tThinkIWill.jpg

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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The fingers thing is ultimately irrelevant because AI art becoming technically better doesn't change why people dislike it. Thinking that it'll be accepted once it reaches a certain quality level kinda exposes that you don't really "get" art.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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njsykora posted:

I don't expect THQ's corpse to own a load of stuff for much longer to be honest given that leaning on The Lord of the Rings as a top tier videogame franchise probably isn't going to work out.

Wait, that's why the Gollum game exists?

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Keep in mind Korean internet uses "radical feminist/radfem" to mean "extreme feminist", there isn't any proof of the artist being transphobic (and lbr there's no way virulent misogynists are actually anti-transphobia) or misandrist.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Rockstar actually did skimp on Arthur Morgan's dangly bits.



But I think there's a difference between, like, modeling Alyx's cervix and acknowledging genitals exist. People have genitals and have sex. They can just exist and not be weird.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Kith posted:

Well, Fallout 4 just had a mod posted on the Nexus that's basically "I replaced every black person with a white person". Paragraphs of justifying "historical accuracy" and even broke out the census graphs. We'll see if Nexusmods dealing with it makes the news again.

This is pretty laughable and I don't want to be the thread police, but is this really an industry thing or more for the lovely/Awesome Mods thread?

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Nutting Associates is quite a name.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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8chan is the QAnon/school shooter one, 2chan is the Japanese one.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Endorph posted:

Its the opposite. They wany to do this to milk f2p games even more.

As a random example of a big unity game, last month genshin got *4 million downloads* on *mobile alone*. Probably 5 million if you include pc and ps4/5.

Games with no entry fee build up downloads like crazy.

poo poo the Mihoyo games use Unity? Then yeah this is totally a case of trying to hold the big games hostage at the expense of indie and smaller developers. Kinda like what Adobe does with their products (though even Adobe just charges an exorbitant subscription fee instead of all this).

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Aren't Twitch view numbers actually counted rather strictly (because it's Twitch who actually has to pay the streamers)? Like, Twitter is definitely making up view numbers (there's no way a tweet with a few thousand likes has half a million views) but no one gives a poo poo about Twitter views.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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The point of the crab bucket analogy is that it's an underprivileged group that resents successful members, I can kind of see what you're getting at because the crabs blame each other instead of the real bad guy, but it is universally agreed that the CEO is the bad guy in this situation. Doomerism is the word you're looking for.

mycot fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Sep 15, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I definitely remember a very racist bent to the conversation where Tencent, the Chinese government, and Chinese people were all conflated with each other, but I suppose those are just people who would always be racist.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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There's also the really cringey Riot versus Blizzard angle to the Tencent discussion that doesn't warrant a detailed dismantling in this thread.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Guess what genre the gameplay of the Sex with Hitler series is before you mouse over the answer: twinstick topdown shooter

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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thebardyspoon posted:

I assume "couldn't exit" meant "were unable to because they couldn't figure it out" rather "it was literally impossible because our game is broken", maybe giving the dev too much credit but there is a demo out of the tutorial I believe and it sounds like it works there. Honestly actually playing the game sounds like more than I gathered Valve actually did in terms of testing new games.

If they were just playing the game wrong surely they could just give them the answer instead of telling them to open console commands? Is this what PC gaming does to a mfer?

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I think Endorph's argument is that there's this weird grey area where completely pornagraphic and fetishy games are okay, but games that try to broach the same subject matter in a more careful and nuanced way (even if they fail and it's bad) get bopped. But even if you take the dev's version of events, it seems that Valve is only having a semantic issue than a content/moral one.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I'm getting deja vu, I could have sworn that Brianna Wu already did something problematic (I think transphobia again) and was already known as a scummy person, it just didn't make waves because she's basically irrelevant

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Feels Villeneuve posted:

honestly, I really never understood how she got any notoriety at all.

I thought she was either the original "female developer who hosed a game reviewer for good press" or one people of the accused of being one.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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RPATDO_LAMD posted:

that was zoe quinn, creator of depression quest.

as far as i can tell brianna wu was originally just some twitter nobody who said "gamergate bad" and somehow that went viral in a bad way and lead to the frothing hordes hyperfocusing on her and sending rape and death threats for years

Ah, right, thanks. Come to think of it if I'm getting them mixed up then the gossip I saw was probably about Quinn as well :sweatdrop:

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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The usual crowd that appears to fall on the sword for every #cancelled microcelebrity is out for this Brianna Wu thing and I feel like I'm going insane or just getting old. "Everyone is in a hideously toxic group chat" and "if you're not undersocialized and chronically online you would know that this is just how friends talk to each other"...is everyone just the Joker?

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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There is a longstanding rumor that Wu is trans, which has extremely politically incorrect origins from the gamergate days but is widely accepted as true among both cis and trans people I've noticed. It doesn't really matter in this case, because even a transwoman saying those things about other transwomen is completely vile, but just saying it is a little thorny to go after her appearance.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Does Steam really have a monopoly? There's nothing stopping you from putting your games on GOG or Itch.io, people just want their games on Steam because of the visibility and the services.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I can't imagine any of the AAA developers would allow their games to be sold dramatically below market price on any storefront

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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RPATDO_LAMD posted:

Steam take a 30% cut. If a game is $60 on steam, the publisher could sell for $48 on EGS (which takes only 12%) and get the exact same revenue. Hell they could sell for $55 if they don't want to feel like they're "cheapening" the game and they'd make $6 extra per copy.

Unless you hate money though why wouldn't you just sell the game on Epic for $60 and pocket the extra money. Which is what happens in practice.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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People joke that the only reason why people initially put up with Steam was to play Half Life but this goes back to how Epic doesn't actually have any real exclusives other than Fortnite.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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gently caress SNEEP posted:

Every exclusive game I've purchased on EGS I've regretted once it went to Steam later.

Same. I bought No Straight Roads near release and not only did it release a Definitive Edition on Steam, none of the updates were backported to the Epic version :negative:

mycot fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Sep 29, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Isn't it sort of silly that Steam should make the user experience worse (by just not having a mod platform or manager) because it's unfair to other stores that don't have those things?

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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The thing is most Epic exclusives like the Kingdom Hearts compilation and Final Fantasy remake would exist without Epic money, which just adds to the public resentment. Maybe the smaller games like Darkest Dungeon 2 would have been pared down without that money, but from the customer's POV they just made something slightly more inconvenient for no gain.

mycot fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Sep 29, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I think the Hades method of having Early Access exclusivity on Epic and the full release on Steam/multiplatform is definitely the smartest from an indie dev's perspective, but it doesn't help Epic's case because now there's an association with EGS having the incomplete versions of games.

Actually the closest I can think of is Apple Arcade, where a lot of the "exclusives" are actually the worst on their platform.

e. I agree in this case it's not really Epic's or Apple's fault, it is on the developer's for selling unfinished versions of their game, but the results are the same.

mycot fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Sep 29, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Another aspect that is hard to remember is that nobody took digital sales seriously at the time, at most it was considered a side hustle in addition to physical box sales. I think some companies didn't even track them.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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If you wrote the Team Fortress 2 Meet the Team vids you deserve 11 million dollars in perpetuity

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Yeah they're not making games F2P out of the goodness of their hearts. Whale Theory is important because it explains why it's objectively the most logical thing to bait whales instead of trying to cultivate a bunch of modest spenders, who don't even really exist because the majority of people are either leeches or whales.

That's why the prices in these things are always immediately unreasonable, it's not for the people to whom it's out of reach.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Stux posted:

also i like the assumption that 100% of whales are extremely rich people and none of them are just ppl willing to use life ruining amounts of credit lol

"out of reach" is the wrong phrasing, more "if you're completely discouraged by this kind of price tag you've been filtered".

Endorph posted:

eh, kind of. most of these things have some sort of low-spending option that gives you a relatively high amount of return for a small fee. like the 5 dollar thing in genshin that gives you 30 bucks worth of roll currency as you log in every day for a month. ofc the prices they set on these things are arbitrary so 'high return' isnt the right wording exactly, but you get the idea. high return, within the system they've built. the intent there is to get people to spend once, because once they've spent once they're much more likely to spend again. thats also why that stuff is always set up as battle passes or daily login or w/e. besides getting people to log in every day meaning they build more attachment to the game, it also means that they can't get all that currency at once with a single purchase, which means if they want a bunch at once for some new thing those arent an option, despite being the best 'value' (heavy quotation marks) for your cash.

As soon as you step outside the obligatory frugal options though, it ramps up. It's hard to calculate because it all goes through their funny money but buying a 10 roll in Genshin Impact is around 35 USD.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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koolkal posted:

The prices on these things are pretty low though? I'm not an expert on these games but they are generally still microtransactions of $10 or less for a roll and they offer bundles of them (best value!) at higher price points. The way they ramp up the income on whales is by making the chance of getting the rarest stuff really low so you need to buy 10000 of these $10 transactions.

The low price point is just another form of exploitation. They could just as easily offer a 6* waifu for $100000 without all the rolls or lootboxes or whatever but they choose to market the $10 roll instead while showing you can totally get this 6*.

The major console makers only added a requirement for disclosure of odds a few years ago and that's when the US Congress and other major governments were getting involved.

It's not $10 though! For real gacha games like Granblue or Genshin buying 10 rolls is $30-50 dollars. Yes that's the absolute panic button option and there are cheaper and slower ways of getting characters, but the whale option is not a good deal at all and by design.

mycot fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Oct 5, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I already thought The Wolf Among Us 2 was a bad idea because the comics are supposed to get extremely stupid and having to stick to Canon was probably going to be limiting past the initial idea of "fairy tales as an immigrant community in New York". I had no idea there was a Telltale Expanse game :psyduck:

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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There was someone in the Genshin Impact thread whose very young nephew used stolen credit cards to spend $500+ in the game. Their excuse was that they thought the game glitched out and was letting them roll even though they had no currency. While funny because the kid 100% knew what he was doing and got away with it, it's a little worrying in the grand scheme of things.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Inspector Gesicht posted:

I think the Infinite Dante is a guy who owes me money, but there's a chance he's already been found dead in an alley somewhere.



One underreported detail is that even though Capcom made a big public show of fixing the models, the ingame menus all still used the original models. So you still got really rough looking Dante at character select.



And lord help you if you played one of the characters nobody really cares about like Chris or Spencer.

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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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ImpAtom posted:

I mean the second KH game had Chicken loving Little.

It's really funny that Chicken Little is in Kingdom Hearts 2 but it wouldn't have been considered an obscure film at the time, it was the newest movie featured in the game and was basically the beginning of Disney's push for CGI films. This isn't really disagreeing with the greater point that there hasn't really been a change in how the Disney material is approached, though.

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