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Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Quixzlizx posted:

I wonder if those are similar to the people who say that Gaddafi was about to destroy America forever with a new oil-purchasing reserve currency and that's why he was taken out, putting aside that the UK/France were the ones who wanted to intervene, not Obama.

Besides, Paul Krugman has written a number of columns about how being a reserve currency is largely irrelevant to the economy as a whole. If the US$ stopped being a reserve currency no one would really notice.

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Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Nix Panicus posted:

Does Ukraine have enough experience in urban pacification to maintain military control of the Crimean population if they do an invasion? Actually taking Russian territory is going to be a new challenge

It's not Russian territory.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Apparently, there's a scoop from the Times that UAF had a failed amphibious assault to free ZNPP in last October. This sounds reckless as gently caress. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/04/8/7397000/

I recall a report of the Russians getting ridiculed for claiming that they'd driven off an attempted amphibious assault at ZNPP. Their claimed target was a concrete pier or something.

Fake edit: Found it. Dated September 14, so not the same event.

I wonder if Ukraine tried it specifically because of the fake one earlier.

ETA: Here's another one, dated October 12. Maybe that is an accurate one.

Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 8, 2023

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Paracausal posted:

Vice now reporting that the tranche of classified docs had some homebrew dnd material thrown in as well
https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1645482243056615426?t=PavCMg_xxBtQwbP1vP9Sew&s=19

That's not D&D stats or class. Obviously a related TTRPG, though.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Willo567 posted:

I guess I'm confused because the Economist piece confirmed that the leak was authentic and that the author talked to officials who said it was serious and damaginf, but at the same time the UK Defense Ministry is calling the leaks seriously inaccurate.


https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1645817692148883456

That's also deliberate disinformation, to get people to wonder what parts are inaccurate and not trust any of it - possibly reducing some of its impact.

Intelligence agencies in damage control mode tend to spout a lot of contradictory bullshit in order to confuse the issue.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Nothingtoseehere posted:

We probably won't know a counteroffensive has "happened" until it's successfully.

No one wants to highlight a unsuccessful offensive, so I'm sure there's been plenty of fighting or potential "counteroffensives" which just haven't gone anywhere so there's nothing to promote.

Troop buildups and increased fire will be obvious from satellite photos. There will also be on-the-ground reports from journalists. They're not going to be able to hide an attempted offensive. We'll know about it whether it's successful or not.

The Russians ran a major offensive in the winter that accomplished almost nothing. We certainly know they tried.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1650313944697917440

Apparently, the Ukrainians are using naval drones on Sevastopol again.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Nitrox posted:

Please remember that those are Ukr MOD report numbers, and are not, and never have been, backed up by any kind of proof.

They've proved to be generally accurate for a long time. It's a war, no one has precise numbers. They're as good an estimate as anybody else's and a consistent benchmark.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Popete posted:

That would at best be disingenuous.

Really all those numbers are outlandish.

Oryx includes drones and has confirmed nearly 400. Given the lifetime of drones at the front and the difficulty in confirmation of them, 600 is not outlandish.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://twitter.com/lunchbox997/status/1650952334057566209

Remote-controlled machine gun controlled by a Steam Deck.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Shes Not Impressed posted:

An update on casualties from White House National Security Council:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1653095034739122178?s=20

Also seeing more buzz about counteroffensives on Twitter today, including some attacks in Bakhmut that pushed Russians back.
Still just localized skirmishes, I think.

Here's an article Dana Lewis penned:
https://danalewis.substack.com/p/ukraine-counter-offensive?utm_source=direct&r=dvjpc&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Tl;dr: We're still waiting and seeing, but Lewis thinks Ukraine won't try to get bogged down in the urban environments, but try to cut off Russians from resupply with a longer view of defeating Russia. Of course, the pressure is on to have success with all the new western equipment.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1653093755774181377

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Right but if half the deaths are Wagner then half the casualties should be wagner too.

10k deaths should mean at least 30-40k total casualties. And that's twice the size of wagner.

They cycled a lot of guys through. The total number may have stayed roughly constant, but they're different guys.

If you take 1,000 casualties a day and also add 1,000 recruits a day, in 100 days you'll have 100,000 casualties without raising your total number of soldiers.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Willo567 posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1654500316883058689
Is this a sign that Russia is going to be retreating, or is it too early to tell?

It's a sign that Russia intends to level every building they can find so advancing Ukrainians have no cover.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

cr0y posted:

I know absolutely nothing but from what I've learned from you guys over the past year or so the US/EU stationing NATO bodies and assets in Ukraine as a trip wire defense seems really unlikely and would be seen from Russia as a giant escalation.

I could see it as a result of a treaty allowing US bases in Ukraine, independent of NATO, like with South Korea or Japan. At that point, there wouldn't be much Russia could do about it.

I think the probability of such a treaty is fairly low, but if Ukraine formally requests it, it would be hard for the US to say no.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

If Ukraine pushes out Russia, why wouldn’t Ukraine join NATO? With Russia’s track record of invading whenever they feel like it, it kinda seems like their only way to guarantee they won’t get invaded in *rolls dice* 12 years.

Joining NATO isn't going to happen overnight. Accession may take a decade or more once the war is over. Ukraine may want some sort of security guarantor in the interim.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

OddObserver posted:

How did World War II end again? There are plenty of practical problems with operating in Russian territory, yes, but saying that the defender should constrain themselves from acting in attackers territory is absurd.

I would be amused if Ukraine invaded Russia, but only as a means of bypassing Russian defenses in Luhansk.

"Sorry, we'll only be a minute. Just passing through."

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1657348563020443648

Switzerland finally pulling its head out of its rear end, apparently.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Willo567 posted:

I'm saying it may be better to be optimistic, but also to be realistic. I already said I understand why he does it though

It's not his job to be realistic in public.

Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 22:38 on May 14, 2023

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

spankmeister posted:

Here's Prigozhin claiming victory. And he can't help himself not having a little of his signature rants.

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1659906652139601921?s=46&t=pGijfoEOWYcqmIkKtMflTw

Congratulations. Now you get to repeat the effort for every populated settlement in Ukraine. I'm sure you're up to it!

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

KingColliwog posted:

Yeah same. I'm also not a native english speaker and to me purple and violet mean the same thing. Except violet might be a slightly paler shade of purple

They have different Pantone codes, so they are technically different colors if you're really into it. For casual use, they are interchangeable.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Moon Slayer posted:

Not only is America training Ukrainian pilots on B-52s and letting someone snap a picture from right next to the formation, they've already gone ahead and painted the Ukrainian flag on the vertical stabilizer!

Their previous two videos were "The US Is Secretly Delivering Dozens of A-10 Super Warthog Aircraft to Ukraine" and "Russia Outraged: Dozens of Ukrainian Pilots Successfully Bring Home F-16s from US Bases."

They claim to be based in the US while they write their description in broken English. Completely legitimate channel.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

fatherboxx posted:

Border in Belgorod is swiss cheese but I can't see RVC repeating Strelkov's success since their incursions are brief and they are not in the position to take over whole towns (especially with a very hostile population).

I don't think they actually intend to hold much land for very long. Their purposes are to 1) show people that Putin actually can't protect them and 2) they don't have to put up with Putin if they don't want to.

Those ideas aren't going to take root instantly, but will eventually. Russia will seem very solid and united until suddenly it isn't. It's going to be a while before it happens.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

fatherboxx posted:

This has been a strategy for Russian army since february 2022, especially in Kharkiv - constant shelling and rolling around small unprotected towns in hope that people greet the liberators.
How is that plan going? Why would that succeed with Russia?

I said it's not going to happen immediately. No one is expecting Belgorod Oblast to rise up tomorrow. Combined with the rising discontent in the country over conscription and war dead, and sanctions deprivations, it's going to add up until people have had enough.

If Putin can figure out a way to release the pressure safely before it blows, more power to him.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://twitter.com/warinukraineua/status/1665897532419981315

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1665904696429518849

So Russia just destroyed the water supply for Crimea. That's not something you do if you intend to keep it.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

the holy poopacy posted:

If Ukraine recaptured the dam or any part of the canal the water was going to be cut anyhow. Crimea does have its own potable water, the canal was cut off 2014-2022, so it's not like they just cut off their drinking water supply--the canal is just for large scale industry & agriculture.

I'm aware of that. My point was that cutting it off is not something you do if you're confident you're going to hold off the Ukrainian offensive and stay there for a long time. The intent of this is to wreak maximum havoc that will be Ukraine's problem to clean up.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Tomn posted:

Blowing up your own dams as a defensive measure is something that's been practiced ever since dams were a thing - it's a long-standing tradition in China for instance from ancient times straight through to WW2 when Chiang Kai Shek flooded the Yellow River to stop the Japanese. The Dutch also made extensive use of deliberate flooding in war throughout their history - unsurprising given their geography. It's frequently effective but rarely something you do if you can avoid it given the serious and inevitable long-term consequences and human cost. Generally it's something you resort to when you figure that the consequences of not flooding the dams would be worse.

It does become rather more attractive as a defensive measure if it's not actually YOUR dam you're blowing up and you don't really care that much about the economic consequences.

How much defense are they actually getting from it, though? Ukraine wasn't going to attack across the Dnipro, and blowing the dam won't slow them down if they're going for Melitopol from Zaporizhzhia.

It's just vandalism that Ukraine has to clean up.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1666433131543511040

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

jaete posted:

In NATO & Ukraine news: Nato members may send troops to Ukraine, warns former alliance chief

This idea of an extra speedy NATO membership for Ukraine seems like Clancychat... not sure how seriously to take this assessment

He's talking about after the war is over, as an alternative if NATO won't admit Ukraine directly.

Nobody's going to do anything while the war is still active.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Counteroffensive has three fronts atm:

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1666877259364302878

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

mlmp08 posted:

I think that is precisely the UAF’s intent.

Yeah, right now they're just grinding on multiple points to see which one will give. There is no preferred point of attack.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Huggybear posted:

And are they mothballed? How hard is it to unmothball a fighter jet. Let alone train a pilot to fly one. And why the intense focus on the F16? Is it just because lots of NATO nations flew them so they are widely available still?

I don't think being old is that much of an issue, the F16 is still a pretty formidable and versatile aircraft. The F4 was around for 40 years in its various iterations in the USAF.

Most countries that have F-16s are in the process of replacing them with F-35s, so there's a whole bunch available. Getting them to Ukraine and getting pilots trained will take a while. I wouldn't expect to see any before the fall, maybe not until next year.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Saladman posted:

The BBC is reporting that Wagner is being taken over by the Russian military;

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65871232

We’ll see what happens but that’s a huge development. I wonder if Prigozhen is checking the safety railing on his home and office balconies.

Too bad Wagner got itself ground to dust in Bakhmut or they'd be in a position to do something about it. Or perhaps that was the point of grinding them to dust.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

buglord posted:

So probably a dumb question in light of the past 5 pages, but are we past the “shaping operations” phase and into the counteroffensive now? Would Perun & Anders Puck Nielsen call this the counteroffensive?

I think they're technically still in the "find a weak spot" phase but maybe they've found one.

It's all part of the counteroffensive, either way.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1667950468159492104

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1668049097012441095

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Turkey has extracted its pound of flesh:

Sweden To Extradite Self-proclaimed PKK Supporter To Turkey

quote:

Sweden on Monday agreed to extradite to Turkey a man convicted of drug trafficking who also supported the pro-Kurdish PKK, a first since Stockholm's NATO bid was stalled by Ankara.

Turkey has accused Sweden of being a haven for "terrorists," especially members of the the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party, a group blacklisted by Ankara, and has asked Stockholm to return dozens of people.

Turkey wants Sweden to crack down on extremist groups and send back dozens of suspects Ankara believes are linked to a failed 2016 coup and a decades-long Kurdish fight for an independent state.

The Swedish government has decided to "grant an extradition from Sweden regarding a 35-year-old Turkish citizen," justice ministry official Ashraf Ahmed told AFP.

The decision comes after the Supreme Court in May cleared his repatriation to Turkey, where he is expected to serve out a drug trafficking sentence.

Sweden's foreign ministry said officials from the two countries are due to meet on Wednesday to discuss Sweden's stalled NATO application.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

khwarezm posted:

Ok, so I'm sorry to be a bit of a downer, but it seems like a distinct possibility that the offensive probably won't gain the results that have been hoped. If it does stall out what kind of political effects could have on the war? A loss of interest from western parties in funding it? Putin trying to snatch a win of sorts if the war turns into a stalemate that can't be reasonably broken by either side at this point?

All that would depend entirely on how it failed and why. None of that could be answered now.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Ukrainian drone carries supplies to a few families stranded on a flooded area in Kardashynka

https://twitter.com/EjShahid/status/1669049383994679317

:3:

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://twitter.com/CarlaBabbVOA/status/1669326675249700864

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Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Tigey posted:

I'm probably overthinking this, but this Hungary/Ukraine POW affair smells of some kind of schenanigans.

Like some kind of attempt by Russia to hand Orban a foreign policy 'victory' (albeit a small and very cheap one from their perspective) as a reward for his wise level-headed and sensible peacemongering.

Or some kind of attempt to drive Hungary further away from Ukraine/the EU, as Ukraine will probably not be obsequesious enough in its 'gratitude' for this charade, therefore providing Hungary more propaganda material to use for its domestic media, further entrenching their anti-Ukraine/pro-Russia position.

What I read is that they are from western Ukraine (Transcarpathia), which Russia is pretending is actually Hungary since Ukraine doesn't actually exist.

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