|
DarkCrawler posted:I've just never understood why the PRC has such a problem with independent Taiwan, as in the state being called "Taiwan" without "China" written anywhere in the laws or the constitution or the declaration of independence or whatever. If they have a hard-on for "One China", then let them have exactly that? I just find it ridicolous that we have this developed, populated and rich first world state that nobody recognizes officially. It seems like the opposite position would be more feasible for a final settlement of the issue though: for Taiwan to accede to being part of the PRC's One China in name, but not in deed, like some kind of Super-SAR.
|
#
¿
Feb 16, 2012 01:27
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 17, 2024 23:16 |
|
|
Farecoal posted:They tried to keep him from gaining power, by bombing the poo poo out of Cambodia during the Vietnam War and killing roughly 400,000 civilians. Why would they support someone they considered a communist? Like a bizarro-Kerry, we were against Pol Pot before we were for him, when the Khmer Rouge was the opposition to the Vietnamese-installed People's Republic of Kampuchea.
|
|
#
¿
Mar 25, 2012 01:44
|
|
|
Pro-PRC Laowai posted:How about a foreign government-backed NGO taking it upon itself to free "terror" suspects and stash them away in foreign embassies? He does have a point that it is naive to expect the U.S. to interfere with Chinese domestic politics, be they "good" or "bad", in the name of "human rights", especially if it would interfere with U.S. interests. The only relevance "human rights" might have would be as propaganda for the U.S. to justify helping Chen if it did in fact serve their interests.
|
|
#
¿
May 3, 2012 18:31
|
|
|
BrotherAdso posted:Human rights may be an area where the US is hypocritical (you won't find me excusing Manning's detention or black sites or youth prisons, nor minimizing their evil), but that doesn't disqualify us from pointing our forcefully to China the desperately abusive state of their political system. Nor does it mean the US Embassy should force out asylum-seekers who might be politically inconvenient -- and if Chen was lured from the embassy by a trick, then they should pursue him and protect him as they would any asylum-seeker. To put it in a less cynical manner, the primary purpose of an embassy (besides intelligence-gathering) is to conduct diplomacy, and interfering in purely domestic Chinese politics is hardly diplomatic.
|
|
#
¿
May 3, 2012 20:05
|
|
|
Ronald Spiers posted:Again, who are these Koreans that make nationalist claims? And what do they claim that is so grandiose? Any John Doe or Hong Gildong can make a claim, it doesn't mean it is officially accepted by the government or education system or by the general population. You are being way too general. I know Koreans like to talk about their four seasons and their alphabet. But what other claims that you deem is weird? Do Koreans just bring out their national achievements out of the ether when you have conversations with them? I know that at least one Korean cable station (OnGameNet) would at times have their station watermark change to say "DOKDO IS KOREAN TERRITORY".
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2012 20:42
|
|
|
SirKibbles posted:Of course the West didn't respond Georgia started that poo poo doesn't make good propaganda this would be totally different however I don't think of either side as being in the right or wrong as much as I'm astonished at how Saakashvili could have been so monumentally stupid as to think that the West would seriously have considered backing him against Russia.
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2012 00:32
|
|
|
Ronald Spiers posted:I remember Mao stating that "women hold up half the sky." That's not nearly as hilarious as the actual transcripts: Chairman Mao: The trade between our two countries at present is very pitiful. It is gradually increasing. You know China is a very poor country. We don’t have much. What we have in excess is women. (Laughter) Dr. Kissinger: There are no quotas for those or tariffs. Chairman Mao: So if you want them we can give a few of those to you, some tens of thousands. (Laughter) Prime Minister Chou: Of course, on a voluntary basis. Chairmain Mao: Let them go to your place. They will create disasters. That way you can lessen our burdens. (Laughter) [...] Chairman Mao: Do you want our Chinese women? We can give you ten million. (Laughter, particularly among the women.) Dr. Kissinger: The Chairman is improving his offer. Chairman Mao: By doing so we can let them flood your country with disaster and therefore impair your interests. In our country we have too many women, and they have a way of doing things. They give birth to children and our children are too many. (Laughter) Dr. Kissinger: It is such a novel proposition, we will have to study it. Chairman Mao: You can set up a committee to study the issue. That is how your visit to China is settling the population question. (Laughter) Dr. Kissinger: We will study utilization and allocation. Chairman Mao: If we ask them to go I think they would be willing. Prime Minister Chou: Not necessarily. Chairman Mao: That’s because of their feudal ideas, big nation chauvinism. Dr. Kissinger: We are certainly willing to receive them. [...] Mao: You know, the Chinese have a scheme to harm the United States, that is, to send ten million women to the United States and impair its interests by increasing its population. Kissinger: The chairman has fixed the idea so much in my mind that I’ll certainly use it at my next press conference. (Laughter)
|
|
#
¿
Jun 4, 2012 11:09
|
|
|
QuoProQuid posted:In light of the public resignation and subsequent imprisonment of a Chinese Catholic bishop, I was wondering if anyone could explain the relationship between the Vatican and various Christian denominations, with particular focus on Catholicism. From what I understand, the Chinese government has set up a state Catholic Church that rejects the supremacy of the Pope, while the Vatican has an underground Church which supports pro-democracy movements in the country. There has been a bit of rapprochement between the Catholic Church and Chinese state Catholicism in recent years: while the PRC and the Church both claim they are the sole authority over who appoints bishops in China, the Church has been "re-"appointing those bishops appointed by China in parallel so that Rome and Beijing agree on who all are bishops. This is probably what emboldened the bishop in the article you posted, though whether or not he expected to be arrested or thought it would strengthen Rome's influence in China isn't clear. The Atlantic had a good article on it a few years ago (though it's probably a bit dated now): http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/07/keeping-faith/5990/
|
|
#
¿
Jul 11, 2012 04:08
|
|
|
computer parts posted:My friend is from Shandong and she now lives in Xiamen, and the main reason was (paraphrased) "the air is really lovely back home". That's not in the same spirit as other hometown griping/bragging because it's the sort of thing a scientist can objectively measure though.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 2, 2015 06:36
|
|
|
Smiling Knight posted:I mean, best case scenario is probably Mao chokes on a dumpling in 1950 and you get slow, steady Soviet-style economic growth for the next few decades while avoiding the GLF and CR. More and more I am convinced that Mao was both the world's greatest revolutionary and most destructive leader--each of them an improbable feat, and combined seemingly impossible.
|
|
#
¿
Sep 7, 2015 23:45
|
|
|
Baronjutter posted:Russia is just Canada was a ton of nukes, very similar GDP and both are failed petro states now. Can't wait for the Russo-Canadian Arctic oil wars!
|
|
#
¿
Sep 12, 2015 01:55
|
|
|
So does the Warsaw Pact still exist, or did it never exist? You're gonna have to be clear on your alt history here. I mean, by your crazy definition, I suppose "willpower" is that hallmark of a global power, and while this is pretty crazy from a normal perspective, you don't get to present a warped perspective and then judge it by normal standards and pretend you've proved anything.
eSports Chaebol fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Sep 12, 2015 |
|
#
¿
Sep 12, 2015 23:10
|
|
|
Pharohman777 posted:Captain Obvious, can you stop being so blatantly racist regarding Uyghurs? I mean, do you not deny the African-American genocide? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
¿
Oct 20, 2021 02:30
|
|
|
Alchenar posted:I love (well not really) how there's a string of three posts how this widespread behaviour by the CCP is apparently the thread being racist and credulous, but with absolutely no counter-narrative or sourcing. Just tankies yelling at clouds and making GBS threads up the thread. How is one supposed to disprove unsourced anecdotes? e: even if one quoted a variety of Chinese ex-pats countering the narrative, would that be taken as a counternarrative, or just more proof of how insidious the CCP is that no one is allowed to speak the truth? eSports Chaebol fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Oct 31, 2021 |
|
#
¿
Oct 31, 2021 01:04
|
|
|
Raenir Salazar posted:letter to Atlantia I think provides important context. Perhaps the countries should take responsibility when they start the war! I’d argue America and the Soviets essentially started the Korean War together, but even aside from that, you have plenty of other examples like Vietnam and Panama and Afghanistan and Iraq where the U.S. was unequivocally the aggressor
|
|
#
¿
Nov 2, 2021 01:14
|
|
|
CommieGIR posted:And McCarthyism ended up falling apart after being called out for the sham that it was. And the U.S. is arguably not as "strong" or "confident" as it was. But I think "robust" is the key here. . . the U.S. has cultivated a media ecosystem where open debate is tolerated, but the government has sufficient domestic soft power to limit how dangerous the debate is. For example, when the Bush administration unilaterally decided to make it a debate over whether waterboarding is torture---anyone was allowed to question the party line, but no reputable source could claim that there weren't two sides. I used to assume that this was the direction China would be heading in down the line, but they've made it clear that they are able to forge their own path distinct from liberalism and other socialist governments economically, and it certainly seems that will be the case with media. In some ways it already is: as threatening as it is to be invited to tea with the police because you post on twitter, it's certainly a different experience from being caught with samizdat in the Soviet Union.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 13, 2021 03:29
|
|
|
For me the point is not that "Oh, the U.S. does it too" in a tu quoque sense, but rather that "free speech" as an absolute has not existed anywhere, and "reasonable" carve-outs are often rationalizations, such as how "You can't shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theater" means "People can be imprisoned for advocating for pacifism". Creating a binary that China fails to adhere to isn't at all useful for understanding anything. The U.S. with the 1st Amendment really did allow speech that was not allowed elsewhere at the time, but it also criminalized harsh dissent very early on. The modern form of robust freedom of speech in America only goes back to 1973. There are people on this forum who were born before then! It is true that sedition laws weren't used as a tool for mass imprisonment, but only employed rarely to make examples of prominent figures . . . but that also roughly tracks with what China is doing today. We can look at the trajectory of freedom of speech in America as a comparison for looking at and predicting it in China. Yes, China doesn't have "free speech" if you have to make a broad generalization but their Constitution says: 民有言论...自由. How true that is is changing over time. The real bright line difference is that the U.S. has never had a tradition of prior restraint, and of course you can't compare the age of pamphleteering to the age of the internet as easily. Also it's a bit hard to compare the era of media consolidation to early America as well. I think in the current future there really is going to be a bit of a bellweather in how much publications such as the South China Morning Post change their tone (though of course the SCMP was already changing its tone a bit before the extradition bill, which one can take as evidence of Party influence absent duress). Also, while Chinese voices on the subject are limited ipso facto when it comes to suppression speech, China isn't some black hole. You can go there and talk to people. Chinese people travel abroad. A significant minority of Chinese netizens use VPNs. There is nothing like the Stasi to go after people for talking frankly about politics over dinner. As it has been in most times and places (though to a higher degree) there are a small number of people who are righteously aggrieved that they cannot promote their ideas without fear of retribution, and a lot of people who are mildly inconvenienced--and probably even more nationalists whose kneejerk reaction is that troublemakers deserve to be punished. At least saying that last bit out loud in America makes you a pariah in a lot of social circles these days. If you go with the perspective that the Chinese government is trying to memoryhole things, they're doing a pretty awful job, because the Orwellian ideal is that the information simply isn't available. I think it makes a lot more sense that Party knows that its tools like ephemeral bans on search terms are just a crude bludgeon, but that a crude and incomplete repression of negative news is more than enough to reduce widespread disaffection. They have a stated goal of promoting harmonious society and they effect policies to achieve that goal. You might (and should!) disagree with the scope of their goal (or even their goal itself) and the policies they use to achieve it, but that's different from just cutting off all analysis because they're bad, and we can therefore attribute whatever bad things we think are bad to them.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 13, 2021 20:17
|
|
|
Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Nothing says "celebrating culture" like removing the domes from the mosques to make them "more Chinese." They're removing domes that were added to mosques in the 1990's (AD). There really is a long history of Islam in China that is distinct from middle eastern culture. Also, were there even domes and minarets added to mosques in Xinjiang? I can't find any information on it: all the stories I can find are about sinicization of mosques in Qinghai, where the Muslim population is almost exclusively Hui, not Uyghur.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 14, 2021 18:27
|
|
|
Cpt_Obvious posted:That's awesome, cuz my real credit score already determines my income, housing, and transportation. What does social credit score even do? What is a good number and what is a bad number? That China is considering adopting dystopian parts of American capitalism is not a great thing, even if they come up with a system that isn't as bad. That said, it seems pretty unlikely that there's going to be any sort of unified social credit score system any time soon in China, so the meme is a bit silly
|
|
#
¿
Nov 14, 2021 18:54
|
|
|
Mr Hootington posted:What does this thread think should have been done about then ongoing radicalization of the uighur population? The government's criteria for re-education was too broad and arbitrary and swept up a lot of people without evidence of extremist tendencies. Clearly there were even Party officials who felt that way, hence the leak.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 14, 2021 19:29
|
|
|
CommieGIR posted:Because its a claim that echoes the same sort of handwaving that is used to wipe away crimes against minorities throughout history. They are not being mistreatad, they are being well cared for! They are being educated, while ignoring that they are there against their will and used to justify pogroms against minority groups to either re-educated them or do worse. Uh, the claim was that their culture was being promoted. I'm not saying that it is entirely unheard of to promote a bastardized version of a culture in order to co-opt it and erase parts of it (which is the real long-term concern in my opinion about what's happening in Xinjjiang), but pogroms? I don't think there were any Tsars who said to respect Jewish culture and who paid for exchange programs for rabbinical students to study abroad in other Jewish communities, all while condoning pogroms.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 14, 2021 19:44
|
|
|
How are u posted:Getting some real Christopher Hitchens vibes from this line of just asking questions. Maybe China should do what every country should do when it comes to radicalization? Become more inclusive, meet people's material needs, embrace diversity, give marginalized communities agency and autonomy. This is actually part of my answer to the question, but it also is already part of China’s answer to the question, especially moving forward now, but I think they should have focused on more carrot and less stick to start.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 14, 2021 22:03
|
|
|
Also it isn’t just a matter of how Islam fits in with China today, because again for example, policies toward the Hui are not the same as toward Uyghurs. But there also isn’t a significant Hui separatist movement. The closest parallel I can think of is Chechnya. It may be as low a bar as there is but I’d sure rather live in Kashgar than Grozny!
|
|
#
¿
Nov 14, 2021 22:08
|
|
|
Somaen posted:What gets me is there will never be enough first hand account evidence of wrongdoing to wake up any empathy for innocent people to consider that my I believed the narrative about the genocide in Xinjiang until I started looking into it and was shocked at the lack of corroborating accounts for the extreme claims being made. China isn’t “my team” and there certainly is no shortage of human rights abuses happening there, but refusing to see things as black and white where the bad guys are automatically doing anything bad ascribed to them, and the only reason to doubt anything is crypto-apologism, is a facile moral philosophy. I mean, Saddam Hussein was terrible and committed heinous acts such as using chemical warfare for collective punishment. That doesn’t mean he was ripping babies out of incubators and throwing them onto the floor, and if I say I think that’s a ludicrous accusation, it doesn’t mean that I’m carrying water for him. It doesn’t mean I lack any empathy for Kuwaitis. And I would have to be deliberately obtuse to ignore that there were reasons a story like that would get play in the U.S. besides a genuine concern for universal human rights. Even the AP has reported about how mass detentions in Xinjiang are winding down. Asking what else China could reasonably have been expected to have done from a realpolitik perspective isn’t defending their actions but acknowledging the reality that they are not going to allow East Turkestan to secede. To turn it around with a different example, talking about which settlements Israel should get to keep in a two-state solution isn’t pro-Apartheid, but a recognition of the reality that there is a limit on what grievances will be addressed and what form reparations for past wrongs can realistically take. China can and should do better, and they should rein in some of their revanchism too, but there’s no scenario in which they support separatism.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 15, 2021 01:20
|
|
|
Herstory Begins Now posted:you should post the ap piece you're referencing there https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9 The piece is still quite critical of China, not exactly apologism, but it is based on an actual journalist visiting Xinjiang
|
|
#
¿
Nov 15, 2021 01:35
|
|
|
Somaen posted:I'm not sure what the "extreme claims" are that have not been corroborated, the genocide deniers dropping in here haven't presented anything substantial besides that they're not ww2 style extermination camps, just rape and torture camps until you denounce Islam, which has been up in media outside of the US, such as these links that I've posted before to Novaya Gazeta which is a famous independent nnewspaper from Russia reporting on human rights for decades where journalists went to talk to Uighur and Kazakh refugees in Kazakhstan speaking of torture, rape and sterilization: Thank you for linking these, I finally got around to reading them. Also probably just straight up linking the project of Gene Bunin to track as many detainees as possible (I'm not quite certain if he's American or Russian but he certainly speaks English) would be good: https://shahit.biz/eng/ Even if one thinks that the program of re-education was initially well-intended, I think it is an inevitable consequence of enacting such a mass program of incarceration that it will be rife for abuse. This doesn't excuse the Party leaders--on the contrary, they certainly know this, and went ahead with it anyway. From one of the articles: Novaya Gazeta posted:People were literally taken from the streets and sent to "re-education centers" for an indefinite period for (and this is the official wording) "for demonstrating a penchant for extremism." The prisoners, according to their stories, are really taught and brought up: the day consists of sleep, food, learning the Chinese language, the laws of the PRC, teaching the simplest specialties (sewing, cooking, haircuts, etc.), physical education and political information. A significant part of the former prisoners of the camps speaks of the use of physical violence against them: sleep deprivation, beatings and additional physical exertion in case of failure to complete tasks. A minority talked about rape, torture,force-feeding with medication and even sterilization. I really do appreciate having links to sources that aren't pushing a broader anti-China narrative.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 16, 2021 04:54
|
|
|
ronya posted:Insofar as international pressure obliges Beijing to keep an eye on what local government is up to in order to minimize embarrassment, that is still a reduction in human misery, so three cheers for that and all Yes, and I think part of my issue is that things like State Department condemnations don’t really matter compared to targeted approaches. From Gene Bunin re: shahit.biz: http://ronininstitute.org/research-scholars/gene-bunin/bunin/ posted:The primary goal of the database is more humanitarian than scholarly, as by documenting the individual victims we seek to spotlight their cases and thereby protect them, while also holding the Chinese authorities responsible for their actions and establishing the foundations for future legal action. However, by methodically tracking the thousands of different cases and their evolution, we also become privy to a number of important trends that are difficult to notice otherwise, given the information vacuum that the authorities have created in Xinjiang and the authorities’ absolute refusal to admit any wrongdoing. For example, some of the trends and phenomena that shahit.biz has helped discover and document have been: As with almost everything in China, pressure on the central government to take a more hands-on approach and leaving less to local authorities is probably the best avenue to improve things on the ground. eSports Chaebol fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Nov 16, 2021 |
|
#
¿
Nov 16, 2021 05:44
|
|
|
How are u posted:That's an abhorrent opinion. Why do you think so? it would be fun to blow up at least, like the Haymarket Memorial
|
|
#
¿
Dec 25, 2021 02:17
|
|
|
MikeC posted:So this is exactly what I am talking about. The Taiwanese populace was willing to follow PHIs. It is clear that the North American and European populations are not willing to comply, or at least a large enough segment that doesn't adhere to the measures to the exacting standards required and it would be political suicide to enact anything further such as mandatory vaccination or extended shutdowns of the economy. I would rather live in a political system where non-compliance exists rather than a police state which would rather weld the doors shut on people inside their own homes in order to enforce PHIs to chase COVID zero. A government that is accountable to no one other than its own party members and whatever internal factional struggles that go on behind the scenes. I genuinely can’t figure out what the idea is here. It sounds like you’re saying that Taiwan enacting strict anti-COVID isn’t authoritarian because the people accept it—but China doing the same thing is bad? Why? Is it because the Chinese people reject it, unlike the Taiwanese, but have no choice but to comply? Is there any evidence of this? It would make sense if you were saying you thought Taiwan’s approach, while strict, was more measured and represented an ideal political system where compliance exists without a police state—but then you go out of your way to reject that in favor a saying it’s an inescapable dichotomy!
|
|
#
¿
Dec 26, 2021 09:01
|
|
|
Cpt_Obvious posted:What is a good social credit score? What is the scale of the system? Is it 1-100? Is 100 the best score you can get while 0 is the worst? Does anyone have an idea as to what the average social credit score is? Is there any evidence that any numerical "score" exists anywhere in China today? All I can find reference to are a series of whitelist/blacklist measures. Maybe for businesses and local governments? For how many Beijingologists there are out there, it's really frustrating how hard it is to find information on China in English
|
|
#
¿
Feb 5, 2022 18:21
|
|
|
Not So Fast posted:China Law Translate has done some excellent translations and tracing of the actual legal documentation around the "social credit" system, and as mentioned it is more like a blacklist / whitelist system and less like a credit score system, focusing on legal violations. That is a cool source, thank you
|
|
#
¿
Feb 5, 2022 18:38
|
|
|
MikeC posted:No one can realistically say with a straight face that the likelihood of Peng posting a clear rape allegation was just a misunderstanding and that there was absolutely zero government involvement in her recantation and subsequent denials of coercion. You’re saying the government is so all-powerful that that can disappear a person who still appears in public because they can control everything that say and everything everyone sees from them, yet Peng Shuai, or her body double, or whatever, has never actually retracted or disavowed her original post. If China is so powerful, why can’t they make her do this?
|
|
#
¿
Feb 9, 2022 05:25
|
|
|
How are u posted:I'd never encountered the idea that the post-revolution Chinese government is some sort of, like, stain on Chinese history. That strikes me as a little hyperbolic. It's not even like the CCP is a departure from pre-revolution China. It's a capitalist society run by a blend of oligarchy and autocracy. That seems pretty much the same as things were before Mao came along. It’s a pretty common view on Internet forums like Reddit and Something Awful
|
|
#
¿
Feb 20, 2022 07:38
|
|
|
true.spoon posted:To some degree I do think that the reason China was blindsided, even after receiving US intelligence, is that the CCP does fundamentally not believe in good faith diplomacy (Russia is similar in that regard). Everything is always seen as a big power game, where you grab as much as you can and to that end you constantly hide your motives to trick the other side (not that the the West never uses such tactics but this is about fundamental assumptions). This is like saying that chopsticks are fundamentally Western eating utensils even though on occasion, some people in East Asia have been known to use them (but they are not normal there)
|
|
#
¿
Mar 3, 2022 03:33
|
|
|
Vincent Van Goatse posted:I don't pretend to know the right way to deal with a COVID outbreak, but I have confidence that what's going on in Shanghai ain't it. It's not that hard to find a good example of a way to deal with a COVID outbraek. In a large city. In southern China. In spring of 2022. Just look at Shenzhen. Shanghai loving up royally should be evidence that they need LESS independence from Beijing, not more.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 28, 2022 01:20
|
|
|
Am I missing something? Have there been mRNA vaccines developed besides the ones by Pfizer and Moderna? Because those might be marginally more effective at reducing serious infection than Sinovac, but they don’t provide sterilizing immunity, or indeed general immunity at all for many. It would be good if they had more of the actually existing mRNA vaccines in China, but it wouldn’t make a structural difference.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 28, 2022 22:44
|
|
|
The U.S. isn’t going to have a military response, but don’t be surprised if there’s a color revolution https://www.solomonstarnews.com/opposition-leader-meets-visiting-us-delegation/ quote:Opposition Leader Hon Wale during the meeting welcomed the delegation to Honiara and for meeting with the Opposition Group.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 30, 2022 22:56
|
|
|
Daduzi posted:Is 27-40% during a regular universal testing regimen? I think the only parts of America that did surveillance testing were a few universities and they all stopped before Omicron
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2022 15:22
|
|
|
Kavros posted:the issue with what's going on is that we cannot confuse strictness of a disease containment policy with effectiveness, and where china has taken zero covid this year is showcasing that issue in abundance. you have to refine policy and adapt it to the realities of what you can do. We cannot confuse strictness with effectiveness because of the example where the city which was less strict than others had a less effective containment than others? I'm struggling to follow the logic here.
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2022 01:00
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 17, 2024 23:16 |
|
|
Tomn posted:Genuinely curious how many examples there are of nations willingly choosing to integrate with another nation due to economic benefits/pressure. Maybe Newfoundland counts? Or Texas? Not really analogous to how modern trade works but also it’s not just a dispassionate choice as much as seeing the proverbial writing on the wall, as it would be in this scenario with Taiwan.
|
|
#
¿
May 28, 2022 02:34
|
|